Julian Carter wrote:slyslayer ... you're back! I haven't seen you in a few millenia! And ... you're from the Philippines!? I always assumed you were an old patriotic American.
I remember you, Mister Carter. Thanks for the warm welcome, and thanks for makin' me laugh. Never knew I'd be mistaken as an old patriotic American.
I've been lurking in this forum for quite a long time already. I don't find much to post.
Oh, we're way off-topic already. All I can say about the third Spidey flick is, "Three Thumbs Down!"
Soooooooo, I saw it last night... (Possibly Spoilers)
I LOVE Spider-Man, and Spider-Man 2 was easily the most satisfying movie theatre experience I've ever had, but I dont know what to make of Spider-Man 3. It was good, but not the greatness of SM2. Mary Jane never explains to Peter she broke up with him because Harry was threatening them. I tried to give Topher Grace the benefit of the doubt, but I just wasnt sold. And when he was Venom, I dont like that it was still his normal voice, he didnt sound menacing enough. And Aunt May, who I believe was a strong force in SM2, wasnt given enough to do here and Jameson also didnt have too much going on here either. Gwen Stacy didnt really bring too much to the table, she was just kinda there. Same thing with Sandman. I think they tried to do too much in this one with three villains. Perhaps they should have just left it at the Goblin and Sandman. I truly think Venom deserves his own movie, and possibly give nods to Carnage in it. Perhaps when I go watch it again, cause I'll probably see this at least another two or three more times, I'll feel differently about it. Doesnt mean you shouldnt go see it, cause you should!!!
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Possible Spoilers ahead for those that didn't see it...
I agree the Mary Jane/Peter relationship wasn't played out very well. Again I bring up the ending to the film here. Pretty bad in my opinion.
Topher's voice coming from Venom was just odd. I was hoping they would change it a little, but they didn't. Also when the symbiote wasn't covering his face, and we saw Eddie's face it just looked bad. The suit looked like rubber in these scenes. They could have CGI'd a few things coming off the suit, or something to make it look better in those scenes. I agree Topher wasn't menacing enough as Venom, and Sandman was underused.
For those that read the novel the battle at the end is better than whats on screen.
I hate they cut the scene where Peter looks into the mirror and his reflection changes to "Venom". That would have been a great scene, why it wasn't in there I have no clue.
Bruce Campbell's part in this movie was great though.
Disney-Fan wrote:
I'll be as blunt as possible on this subject, just because I can't find another way to say it. I just don't care. I want to see quality movies when I buy / rent 'em. Seeing Mulan turned into a pink-cliched princess is not what I have in mind for a quality sequel, regardless of said constraints on the production team.
(And to be perfectly fair, not once have I claimed that the people behind these movies don't try their best. What I have claimed is that the people responsible for them, aka the execs, should be ashamed with the final results. They're the only ones to blame).
Fair enough, but you haven't made a point when you say "critics should be ashamed for expecting Spider-Man 2 Vol. 2", implying each Spider-Man film is in a completely different genre or something and that you need you need to look at it a completely different way in order to make it good. Okay, respectable, but the absolute same thing can be said about the DTVs, which NOBODY involved for most of them were trying to top the original.
Disney-Fan wrote:
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:So why can't Raimi create work as good as it was 6 year ago?
Never said that he can't. But no one on this earth can recreate work from 6 years back and as a result the final product will undoubtedly feel different. Heck, you gave the new Star Wars trilogy as an example. Even with those I felt a clear distinction in 'feel' between each movie of the trilogy. People change, their experiences change, and with that the work they put out to the world will always feel different from their previous attempts. Never said it can't be as good as 6 years ago. That's up to every individual here to judge for himself.
Well, no, but they can still create work to rival it.
I don't think critics are dissing this film because of that fact that they're trying something different, they're dissing it because of what exactly they're trying. Too many villians, not enough character depth, disappointing ending- I still haven't seen it, but quite a few people, even big Spider-Man fans, I've heard agree.
Not too much enthusiasm left for what once was among my most anticipated.
Personally, I think they should have kept it a duology rather than try and shuffle out a third. I mean, no, we don't get much closure for everyone by the conclusion of the second film. But that's what would have made it so great. The fact that it gives a satisfying conclusion, while still having the audience wanting *more*. With the third film, it seems to be split now between "a great trilogy" or "two films followed by a disappointing third".
I'm still willing to give the third a chance, I just hope it doesn't suffer from the X3-isis that many have diagnosed it with already.
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Escapay wrote:I just hope it doesn't suffer from the X3-isis that many have diagnosed it with already.
Escapay
Oh god, dont even get me started on that train wreck.
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Apparently I'm in the minority that not only loved it, but found it to be the best of the trilogy. Now, before you slam me, I don't think the third film is loads better than the second. I think they're about equal, but the third film gets the edge for more innovative action sequences and (for me, at least) the most interesting Peter Parker story. The quality gap here isn't as great as the leap from the first (which I loved, but found kinda hokey and awkward at points) to the second (which is as close to perfection as I could ask).
The biggest concern seems to be about cramming in so many storylines in such a short amount of time. While this could've been potentially problematic, I think the filmmakers handled it all very well. The film didn't feel rushed or short-thrifted in any areas (well, except the very last scene, which felt like an after-thought). I feel way more satisfied with the balancing of multiple threads here than I did with, say, Crash. That film (which I did like overall) felt very slim when you thought about each character arc and plotline. Each mini story, if edited to be self-contained, would be about 10 minutes. The character arcs in Spider-Man 3 seemed to max out their full potential. Sure, Venom could've had more screentime, but the way the film handled him seemed suitable. In order for there to be more Venom, either Peter's "black Spidey" persona would've had to end much earlier, or the third act would've had to be padded. Considering how well-paced I think the film is, either option would've harmed it.
To make this more well-rounded, though, I'll note things I didn't like about the film (CAUTION: SPOILERS):
* Peter re-arranging his hair every time he felt evil was kind of silly. Actually, I wouldn't have minded seeing him with that emo hairdo if we simply cut to him already with it each time. Showing him actually changing it was unnecessary, though. Oh, and as for the infamous Jazz Room scene, this didn't bother me. Raimi was obviously playing this for laughs. Had the intention been otherwise, THEN we'd have a problem.
* Harry's butler suddenly letting on about Norman's death has me mixed. On one hand, it's nice to know that the butler's been awake enough all this time to see what Harry's doing, but on the other, shouldn't he have told him all this, you know, at the end of the first one? I guess I can accept the notion that the butler wanted Harry to hold on to the memory of Norman being a good person, even if it was at Peter's expense. So this really isn't an annoyance with me as it is an oddity.
* Perhaps this would've made matters even more convoluted, but I think Gwen should've been given a role in the climax. After the Jazz Room scene, she just disappears except for a brief appearance at the funeral. Eddie/Venom could've kidnapped her partly as bait for Peter and partly for revenge on Gwen (he probably didn't know the two of them broke up).
* The female news anchor during the climax needed to be cut. Badly. Her commentary was not only superfluous, it was outright cheesy and felt like something from a parody. A guy in my aisle actually laughed out loud when she did her whole, "Oh, no, is this the end of Spider-Man?" routine.
* I would've liked to have known what happened to Flint's daughter. They just left that whole situation open-ended. They could've at least killed her off which, although sad, would at least give some closure to that storyline. In fact, having her die would give Sandman more of a reason to seek revenge on Spidey and would make the final scene between the two of them even more emotional.
All of this are just little nitpicks, though. Overall, I was very impressed with this film. I do think, though, that they should stop here. Things have been wrapped up too much, and in the context of the overall series, it'd be awkward having a 1, 2, and 4 with linear storylines and a 3 that's stuffed with many overlapping ones.
Oh, and am I the only one who actually really liked X-Men: The Last Stand, rushed pacing and all? I do think Spider-Man 3's loads better than that film, but I still enjoyed the last X-Men movie, more than the first, in fact. All it needed was another 20 minutes to expand things.
When Wizard magazine ask Spider-Man fans what villain should come out in Spider-Man 3 tons of votes went in for Vemon. Now people are complaining saying Spider-Man 3 wasn't that good as the first two. Well I think it was better then the second film but not as good as the first. I really like Spider-Man 3 because best friends and forgiving people aren't that common in the real world. It also had Vemon one of my all time favorite Spider-Man villain. I also started to read The Amazing Spider-Man when Vemon debut in the comic books. I do think the movie used Sandman too much. Lamest part is when Peter dance like Saturday Night Fever that was creepy.
I give this movie a B+ since some parts were boring.
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Disneykid wrote:Oh, and am I the only one who actually really liked X-Men: The Last Stand, rushed pacing and all? I do think Spider-Man 3's loads better than that film, but I still enjoyed the last X-Men movie, more than the first, in fact. All it needed was another 20 minutes to expand things.
No your not the only one who actually liked X-Men: The Last Stand... I know xxhplinkxx might eat me for dinner for saying this But I also liked
X-Men the last stand movie.... I liked Spider-man 3 more but I also liked X3 THe Last stand I for sure didnt hate or despise and I never thought it was the worst movie ever..... That title would go to the film the live action BRATZ Movie based on those dolls.... I mean first Transformers the movie and now this??? I intend on seeing Transformers but what's next... Pound Puppies The MOvie???? Oh wait thats been done already..
What's next... Barbie The live action movie with Jessica Simpson as Barbie
Four teenage girls who come from different social and economic backgrounds empower themselves by rejecting their respective high school cliques and band together, calling themselves Bratz.
SpringHeelJack wrote:"Spider-Man 3" was the best musical comedy I've seen in a long time.
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I'll refrain from nominating that for Escapay's WIST series just in case he feels the same way after seeing the film. And, yes, this post is a thinly veiled nomination, but don't tell anyone.
SpringHeelJack wrote:"Spider-Man 3" was the best musical comedy I've seen in a long time.
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I'll refrain from nominating that for Escapay's WIST series just in case he feels the same way after seeing the film. And, yes, this post is a thinly veiled nomination, but don't tell anyone.
Ha, thanks!
In all seriousness, I enjoyed the movie sort of. In a weird campy goofy sort of way, but there was far too much going on. It felt like it should have been split into two movies to cover all the material they set out to cover. I would have like Sandman much more had he gotten more screen time. There was a LOT I felt could have been improved upon, but it was kinda fun in a bad let-down kind of way.
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disneyboy20022 wrote:the worst movie ever..... That title would go to the film the live action BRATZ Movie based on those dolls....Four teenage girls who come from different social and economic backgrounds empower themselves by rejecting their respective high school cliques and band together, calling themselves Bratz.
SpringHeelJack wrote:"Spider-Man 3" was the best musical comedy I've seen in a long time.
Disneykid wrote:The female news anchor during the climax needed to be cut. Badly. Her commentary was not only superfluous, it was outright cheesy and felt like something from a parody. A guy in my aisle actually laughed out loud when she did her whole, "Oh, no, is this the end of Spider-Man?" routine.
Agreed! I was so bothered by her that I had to purposefully refocus myself after her scenes. She was really the biggest reason behind my spotty acting comment. How did that get past all the people who see these movies before they reach the public? She stands out way more than she should in such a small role.
DK - did/do you follow the Spider-Man comics? I've noticed that, at least among my friends, those who did seem to have liked the movie a lot more than those who didn't. I'm wondering if there's something to that of if it's just coincidence.
And no, you're not alone on X3. I actually really liked it, definitely moreso than Spider-Man 3. That said, the more I talk to other people about SM3, the more I really feel I need to go back and see it. I just wish my first viewing of it hadn't been potentially tainted by such a bad theater experience.
MickeyMousePal wrote:When Wizard magazine ask Spider-Man fans what villain should come out in Spider-Man 3 tons of votes went in for Vemon.
Well Wizard Magazine Spider-Man fans are stupid then, because Venom is a stupid, non-entity of a character who should never have existed beyond issue 300 of Amazing Spider-Man.
He has no proper motivation or character, and lets face it, his origin is totally silly in the comics, let alone in the context of a single movie (expecially in a series of movies that have worked hard to give its villains well rounded character and motivations). Venom was 110% the wrong choice of villain for Spider-Man 3.
Spider-Man 3 rocked. Spider-Man 3 in IMAX rocks hard.
I enjoyed this film very much. I agree with what everyone is saying, though. Three villians were too much, and none of them (except Harry) were really given a reason for hurting Spidey.
Being knowledgeable of the comics, I know what is supposed to happen to Gwen (she dies), and was bummed when it didn' happen. To me, it didn't seem like to far a stretch for Eddie to kidnap her and have her fate be a consequence of his own actions.
The whole Suave Spidey was funny for the first two minutes, but they took it too far. I got tired of it. That time could've been used for more villian exposition.
The ending was like WHAT? They just...hold hands?? What kind of closure is that?? I want a Spidey movie where MJ and Peter stay together the whole time with MJ being MJ and Peter being Spidey. And they need to be married. WTF?
I know they won't be making any more (at least in the near future), but I felt like this film could flow into a fourth. When Peter tells May that Spidey killed Sandman, she looks shocked, and in the comics, May is supposed to not like Spidey (she's shocked when she finds out). That could be a driving force of drama (along with perhaps an impending wedding). Throw in a villian, say...Lizard, and we have a fourth film, complete with closure that all the fans want: MJ finally an official Parker, and Aunt May knowing Peter's secret.
I haven't seen you in a few millenia! And ... you're from the Philippines!? I always assumed you were an old patriotic American.
Love It.