Tangled (formerly Rapunzel) Discussion - Part II

[DisneyFan09]

Funnily enough, I don't know who that is, either. Like I said, I don't pay attention to who's popular in music nor do I have an iTunes account. Only last week did I find out what exactly a "Justin Bieber" is.

I didn't knew knew who Justin Bieber was until a couple of months ago. Two years ago, I didnt knew who Demi Lovato or Selena Gomez was neither.

[Barbossa]

I just watched the trailer. Is it just me or was I watching the trailer for Shrek 5?

[BK]

It looks BETTER, and more distinctly Disney, than the animation in those. And it still is somewhat more painting looking/hand-drawn moving.
I think I forgot...we have the same birthday? June 10? Cool. Yes happy birthday to us, lol.

So the animation is very beautiful and better than we have seen CGI before, but...doesn't Rapunzel look kind of bad and kind of...Pixar-ish in that very last shot, with her laughing, with her teeth showing? She looked better in the creepy clipart where we thought her eyes were too big! All in all I wish she looked more like the clipart where she was holding the paintbrush...and I liked Flynn's old design better, too, but other than that, and needing to be more painterly and hand-drawn and less comedic and be called Rapunzel...great!

actually the scene where she laughs bothered me too. In my opinion, her smile and mouth got WAY too big for her other features and in a way got ugly. I'm also beginning to get the impression she's more valley than sass... maybe it's the "like... FOREVER" line, her swinging around the tree, and her goofy laugh, but I thought she'd be more of a smart ass type. Someone who would present a challenge for Flynn. Kinda like a book-smart girl meets a street-smart boy.

Rapunzel looks great.
Pixar-ish isn't bad.
Agree with Rapunzel being more of a smart-ass than a bimbo, that 'BEST DAY EVER' has got to be one of the most idiotic lines ever spoken by a Disney character. Makes it come across so crude, like one of the rip-offs that other studios produce. I mean, seriously, how witless can you get with that line and tone (also swinging around a tree while saying it).

Also, the main character is Rapunzel jpanimation. Hence why it's staying as such in Europe. They wouldn't make a movie about Flynn and call it Rapunzel. That's like if they called Bolt, Penny or Sleeping Beauty, Prince Charming or Tarzan, Jane. You get what I mean.

Still hate the mood of the teaser. Terribly mismarketed, completely unfunny and insults our intelligence (American teaser).

[BK]

what do you guys think of my new signature! LOL Couldn't resist

Terrible considering what you just said your epic Rapunzel trailer would be.

The Dutch trailer is great (well, excluding title cards which might say the same thing as the English one) except for that scene in your signature.

That just ruins the mood and makes Rapunzel a bimbo of a girl rather than a witty sharp-tongued one.

[robster16]

Rapunzel looks great.
Pixar-ish isn't bad.
Agree with Rapunzel being more of a smart-ass than a bimbo, that 'BEST DAY EVER' has got to be one of the most idiotic lines ever spoken by a Disney character. Makes it come across so crude, like one of the rip-offs that other studios produce. I mean, seriously, how witless can you get with that line and tone (also swinging around a tree while saying it).

You have to keep in mind though that Rapunzel has been locked up inside a tower and has been unable to go outside the tower for 18 years. Imagine being locked up inside your house and not being able to go out, put your feet in the grass, walk outside in the rain, feel snow under your feet, get a different view at the world then the one she has from her windows.

If you get out, then it's only logical that you go NUTS and exstatic about the world around you. Just think, she's never even seen a tree from the ground up, always looked down on it from above. Not put yourself in her shoes. She's probably very bright and intelligent and well develloped emotionally, but also has lead a very shielded life so in her first moments outside the tower and interacting with people I suspect that she will be very naieve and unable to handle the common social etiquette. She's probably never seen a man before... Just something to take into considertion when seeing her swing around the tree. Which is think is a GREAT shot! One of the best in the trailer, including the dialogue.

You can kind of compare this moment to the moment when Ariel just got her legs and dresses up in that old sail, posing in it. Or the moment where she takes the pipe and blows through it in Grimsby's face. Naieve moments...

[UmbrellaFish]

You can kind of compare this moment to the moment when Ariel just got her legs and dresses up in that old sail, posing in it. Or the moment where she takes the pipe and blows through it in Grimsby's face. Naieve moments...

That's what I thought, too. Here's two of Ariel's lines that might sound stupid taken out of context-

"Oh my GOSH! My father's gonna kill me!"
"He loves me, he doesn't love me, HE LOVES ME!"

And they happen to be a lot of people's favorite lines from the movie...

And to be honest....

I don't see why the Dutch trailer is that much better. It doesn't focus any more on Rapunzel than the American one, and the only difference is they take out a few extra Flynn scenes. It's still mostly about Flynn. And the music, to me, is only a small plus, because I rather doubt it's from Menken's actual score. Now the difference of the name of the movie is great, but I'm going to be honest- I don't really care that it's called Tangled now. I'm over it.

But I, too, would like a translation of the title cards.

[DisneyFan09]

Rapunzel looks great.
Pixar-ish isn't bad.
Agree with Rapunzel being more of a smart-ass than a bimbo, that 'BEST DAY EVER' has got to be one of the most idiotic lines ever spoken by a Disney character. Makes it come across so crude, like one of the rip-offs that other studios produce. I mean, seriously, how witless can you get with that line and tone (also swinging around a tree while saying it).

I highly agree with you. The "Best Day Ever" quote is terribly misplaced. It would made more sense in a high school film, but not in a Disney fairy tale.

[DisneyJedi]

This is gonna be fun, I can tell.

[jpanimation]

The Dutch trailer is much better, not perfect (it still uses Pink's Trouble), but better. I like the buildup for Rapunzel (instead of Flynn), the music at the beginning and of course, the title Rapunzel. I'm kind of embarrassed by how they [Disney] views America. The rest of the world will recognize a good movie and go see it but us Americans are too stupid and need to be tricked by deceptive marketing consisting of crappy (hip) title changes and DreamWorks-douchey (edgy) male centric protagonists to go see it. Be honest with your audience Disney.

Also, am I the only one who feels it's a missed opportunity that they aren't advertising Alan Menken?

NOTE: Multiple people who attended the test screenings have confirmed that a good amount of the footage featured the "Tangled" trailer is NOT in the actual movie, but only "test" animation made specifically to market the movie.

[robster16]

But I, too, would like a translation of the title cards.

The dutch title cards read the following:

In a kingdom far away...

...lives a princess...

...different from all the others...

...Walt Disney Presents...

...Rapunzel...

...coming to theatres soon
also in Disney 3D

[Prince Edward]

The trailer are really bad and way to DreamWorks-influenced. (The Dutch one is a little better.) Here's hoping the movie will be a true Disney classic with heart, story and characters to stand the test of time.

Yeah, Disney should have made a point of Alan Menken in their trailer, instead of using a random contemporary popsong.

Hate the title, but that's nothing to do about it I guess. Here in Norway, they are calling the movie "To på rømmen" ("Two people on the run", "Two runaways", or something like that). It's terrible.

[UmbrellaFish]

The Dutch trailer is much better, not perfect (it still uses Pink's Trouble), but better. I like the buildup for Rapunzel (instead of Flynn), the music at the beginning and of course, the title Rapunzel. I'm kind of embarrassed by how they [Disney] views America. The rest of the world will recognize a good movie and go see it but us Americans are too stupid and need to be tricked by deceptive marketing consisting of crappy (hip) title changes and DreamWorks-douchey (edgy) male centric protagonists to go see it. Be honest with your audience Disney.

Also, am I the only one who feels it's a missed opportunity that they aren't advertising Alan Menken?

NOTE: Multiple people who attended the test screenings have confirmed that a good amount of the footage featured the "Tangled" trailer is NOT in the actual movie, but only "test" animation made specifically to market the movie.

See, but I don't think that makes this trailer exceedingly better. I watch the trailer and see practically the same trailer, except the American one has more footage and has worse music (not that I don't like P!nk, but the song doesn't work...), and a different title. I don't understand why that makes that trailer so much better... Unless it's because the slapstick seems to understated in the Dutch trailer? It's not like either one sheds much information about the plot or the main character, either.

Besides, it only the first teaser trailer. Perhaps Disney will do something smart for a change and make a theatrical trailer that will represent the movie for what it is, because neither of these teaser trailers do that for me.

Thanks, robster16, for the translation! Now that is a DEFINITE plus over America's "she's been ground like... FOREVER"

So stupid...

[rj.disney]

this might be a small nitpick, but has anyone noticed that in the American trailer, Flynn's call started at "Lay down your ---" while in the Dutch one, he called "Rapunzel" before making his command. Of course, that obviously is a cut, but is Disney trying to hide from the Americans the fact that this movie is about Rapunzel? haha

[Neal]

I must say that as an advertising major and a camp counselor, I can't really blame Disney marketing for this.

This trailer was a 180 from the one for tPatF. That one gave me chills and I was 'proud' to show it to friends: "look, old Disney is back!"

This trailer is generic and no different than any other CGI childrens film trailer out there right now. I will not be sharing it anytime soon.

The dutch trailer does start out much better - and still ends up with Pink's "Trouble" - that is a much better tactic. It is a 50/50 split - beautfiul music to open and capture adult Disney fans, then switch to the pop to get kids.

However, as I said before - I don't blame Disney marketing, and don't envy them. We should all ease up on the hate a bit. Don't think their job is easy. We here are mostly adults (at least, we are all in our later teens on up). We prefer epic/beautiful trailers. But kids could give two shits. And the majority of Disney's business comes from children and their soccer moms. If the kid is bored by the trailer, no parent will take them to it.

We show outdoor movies at our campground and rely on movie posters to help promote attendance. When we showed "Spirited Away" last year, about six kids showed up and left halfway through.

When we showed "Alvin and the Chipmunks" around 70 kids came and stayed until the end.

The fact is, kids these days are more dumb than we were - seriously, they can't appreciate beauty and art like we did. I fear for how my kids will end up. Disney cannot market this film to be epic and beautiful like it did tPatF - because when I went to see "Up" and saw the trailers beforehand, more kids were responsive to the teaser for "G-Force" than tPatF. It's sad, but true.

So, as an advertising major, I feel bad for all the hate that Disney Marketing is getting (it's a place I'd love to work).

Their hands are tied. They can't produce an epic trailer, and Disney can't rely on the name "Rapunzel" to sell tickets. Yes, we will all go see the movie - but I honestly think Disney hardcore fans cannot sell enough tickets to keep WDAS solvent. They need kids and their parents, and that group outsells us when Disney gets its marketing right.

Do I prefer the Dutch trailer? Of course. But do I think Disney marketing is made of idiots? No. Their job is not as easy as "make epic trailer" - there is so much more to consider for a trailer.

If anyone are idiots, it's kids these days - who are only forcing the route Disney is on. Children's movies as a whole are much less intelligent and timeless than even a decade ago, and it is so saddening.

[jpanimation]

See, but I don't think that makes this trailer exceedingly better. I watch the trailer and see practically the same trailer, except the American one has more footage and has worse music (not that I don't like P!nk, but the song doesn't work...), and a different title. I don't understand why that makes that trailer so much better... Unless it's because the slapstick seems to understated in the Dutch trailer? It's not like either one sheds much information about the plot or the main character, either.

Yeah but the title cards put more emphasis on Rapunzel instead of Flynn Ryder, and to me that does make it better (more honest).

Thanks, robster16, for the translation! Now that is a DEFINITE plus over America's "she's been ground like... FOREVER"

So stupid...

That too. It may only be recycled footage from the "Tangled" (yuck) trailer but it's marketed in a completely different manner. More respectful towards the viewer and doesn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth.

Would I have liked them to set up the plot, show us the villian, and give us a taste of the music? Hell yeah but they didn't.

Like I said, still not great, but much better (which isn't saying much).

[Margos]

But I, too, would like a translation of the title cards.

The dutch title cards read the following:

In a kingdom far away...

...lives a princess...

...different from all the others...

...Walt Disney Presents...

...Rapunzel...

...coming to theatres soon
also in Disney 3D

I like 'em! I wish we had those here in the states!

Anyway, I think that Rapunzel's "Best day ever" line is pretty good. Why? Because I think it captures a lot of that upbeat, soaring euphoria of being outside of her tower for the first time in her life. I can hear a lot of energy in Mandy's delivery, and she doesn't sound stupid or silly, but enthusiastic and a little bit hyperactive. That's kind of how I imagined Rapunzel would be, to be honest.

It does strike me as odd, though, that a lot of the trailer footage won't be in the film. What's the point in marketing them, then? Just... why? But, whatever, I'm sure the finished product will be a thousand times better than the trailer, anyway.

[leuchtmuschel]

The marketing experts from Disney have got chosen the German title: “Rapunzel – Neu verföhnt”.

At first time I thought, that somebody tells a joke. But this is very serious.

For you, I have to explain the German meaning of this German title in detail:

The verb “Föhn” has two meanings:

1st [n. meteo.] foehn

2nd [n.] blow-dryer

“ver-“ makes an action.

Now I translate the German title for you:

1st “Rapunzel – (In a) new foehn (version?)”

2nd Rapunzel – New blow-dryer (version?)

1st: Disney has made a special version of Rapunzel for foehn weather?

2nd: This means guessing: Has Rapunzel got into a blow-dryer compulsive hoarding? Or was the German version of Rapunzel made with help of a hair dryer?

http://www.bluray-3d.de/disney---rapunz ... nwand.html

If you can read German, read this German forum:

http://www.msemporium.de/board/showthread.php?t=2553

[UmbrellaFish]

Yeah but the title cards put more emphasis on Rapunzel instead of Flynn Ryder, and to me that does make it better (more honest).

Well, I will agree with that. And I will say the Dutch trailer is better, but to me the difference between the Dutch and American trailers is so minute I couldn't care less.

[DisneyFan09]

Most people here seems only comment how great the artwork, animation, "faithfulness to true disney" etc etc. which is all great and exciting but....

I'm excite cause I like the characters. Seriously that's what makes disney classics so memorable: the characters. Although TPatF was decent movie, I never really felt connected or engaged with the characters. Dr. Facilicer was closest to that for me. I think that's why many people didn't really engage into the movie or really cared for it.

I actually like Prince Naveen. He's one of the most charismatic and fun Disney lead guys I've seen in many years. And Facilier was a great villain, but otherwise, I agree; The rest of the characters were passable, but not memorable enough.

[Jules]

Guys, a lot of people on Cartoon Brew are comparing Rapunzel's hair powers to Medusa from the Inhumans (which I only just got to know of). Is the "borrowed" power for Rapunzel blatant enough to be considered ripped off?