Frozen II

[unprincess]

Clindor since youre a Hans fan, Im curious what you thought of the scene where Elsa calls Hans an irredeemable monster. Alot of Hans fans felt it was J. Lee's (rather meanspirited)answer to the Hans fans about giving him a redemption arc.

It seems to me a bit unclear what J. Lee actually thinks for if I’m correct the idea of a redemption came from her in the early drafts for the sequel around 2014/2015. So if your statement is true, it seems like she can easily change her mind.

wait really? I know there's an interview with S. Fontana were he mentions that they told him they were thinking about it early on around that time but Ive never read or heard about it having been her idea specifically. Do you remember where you might have read about it? Im curious b/c most clues have seem to suggest to fans that she's dead set against it.

[Sotiris]

Here's a recording of the post-credits scene in case someone missed it at the theater, but I have to warn the ones who haven't seen the film yet that even though it's a short funny scene it includes major spoilers: https://demtoons.tumblr.com/post/189248 ... orded-last

Thanks! Here's the Hans cameo.
https://rhandomfangirl.tumblr.com/post/ ... tered-hans

I find it really odd that they didn't go this route. When the spoilers were first leaked a few months ago, this is what I assumed was going to happen along with Elsa and Anna's separation, but basically they just don't live together anymore. And even then, it doesn't take much for one sister to reach the other.

Rumor has it they decided to downplay the aspect of both her being a spirit and the separation after it was not well received at test screenings. It's a shame. I would have loved had they connected it back to the myth of the Snow Queen more concretely. Not to mention, the separation now seems pointless. If you're going for a bittersweet ending, actually follow through with it. It's bad enough with all of the dying fake-outs. Where are the stakes? The consequences? The payoff? At some point, it all becomes another gimmick that eventually people will realize and grow weary of.

[thedisneyspirit]

Disney...Doesn't really like Hans, do they? I mean, even other classic Disney villains like Ursula or Maleficent don't get such demeaning cameos like this or the one of BH6.

Iger was smart, no way in heck they could've ended the film with them killing the most popular character, unless they wanted merch sales to tank.

The reception for this film seems weirdly mixed, when compared to the first film.

[Sotiris]

Frozen II: D23 Breaks the Ice with the Cast & Crew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txBaYJVRc0Q

9 Facts About the Costumes from Disney's Frozen 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlDygfCBcx0

[Farerb]

Rumor has it they decided to downplay the aspect of both her being a spirit and the separation after it was not well received at test screenings. It's a shame. I would have loved had they connected it back to the myth of the Snow Queen more concretely. Not to mention, the separation now seems pointless. If you're going for a bittersweet ending, actually follow through with it. It's bad enough with all of the dying fake-outs. Where are the stakes? The consequences? The payoff? At some point, it all becomes another gimmick that eventually people will realize and grow weary of.

That's a shame really. That's what in my opinion prevents Frozen from becoming really gread instead of just good. 90's Disney would have taken the risks, but now it's just about doing stuff the kids will like and selling merchandise. Nothing is about what's good for the story anymore.

[nomad2010]

Saw it today and enjoyed it way more than the first. But I had a few thoughts:

Kristoff’s song stopped the movie in its tracks. It felt eternally long and stopped the plot completely. Add in the awkward 80’s visuals and close ups and it just came across uncomfortable. The entire audience was utterly silent during the entire number in my showing.

When Elsa and Anna are in the ship, Olaf very specifically says “like no one was in here” and it made me feel as if they were setting up a third where realize the parents are alive. It just seemed too specific and oddly placed.

The Nokk was not in the film nearly enough. In fact I was shocked how little it was in the movie. It felt inconsequential and almost like scenes with it had been cut?

Show Yourself was nowhere near as visually arresting as I’d hoped. And I felt like her movements were odd. That song is huge, but the visuals just didn’t correlate for me. And the shots didn’t seem well planned or very artistic?

My biggest complaint was that they had a PERFECT way to set up Elsa becoming the Snow Queen and they didn’t take it. Why make her the fifth spirit and not call her the Snow Queen and have her set up a castle of her own and also ice houses for the Northuldra.

[Disney Duster]

You are right about stakes and consequences and becoming the Snow Queen Sotiris, farerb, and nomad2010. Also I like your ice houses for Northuldra idea nomad2010.

[Farerb]

I'm glad that two things happened:
1. No more Tarzan/Tangled/The Little Mermaid crossover theories.
2. That ridiculous Once Upon A Time storyline doesn't fit in anymore with the Frozen universe.

[estefan]

I find it really odd that they didn't go this route. When the spoilers were first leaked a few months ago, this is what I assumed was going to happen along with Elsa and Anna's separation, but basically they just don't live together anymore. And even then, it doesn't take much for one sister to reach the other.

I wonder if, regarding the ending, the filmmakers slightly tweaked the ending to show that Elsa can still go to Arendelle and visit Anna whenever she wants, so it wouldn't be too similar to the conclusion of two of Disney's other recent films.

[Musical Master]

I find it really odd that they didn't go this route. When the spoilers were first leaked a few months ago, this is what I assumed was going to happen along with Elsa and Anna's separation, but basically they just don't live together anymore. And even then, it doesn't take much for one sister to reach the other.

I wonder if, regarding the ending, the filmmakers slightly tweaked the ending to show that Elsa can still go to Arendelle and visit Anna whenever she wants, so it wouldn't be too similar to the conclusion of two of Disney's other recent films.

Yeah and honestly it was incredibly refreshing to watch Anna and Elsa getting used to and being fine with it and they didn't play the OMGZ THEY CAN'T BE SEPARATED into the plot and character development which those other movies did.

[Farerb]

Then why couldn't she live in Arendelle and go to the forest and Athlahana from time to time? There was really no reason why should leave. They didn't play her feeling like an outsider at Arendelle, she didn't ascend to anything, there was no sacrifice and everything was too easy.

[Vlad]

This is the first time that I think that a sequel is better than the original. I thought this was an amazing movie, and I loved the songs, the story, the visuals, but I thought the ending could've been handled better.

[Farerb]

https://youtu.be/eSLe4HuKuK0
It's funny to watch the teaser again and realize that the only parts featured in the film are Elsa at the Dark Sea and Anna in the cave. So much for being "Epic".

[DisneyEra]

Needs only $179 million more to match the entire worldwide gross of Ralph breaks the Internet. Should pass it by next Sunday

[Clindor]

Is that even a challenge ? ^^ Despite the first WIR being loved by a lot of people (including myself), nobody was really craving for this sequel in particular.

[Clindor]

It seems to me a bit unclear what J. Lee actually thinks for if I’m correct the idea of a redemption came from her in the early drafts for the sequel around 2014/2015. So if your statement is true, it seems like she can easily change her mind.

wait really? I know there's an interview with S. Fontana were he mentions that they told him they were thinking about it early on around that time but Ive never read or heard about it having been her idea specifically. Do you remember where you might have read about it? Im curious b/c most clues have seem to suggest to fans that she's dead set against it.

Yes, that’s it! That’s the interview with Santino Fontana! Sorry but it has been like 4-5 years ago and I had only a vague remaining memory of it... I think that’s the interview you’re talking about.. Did it specify who are “they” who decided to inform S. Fontana regarding the possible redemption plot if it wasn’t Jennifer Lee? Who else could they be if not the filmmakers? Idk (It can’t be the writers or is it an incorrect assumption from me?)

[Sotiris]

More Jin Kim art!

https://sparebutton.tumblr.com/post/189 ... s-for-cast
https://sparebutton.tumblr.com/post/189 ... n-frozen-2
https://sparebutton.tumblr.com/post/189 ... n-frozen-2
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https://sparebutton.tumblr.com/post/189 ... -more-elsa
https://sparebutton.tumblr.com/post/189 ... imato-elsa
https://sparebutton.tumblr.com/post/189 ... ly-so-much
https://sparebutton.tumblr.com/post/188 ... by-jin-kim

[Nandor]

So I saw the film yesterday, here are some thoughts.

- Too much Olaf. He works best when used sparingly, which they didn't go for. Especially having two recap scenes (charades and Olafs one-snowman-show) seemed overkill.

- The songs were such a mixed bag. Most are definitely part of the movies, while others took you right out. I was so excited about Kristoff having a song, but seriously, what was that? I do love All Is Found though, and Idina is always a win.

- Speaking of Kristoff, they clearly didn't know what to do with him. I'm greatly annoyed by him replaying Bernards story from Rescuers Down Under. They couldn't give him anything else, anything? He could've been king of the moose, just give him something.

- The story felt simultaneously padded and rushed, though I feel the same is true for Frozen. There's something about the emotional core not clicking for me, but I suppose I'll attribute that to Buck and Lee's directing style.

- So who/what was the voice?

I did like the movie overall. I love Disney animated musicals, and it's very pretty.

[Farerb]

Nandor - The voice was Queen Iduna.

[disneyprincess11]

1) Santino's interview about Hans almost being redeemed in F2 is here at 15:30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGFgYRIXNMs

And at least Hans has both a cameo and a mention. We WiR fans had no mention of Turbo in RBtI.

2)

Nandor - The voice was Queen Iduna.

I don't think that was the voice. The voice wasn't explained at all. Iduna did it as a kid, but to summon whatever the voice is. Also, is it me or wasn't Elsa's powers explained either? We just had Anna say, "The spirits rewarded Mom for saving Dad"....and that's it? It would have been a good memory in that place

3) About the ending and Show Yourself:

I do agree about SY being overhyped as a scene. Don't get me wrong. It's beautiful, but I expected Let It Go. The dress transformation and the ending was very nice though!

Ending: When was "Snow Queen" mentioned? I just heard her about being the Fifth Spirit and that's it. I think Anna and Elsa's separation was handled fine. It wasn't supposed to be emotional because Elsa comes whenever she wants. I don't know why Elsa wasn't right at the coronation though. Glad she ends up going at the last second.

4) As for Anna and Elsa being too white to be POC, that's not always the case. My cousin's kids are part black and they look extremely white. Her daughter has an afro, but that's it.