Frozen II

[unprincess]

Clindor since youre a Hans fan, Im curious what you thought of the scene where Elsa calls Hans an irredeemable monster. Alot of Hans fans felt it was J. Lee's (rather meanspirited)answer to the Hans fans about giving him a redemption arc.

also Zavvi's releasing this set and oh is it ever nice!
https://us.zavvi.com/blu-ray/disney-s-f ... 70557.html

[Clindor]

Clindor since youre a Hans fan, Im curious what you thought of the scene where Elsa calls Hans an irredeemable monster. Alot of Hans fans felt it was J. Lee's (rather meanspirited)answer to the Hans fans about giving him a redemption arc.

This puts a blemish on this movie that cannot ever be removed now ^^ I don’t like Elsa’s statement nor do I appreciate Kristoff’s taking advantage of the situation in that same scene. It seems to me a bit unclear what J. Lee actually thinks for if I’m correct the idea of a redemption came from her in the early drafts for the sequel around 2014/2015. So if your statement is true, it seems like she can easily change her mind. Nonetheless I will always love Hans from the bottom of my heart whatever filmmakers might say about him <3 <3

[Clindor]

By the way, something I absolutely need to share today! I can’t possibly wait until the day after this movie’s release date :
While watching Elsa standing above, then jumping into the Dark Lake deep inside one of Ahtohallan’s caves, did anybody also got vibes from Fantasia’s abondoned sequence The Swan of Tuonela??? Cause I totally got that from the instant I first saw this scene!!! And I really don’t believe this is a mere coincidence.. The concept arts REALLY look like what you’ve got in that scene from Frozen II. I believe some of the Disney artists DID find and decide to reuse these ideas first developed for one of Fantasia’s lost segments.. and it would make sense since The Swan of Tuonela comes from Finnish mythology. It is part of the Norse mythologies and not necessarily too far away from Norwegian folklore. And there is a lot of similarities with the movie since Elsa is kind of a lonely soul, she actually meets death inside the water/at sea before being resurrected and reunited with her loved ones finding comfort with them. We just have to replace the mystic Swan by the Nokk, and we’ll be good!

[D82]

Music video for Panic! At The Disco's version of "Into the Unknown": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp-CVYGEsjg

[disneyprincess11]

My god, I loved it. Absolutely loved it. I don't even know where to begin. There won't be a full review for a bit.

[Disney Duster]

Saw it today with a friend at 1:00. She’s not a Disney lover actually, she just likes some of their animal movies, but she heard “Into the Unknown” and wanted to see this just enough to let her Disney-loving friend see it with her. So…

This film, while not amazing to me, nor as good as the first, nor even seeming very much like the original, still feels like a fitting and worthy follow-up to the original Frozen to me.

Like farerb once said, the original film was more a familial and romantic relationship drama, while this was a fantastical journey, so why would they make such a drastically different sequel? I felt this way during the film, but by the end, I kind of got it, because it was all about Elsa and Anna discovering what happened to their parents, and why Elsa has powers, and a lot about themselves. Plus it furthered Anna and Kristoff’s relationship. So, it worked for me.

I thought “All is Found” was the best song in the whole film. It had a great melody that didn’t go all over the place, with great lyrics (what other Disney film has a song that says “you will be drowned”?!). “Into the Unknown” is second best for me, and it’s a little all over the place, but, but…it has the great melody in the “into the unknooooOhOhOhhhhwwn” parts so it’s really pretty and epic there. I thought the rest of the songs sucked. Olaf’s song felt like “why the hell is a song like this for this character happening?” and Kristoff’s song, while I don’t mind some of it being played for comedy, it ultimately led to nothing and wasn’t really that emotional, two things it both should have corrected. “Show Yourself” is epic, but I’m sorry, once again it’s all over the place, but this time not even really with a distinct, memorable, beautiful melody, so I think it sucked. The visuals were so great with the music though, I actually got a little emotional. But I could tell it was their attempt at having another “Let It Go” with the music and visuals, it even ends in Elsa’s new ice dress, and I’m sorry but show us something new!

I liked the story of the fearful grandfather and Iduna’s background and her saving the prince, and I hated Elsa for not getting that Anna should always be with her when facing danger, she seemed like a real dick when she forced Anna away, but I liked Elsa figuring out how to find out the past, her harnessing the Nokk is fantastic, and like I said I got emotional when she saw her mother, but I must say I didn’t understand what exactly the place Elsa was at was or why it had her mother’s…memories there. I just understood it was a magic ice place and water has memories, but the rest of what was going on was totally lost on me. That being said, I liked that they went far with Elsa being frozen and Olaf dying, Anna growing very maturely as a person and with very difficult, adult subject matter (being alone in the dark and possibly going to die, not knowing what to do when you have no one to guide you) with her song “The Next Right Thing” (thought I thought the song sucked), and how she cleverly got rid of the damn.

Farerb, I agree that nothing really sank in, and there was too much Olaf.

I’m sorry guys, but Olaf felt almost entirely for the kiddies in this film. His existential bits were about the only grown-up parts.

Yes farerb, the “Lost in the Woods” song had bad unnecessary flashbacks. I actually didn’t think this needed a villain, because I think films should prove they can be good without one. You don’t need a villain to have a good movie. You may have been right about Elsa truly needing to say goodbye and be the fifth spirit, but I liked that she still got to see Anna and the rest of Arendelle. You are also so right about the time it takes to get from Arandelle to the enchanted forest, and how much land is actually Arandelle?

You are right, Clindor, this film had some necessary continuation an exploration of the original, and built some of a new world. Never realized the Nokk had got their parents, good theory! I, too, liked how they saw how their parents died. I was expecting Iduna to show up at the….ice fortress thing, as like a ghost or something, too, and was disappointed. Who the hell was calling Elsa? I didn’t notice how this one’s story beats parallel the original’s, that’s a good thing, and good catch, Clindor!

Now, I have a few last questions. Can someone, please, please explain to me what was that glacier/ice cap that Elsa had to get to to discover what happened? Why did she need to get there? And why did Elsa have to stay in the enchanted forest? For reals, why? To protect spirits or some new bull sh*t?

How did Iduna save Agnarr? How? Who was she?

Well, those were my thoughts.

[Farerb]

I thought about another thing that bothers me while rewatching the first film yesterday in order to see if the sequel changed my perspective on it.
So when they go to the troll:
A. Why didn't Iduna say anyhthing about the spirits and the fifth spirits since she's from the Enchanted Forest and knows about these things.
B. Why didn't Grand Pabbie say anything since it seemed in the sequel that he was knowledgeable about the Enchanted Forest and the spirits.
C. Why did it take their parents too long to take that journey? They've been dealing with the problem of Elsa's powers since she was a little girl, but waited for her to be 18 to find answers from that magical place?

I know the Doylist answers is that the writers didn't think about these stuff when they wrote the original movie, but they didn't provide a Watsonian answer in the sequel and that kind of retconing devalues the original in my opinion.

[thedisneyspirit]

Wow,Disney is really pushing the whole "our princesses are strong queens" narrative now aren't they? Elsa, Anna, Moana, Aurora, Cinderella and Jasmine in the remakes...Maybe Ariel will end up as Queen in the TLM remake and Mulan an Empress. Not a criticism, but then I wonder if the franchise should get renamed.

Do the new characters do anything of interest, or are they just window dressing so people don't attack the film of being too white? People seem to be shipping Elsa with the new girl for randomness.

[Farerb]

Do the new characters do anything of interest, or are they just window dressing so people don't attack the film of being too white? People seem to be shipping Elsa with the new girl for randomness.

What I found most funny is their mother is a Northuldra, so she's basically a POC even though her adult self looks very white while her child self doesn't, but it also mean that very white Anna and Elsa are actually POC.

[Farerb]

Upon seeing the film again I liked it better.

[Clindor]

A. Why didn't Iduna say anyhthing about the spirits and the fifth spirits since she's from the Enchanted Forest and knows about these things.
B. Why didn't Grand Pabbie say anything since it seemed in the sequel that he was knowledgeable about the Enchanted Forest and the spirits.
C. Why did it take their parents too long to take that journey? They've been dealing with the problem of Elsa's powers since she was a little girl, but waited for her to be 18 to find answers from that magical place?

A. Because she was afraid of revealing who she was to the people of Arendelle. She acknowledged it several throughout the movie. And after all it is justifiable, even justified. Remember of the war context between the two groups? Remember how Arendelle people became suddenly suspicious of their OWN queen the day of her coronation when it was revealed that Elsa has powers? Only the king knew about Inunda’s origins. The fact that she escaped the forest was even a secret to her own people. And being alone in Arendelle, she was uncertain about revealing this to anyone else. Including her own daughters. The fact that Elsa was born with powers surely didn’t help. The first movie precisely shows this.
B. Does Grand Pabbie know anything about all this?? It seems more like he can “feel” things and have visions rather than accurate knowledge. Being a magical creature like a troll it make sense. Remember how his visions about Elsa’s future was unclear in the first movie? Well, apparently it hasn’t changed since.
C. You have to revisit the first movie to answer this question. During the “Do you want to build a snowman?” sequence, it is showed that the parents first wanted to control their daughter’s powers, thinking that it was possible for Elsa to achieve that. THEN the parents decided to take that journey exactly RIGHT AFTER Elsa’s ultimate statement: “I’m scared. It’s getting stronger!”. At that exact moment they understood that Elsa was incapable of helping herself and that there was no other choice but to venture through this perilous journey, even if it was life-threatening. The first movie precisely shows this.

[Farerb]

A. Why didn't Iduna say anyhthing about the spirits and the fifth spirits since she's from the Enchanted Forest and knows about these things.
B. Why didn't Grand Pabbie say anything since it seemed in the sequel that he was knowledgeable about the Enchanted Forest and the spirits.
C. Why did it take their parents too long to take that journey? They've been dealing with the problem of Elsa's powers since she was a little girl, but waited for her to be 18 to find answers from that magical place?

A. Because she was afraid of revealing who she was to the people of Arendelle. She acknowledged it several throughout the movie. And after all it is justifiable, even justified. Remember of the war context between the two groups? Remember how Arendelle people became suddenly suspicious of their OWN queen the day of her coronation when it was revealed that Elsa has powers? Only the king knew about Inunda’s origins. The fact that she escaped the forest was even a secret to her own people. And being alone in Arendelle, she was uncertain about revealing this to anyone else. Including her own daughters. The fact that Elsa was born with powers surely didn’t help.
B. Does Grand Pabbie know anything about all this?? It seems more like he can “feel” things and have visions rather than accurate knowledge. Being a magical creature like a troll it make sense. Remember how his visions about Elsa’s future was unclear in the first movie? Well, apparently it has changed since.
C. You have to revisit the first movie to answer this question. During the “Do you want to build a snowman?” sequence, it is showed that the parents first wanted to control their daughter’s powers, thinking that it was possible for Elsa to achieve that. THEN the parents decided to take that journey exactly RIGHT AFTER Elsa’s ultimate statement: “I’m scared. It’s getting stronger!”. At that exact moment they understood that Elsa was incapable of helping herself and that there was no other choice but to venture through this perilous journey, even if it was life-threatening.

But no people of Arendelle were present at the scene. Only the trolls, her husband and her girls, so who was she afraid of?
Grand Pabbie was pretty knowledgeable in the sequel. Not just sensing things. He even mentioned the spirits before he started doing his thing with the lights
When Elsa said it she was what 12? 14? They went to the journey and drowned when she was 18. That's still a long time.

[Clindor]

A. Because she was afraid of revealing who she was to the people of Arendelle. She acknowledged it several throughout the movie. And after all it is justifiable, even justified. Remember of the war context between the two groups? Remember how Arendelle people became suddenly suspicious of their OWN queen the day of her coronation when it was revealed that Elsa has powers? Only the king knew about Inunda’s origins. The fact that she escaped the forest was even a secret to her own people. And being alone in Arendelle, she was uncertain about revealing this to anyone else. Including her own daughters. The fact that Elsa was born with powers surely didn’t help.
B. Does Grand Pabbie know anything about all this?? It seems more like he can “feel” things and have visions rather than accurate knowledge. Being a magical creature like a troll it make sense. Remember how his visions about Elsa’s future was unclear in the first movie? Well, apparently it has changed since.
C. You have to revisit the first movie to answer this question. During the “Do you want to build a snowman?” sequence, it is showed that the parents first wanted to control their daughter’s powers, thinking that it was possible for Elsa to achieve that. THEN the parents decided to take that journey exactly RIGHT AFTER Elsa’s ultimate statement: “I’m scared. It’s getting stronger!”. At that exact moment they understood that Elsa was incapable of helping herself and that there was no other choice but to venture through this perilous journey, even if it was life-threatening.

But no people of Arendelle were present at the scene. Only the trolls, her husband and her girls, so who was she afraid of?
Grand Pabbie was pretty knowledgeable in the sequel. Not just sensing things. He even mentioned the spirits before he started doing his thing with the lights
When Elsa said it she was what 12? 14? They went to the journey and drowned when she was 18. That's still a long time.

What scene? When Elsa is brought to the trolls for the first time? Her mother having no powers, and no one having a clue what Elsa’s powers mean, what’s even the point of revealing something the parents personally intend to keep secret? As for Elsa, fear doesn’t necessarily gets the best of them. Was it even rational to make a connection between those two facts then?
The fifth element seems to be a belief held by the Northuldras. And the trolls do not come from the Enchanted forest, I guess we can’t blame them for not knowing every secret of this other world. Plus, it is showed that the trolls are connected to the people of Arendelle.
The periods of time between each shot are deliberately left unclear and are mostly here to show you the two girls are growing up so you can quickly get a specific sense of what is happening. But this is not science though and everything is intentionally accelerated.

[Mmmadelon]

Saw it this morning and I didn't expect to love it this much! I thought it was a very good movie. Me and my little niece loved the 'Show Yourself' scene, gorgeous animation and song. I think it's on par with the first movie.

[D82]

Here's a recording of the post-credits scene in case someone missed it at the theater, but I have to warn the ones who haven't seen the film yet that even though it's a short funny scene it includes major spoilers: https://demtoons.tumblr.com/post/189248 ... orded-last

[thedisneyspirit]

With the way the film ended,would it be possible for Frozen 3 to be the faithful adaptation of the Snow Queen? Or has that ship sailed long ago?

[Farerb]

With the way the film ended,would it be possible for Frozen 3 to be the faithful adaptation of the Snow Queen? Or has that ship sailed long ago?

If Elsa actually ascended and became the fifth spirit or whatever then yes, but the only transformation she got was a new shiny dress so probably not.

[JeanGreyForever]

With the way the film ended,would it be possible for Frozen 3 to be the faithful adaptation of the Snow Queen? Or has that ship sailed long ago?

If Elsa actually ascended and became the fifth spirit or whatever then yes, but the only transformation she got was a new shiny dress so probably not.

I find it really odd that they didn't go this route. When the spoilers were first leaked a few months ago, this is what I assumed was going to happen along with Elsa and Anna's separation, but basically they just don't live together anymore. And even then, it doesn't take much for one sister to reach the other.

[DisneyEra]

Well, Ralph has one little victory over Elsa, The Critics

[Musical Master]

Just got out of seeing it and I am highly impressed. Solid story, really good characters and moments, improved songs/score, and a really nice ending that makes me really curious if they'll do a Frozen III. Honestly, Frozen II to me is a better sequel that actually does improve on the original than Ralph Breaks the Internet which I found ridiculously overrated and personally disappointing; putting it on the lowest number for a Disney Revival Era ranking list.