Tangled! (The Artist Formerly Known As Rapunzel)

[PatrickvD]

I think it's more the fact that dialogue matched, characters matched... hell, if Zoe Saldana had broken out into "Colors of the Wind" it would have fit like a glove.

[Poody]

Here's an interesting picture of Rapunzel... concept art?

http://nintentoys.deviantart.com/art/Ra ... -148968972

[Super Aurora]

I think the point that Super Aurora was making is that, you can reduce any film that has come out into many other films/stories that have already been told. In a way that's what genres are all about. Yes, Avatar is basically a story about invasion like how eastern europe invaded the Americas, but that shouldn't overshadow the fact that it's still a good story. Also a story that is always relevant. If we're going to criticize films for being similar to one another then let's have every studio in hollywood make their own versions of the original tales, as if that wouldn't get repetitive.

This. Seriously, when people compare movies to other movie too much, then it shows that you're not caring about how the movie is but how similar it is to other movies. If you do that, might as well compare other movie to another one while you're at it.

[toonaspie]

Here's an interesting picture of Rapunzel... concept art?

http://nintentoys.deviantart.com/art/Ra ... -148968972

egads! Thank goodness that concept art didnt get approved!

[Babaloo]

I'm not saying anything against Avatar, but one of my best friends just came back from seeing it (she's not a Disney fan btw), but she couldn't believe how similar it was to Pocahontas...

And about the picture from the magazine... I love it! At first I looked quickly and thought wow that just looks like normal CG, but when I looked closer I ould see a difference (especially his hands and face). And her dress is amazing! I don't like her face very much (maybe because the facial expression) and also, and I know I'm being stupid for this, but I think her feet are kind of big. I know they're proportionate to her body, but I don't know they just remind me a little of the stepsisters' feet.

[Wonderlicious]

Here's an interesting picture of Rapunzel... concept art?

http://nintentoys.deviantart.com/art/Ra ... -148968972

Wow. Up there with Da Vinci, I say.

[PatrickvD]

Here's an interesting picture of Rapunzel... concept art?

http://nintentoys.deviantart.com/art/Ra ... -148968972

Wow. Up there with Da Vinci, I say.

her hair looks like a giant piece of poo

[Candy-Bonita95]

I think the point that Super Aurora was making is that, you can reduce any film that has come out into many other films/stories that have already been told. In a way that's what genres are all about. Yes, Avatar is basically a story about invasion like how eastern europe invaded the Americas, but that shouldn't overshadow the fact that it's still a good story. Also a story that is always relevant. If we're going to criticize films for being similar to one another then let's have every studio in hollywood make their own versions of the original tales, as if that wouldn't get repetitive.

This. Seriously, when people compare movies to other movie too much, then it shows that you're not caring about how the movie is but how similar it is to other movies. If you do that, might as well compare other movie to another one while you're at it.

People can't help it.Especially now,people are comparing Rapunzel to Fiona,Penny,and Jessie.I'm comparing her to Anastasia,Yvaine(from Stardust)Ariel, and Kirsten Dunst.
1.Anastasia had a sassy attitude an acted bossy towards Dimitri.(but ofcourse she was attracted to him)
2.Yvaine was a bossy smartass towards Tristan because she was all alone and Tristan didn't treat her well.
3.Ariel was rebellious yet curious like Rapunzel.
4.Her looks remind me of Kirsten Dunst / the blond hair and the cute,quirky face yet weird facial expressions.

[singerguy04]

Once again, the point is this....

Any film can be reduced to seem/look/feel like an older film. No one said there is anything wrong with being able to do that. However, no one should fault a film for having a story "too" similar to another story.

A lot of people are criticizing Avatar for being too much like the story of Pocahontas, and I don't think that's fair considering many stories are like that tale. In fact you can take it a step further and say that Pocahontas was too similar to Romeo and Juliet even. Why does making a film that uses elements from past stories such a terrible thing? If that's the case there's no point in making new films. Also this whole discussion was way off topic and didn't have much to contribute to Rapunzel... as far as i know, no one has really claimed Rapunzel's story ( well, as much of the story that we know of so far) to be like this.

[Siren]

For such a little woman, she has a big booty I know she is sticking it out at an odd angle and granted, I am not saying that to be insulting at all. I think its great.

I do see Jesse, in her facial expression and mannerism in that one scene. Disney has been evolving their Disney princesses/heroines to be stronger and more independent with each not incarnation.

Where as Snow White and Aurora would throw themselves on the bed/ground crying and screaming, the more modern Disney heroines have each progressively gotten more feisty. Starting with Ariel fighting with and disobeying her father, running off to the sea witch for help...Belle refusing to marry the first guy who asks her and having the stones to stand up to the Beast...Jasmine sicing her tiger on guys she didn't like and manipulating Jafar by seduction...etc. Esmeralda, Kida, Tiana, they all got stones those girls.

So I think we should actually be comparing Anastasia, Jesse, and Fiona to them. Dreamworks wants to pretend they made the first princess who broke the mold, but Disney has. No, they didn't fight like the Matrix or fart and burp, but they started the trend of the strong princess. So Rapunzel is likely just another one on Disney's roster.

I think she looks adorable though. I really want to see this movie. Kinda bummed they went CGI, but still, it looks good.

[Disney Duster]

When you first see or hear something, you see it for what it is. Then, later you are reminded of what it is also like or compare it to other things. Try to just stick with what you first feel, how good the original new thing is on its own.

I just looked at one of the oldest pictures of Rapunzel's design, and I realized its actually way painterly compared (haha...and I said not to compare) to the new image we have now. Some people said it just looked "softer", but there's more to it. Her hair looks like it has brush strokes and there's other feelings of a painting in the texture of everything. But one thing's for sure, if those flowers are CGI, that's amazing, because they look just like a painting!:

Rapunzel's painterly portrait.

You do realize that if a whole animated film looked like that, it would still be pretty impressive and beautfiul? The only thing I don't like about the picture is her design, I prefer some of the later concept art of her.

I was also thinking...it seems they are keeping the hand-drawn design and movement in the film, but aside from softer skin, the painterly part may have been abandoned.

And so...does anyone wonder if the moving painting look was abandoned beacuse they think people want to see a movie that looks CGI? You know, like how they think people only want to see CGI animated movies?!

[Babaloo]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but both boxofficemojo.com and IMDB have reported that the official date for Rapunzel has changed from November 24 to November 11. I wonder if that has anything to do with Princess and the Frog not performing as well as they hoped for.

[WonderlandFever]

Well I think it looks great and I really can't wait to see this one!

I am so glad that now the debate can end abotu whether it's "painterly" or not......I mean sure it would have looked great but I knew it just wasn't realisitic that Disney would ever invest so much time into that style shame too but.....I hate the word painterly too now btw

[Babaloo]

Sorry but to add to the comment I made above about the date changing, I think this is a very smart move. There isn't any major movie planned for a November release, other than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows part 1, which might be a killer, but nothing else. Also if it is released on November 11, that allows two weeks for a limited release if they do one, with wide release around the USA's thanksgiving weekend (since I think that around the time you guys have it right?). So other than Harry Potter, most people would go see Rapunzel. Thank god that "Eclipse" isn't opening in November again and that Shrek Forever After is opening in May!

[DisneyJedi]

Sorry but to add to the comment I made above about the date changing, I think this is a very smart move. There isn't any major movie planned for a November release, other than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows part 1, which might be a killer, but nothing else. Also if it is released on November 11, that allows two weeks for a limited release if they do one, with wide release around the USA's thanksgiving weekend (since I think that around the time you guys have it right?). So other than Harry Potter, most people would go see Rapunzel. Thank god that "Eclipse" isn't opening in November again and that Shrek Forever After is opening in May!

Amen, brother! AMEN!!

[Kyle]

Man, every time they revise her design she looks more and more generic. I'm pretty disappointed.

[Disney Duster]

No one notices in that link to Rapunzel's portrait you can see brush strokes in the hair and impressionist painting looking flowers? The paintyness?

IagoZazu, the description clearly states that Mother Gothel either really loves Rapunzel or thinks she does. The other villains didn't think they loved the protagonists, except possibly Frollo. But Lady Tremaine loved her own daughters.

And who says a true villain can't love? A villain only has to be someone who goes against the protagonist. Villains in our lives are people who go against us or what we believe in, who are our enemies. Even someone who murders can love their own spouse and children, and many have.

By the way, I saw Zacahry Levi, who plays Flynn in Rapunzel, in some movie called Shades of Ray (he was Ray) where he's half-Pakistanian and half-white. He doesn't look like he is but the whole movie acted like he clearly was. He's kind of dark... I didn't really think he was that great, but not bad, some good moments. But he was also in Alvin and the Chipmunks the Squeakquel...and farts in his sleep on Theadore...I guess they made him do that (fake farts of course!).

But, hey, look at what I found at IMDB:

Trivia for
Rapunzel (2010) More at IMDbPro »

advertisementRachel Rogers provided the voice for Young Rapunzel during the initial scratch phase.


Kristin Chenoweth and Dan Fogler were the original choices to voice Rapunzel and Flynn.


The hero is a bandit named Flynn. This is a reference to Errol Flynn, a dashing actor whose notable role was a bandit in The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938).


Rapunzel's prominent features include blond hair and green eyes. This refers to "Dragon Ball Z" (1989/I), where the protagonist Son Goku gains blond hair and green eyes when he powers up. This comes full circle, as the song "Bippity-Boppity-Boo" in Cinderella (1950) influenced the monsters Bibidi, Babidi and Buu.


Burt Reynolds was considered for the role of Flynn, and was going to use his Bandit persona from Smokey and the Bandit (1977).


According to production manager Doeri Welch Greiner, the original script was a quasi-sequel to Enchanted (2007), and had Rapunzel turned into a squirrel and her place taken by a girl in the real world. Glen Keane eschewed in favour of a more fun and fantastical fairytale that Disney is famous for: "I think that's what Disney needs to do right now. No one else can do it. We should not be embarrassed or make excuses for doing a fairytale."


According to Glen Keane, the movie's visual style (a three-dimensional painting) was greatly inspired by the Romantic painting "The Swing", by the French rococo artist Jean-Honoré Fragonard: "A fairy tale world has to feel romantic and lush, very painterly." For a clear idea of what was intended, the animators duplicated the picture in 3D to achieve a shot containing depth and dimensions.


According to Glen Keane, the technique of non-photorealistic rendering was extensively used to make the CGI surface look like it is painted but still containing depth and dimension. He also mentioned the use of subsurface scattering and global illumination and "all of the latest techniques" to render, in computer-generated imagery, convincing human characters and rich environments.


From the beginning, Glen Keane intended that the film looked and felt like a traditional hand-drawn film, but in 3D. He hosted a seminar called "The Best of Both Worlds," where he brought in 50 Disney animators (both CGI and traditional artists) to discuss the techniques used in each style and how to, in his words, "bring the warmth and intuitive feel of the hand-drawn to CGI."


Glen Keane credits animator Kyle Strawitz for achieving the painterly style of the film: "Kyle helped us get that Fragonard look of the girl on the swing... He took the house from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) and built it in CGI, and painted it so that it looked like a flat painting that suddenly started to move, and it had dimension and kept all of the soft, round curves of the brushstrokes of watercolor. Kyle really helped me start to believe that the things I wanted to see were possible... that you could move in a Disney painterly world."


Composer Alan Menken reported that he based the film's musical score on 1960s rock.


The hero's name was originally going to be Bastian.


This is Disney's first CGI Fairytale film.


Glen Keane and Dean Wellins were serving as directors of the film, but due to other commitments they stepped down and were replaced by Byron Howard and Nathan Greno.


Glen Keane's ambition with this film, technically speaking, is to make the computer "bend its knee to the artist" instead of having the computer dictate the artistic style/look of the film, and make the computer become as "pliable as the pencil."


Because many of the techniques and tools that were required to give the film the quality Keane demanded of it didn't exist when the project was started, the WDFA had to make them on their own.


The character of Flynn Ryder was originally British. Zachary Levi even auditioned for the part, and got it, with a British accent. It wasn't until later that the character became American.

While I'm glad to hear Lasseter say classic fairy tales are what Disney does like no other and they don't have to be embarassed or make excuses to make them...I'm so excited to hear all that stuff about Glena Keane and the painterly CGI!

But, does anyone know if it's all true? Because I wonder if when they say that they duplicated The Swing in CGI, I think they mean the picture that is very similar to that one, but not the same, with Rapunzel on the swing (I posted it on the previous page). So that's kind of half-right.

The Snow White cottage in CGI sounds amazing if it is true! It didn't just look CGI like the old Platinum's menus, but like a flat painting, that then moved and changed angles and everything!

[Kyle]

Of course its true, its also very old info by this point.

What a lot of people don't know though his that the movie had a different look to it early on too.
One that no one here has lilkely seen. It used to have actual outlines, it was a subtle cel shading effect unlike anything before it. Think the stuff we've seen in certain video games with cel shading, but taken to a whole new level.

For anyone wondering, no I havnt seen this version myself either, I'm just relaying what Ive heard from someone who has. And this person is disappointed that none of that made it into the final look of the film.

[Super Aurora]

Trivia for
Rapunzel (2010) More at IMDbPro »

Rapunzel's prominent features include blond hair and green eyes. This refers to "Dragon Ball Z" (1989/I), where the protagonist Son Goku gains blond hair and green eyes when he powers up. This comes full circle, as the song "Bippity-Boppity-Boo" in Cinderella (1950) influenced the monsters Bibidi, Babidi and Buu.

lol WHAT!?

[IagoZazu]

lol WHAT!?

That just made my morning! I can see Rapunzel glowing yellow with her hair flying up right now!

Sala-gadoola-menchicka-boo-la
Bibbidi-bobbidi-boo
Put em' together and what
have you got
Bibidi-Babidi-Buu