Frozen: Part IV

[Lady Cluck]

Not an insane theory at all. When I first heard the lyrics to 'Let it Go' I thought it sounded like a coming out anthem.

[Disney's Divinity]

I agree, that's what I thought of when I first heard the lyrics.

[Sotiris]

Veteran sound editor Odin Benitez, whose credits include "Silver Linings Playbook" and "Planes," said his first job in the film business was on this lot. His current project is "Frozen," a computer-animated musical from Disney in which a character — Elsa, voiced by Idina Menzel — has the power to create ice and snow. The sounds of the weather she creates help drive the story. "Those sounds have to reflect her emotions," Benitez said.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/en ... 5188.story

[PrincessElsa]

I agree, that's what I thought of when I first heard the lyrics.

No one group has a monopoly on having to hide their true selves, true identities, true beliefs, true feelings, etc., in a hostile environment. Nor on the solitude of having no like-minded peers. Nor on a defiant moment of liberation in asserting those beliefs and disclosing their true identity, whatever the consequences.

By not making it particular, Disney can appeal to many marginalized groups in the character of Elsa. It would be terribly reductive to diminish this to just one specificity. That's the beauty of fantasy in general, as opposed to strict realism -- it can be representative across multiple human situations, not just localized to one.

[DancingCrab]

No one group has a monopoly on having to hide their true selves, true identities, true beliefs, true feelings, etc., in a hostile environment. Nor on the solitude of having no like-minded peers. Nor on a defiant moment of liberation in asserting those beliefs and disclosing their true identity, whatever the consequences.

By not making it particular, Disney can appeal to many marginalized groups in the character of Elsa. It would be terribly reductive to diminish this to just one specificity. That's the beauty of fantasy in general, as opposed to strict realism -- it can be representative across multiple human situations, not just localized to one.

How would the gay community adopting Elsa and/or her ballad be limiting the universal appeal of the character? Disney is obviously not putting her or this movie into that box, so what is your problem with it? No one has said "Elsa is ours now, the rest of you back off!!" Although that's kind of how you're coming across.

[unprincess]

those Hans storybook pics are so weird. Theyre done in such a classically iconic Disney prince/princess scenario... BUT ITS ALL LIES!

[PrincessElsa]

How would the gay community adopting Elsa and/or her ballad be limiting the universal appeal of the character? Disney is obviously not putting her or this movie into that box, so what is your problem with it? No one has said "Elsa is ours now, the rest of you back off!!" Although that's kind of how you're coming across.

You're actually not disagreeing with what I'm saying.

If a community adopts her, that's fine, obviously. Various communities can adopt various characters, even various communities can adopt the same character -- hence the effectiveness of a character like that, who is relatable to many different populations and individuals.

But if Disney were to put her or this movie into that one specific box, then yes, that would limit the universal appeal of the character, by definition, precisely because then the plight is defined as a one-to-one allegory for one specific situation.

[disneyprincess11]

New story pics are out. But, it's everything we know already.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/7ae6eac98b4d ... 2_1280.jpg
http://31.media.tumblr.com/eab8bd63fa64 ... 5_1280.jpg
^^Wheres the Duke BTW Oh btw: Hans, your evil is showing.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/35115dce11c8 ... 1_1280.jpg
http://31.media.tumblr.com/b5bc646e4f33 ... 7_1280.jpg
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[WonderNeverOz]

Not an insane theory at all. When I first heard the lyrics to 'Let it Go' I thought it sounded like a coming out anthem.

That is one thing I love about the story. Not because I'm gay and I related to it, but because Hans Christian Andersen was bisexual and im sure he went through the same struggling most non-straight people go through. Also, even though the story might be changed from the original, it's still about a person who's seen as imperfect, yearning about being loved, like the ugly duckling or the steadfast tin soldier.

and also, I think it's a lot like something that Howard Ashman would write because of obvious reason, so i feel like this song is paying tribute to many things.

[tomakpo]

I like how Disney characters can relate to everything. I always thought we could see Beast as a murderer, a criminal, or maybe a drug addict, an alcoholic, something that almost killed him. And love saved him (and everybody around him). I also feel characters like Belle, Ariel, having everything ("Sure, she's got everything") or more they think they have but wanting more, wanting to travel ("I want much more than this provincial life"). It's really good we can feel Elsa, because It shows how deep the character could be (And I say could be because we haven't seen the movie yet) and that she could be as great as classic characters. I need to low my expectations but I can't

[DancingCrab]

You're actually not disagreeing with what I'm saying.

Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding then.

[taei]

I'm so happy thatthere are wolves in this movie!!!

[PatrickvD]

I can't wait for this thread to become readable again. Can we make a spoiler thread or something? I mean, we're somehow forced to close down a thread when it becomes too long at some vaguely decided point. Can we have a spoiler thread and a spoiler-free thread? It's become slightly unreadable..

[phan258]

I can't wait for this thread to become readable again. Can we make a spoiler thread or something? I mean, we're somehow forced to close down a thread when it becomes too long at some vaguely decided point. Can we have a spoiler thread and a spoiler-free thread? It's become slightly unreadable..

Seconded haha. I'm always worried I'm going to accidentally ruin someone's experience.

[Disney's Divinity]

By not making it particular, Disney can appeal to many marginalized groups in the character of Elsa. It would be terribly reductive to diminish this to just one specificity. That's the beauty of fantasy in general, as opposed to strict realism -- it can be representative across multiple human situations, not just localized to one.

It's true, Elsa is universal, just like the Beast, Ariel and Mulan (among others), but they were given specific situations/reasons for being alienated or persecuted, and so is Elsa. It's just that those reasons are so beyond any real-world problem (for the average viewer) that they easily symbolize something else (sort of how some people see Werewolves in Harry Potter as a comment on AIDs, for instance). Of course, it's almost become too common for Disney protagonists to be depicted this way, particularly since TLM.

[tomakpo]

I really feel like Ariel sometimes. She's got a lot of gadgets from a world she wants to be part of. I actually have things from countries I would like to visit or live in. Ariel's father tells her everytime that world is dangerous. My family actually tells me the places I'd like to live in are dangerous and everybody around me is telling me is not easy to go live somewhere else. And when they tell me about the situation some people went through trying to achieve their goals I feel like Ariel when King Triton destroys her grotto. That's why I love thinking The Little Mermaid as something more than just a love story where a mermaid sells her voice to be with a guy she just met, like a lot of people points out.
Disney usually success with the ugly-duckling outcast formula, except with maybe Chicken Little and Hunchback (which actually didn't fail in my opinion, I love the movie). Elsa is kind of an outcast, even though she is a queen.

[UmbrellaFish]

Am I the only one who's getting a subtext here-- maybe because of the language The Rotoscopers used?

From a young age, Elsa knew there was something different about her-- something that was "bad." All the townsfolk think so, anyway. One day, that bad thing is "outed." Elsa runs away from everything because she doesn't want to be associated with the "bad" thing, and I'm assuming it takes her sister Anna to show Elsa that she still loves her despite the "bad" thing/doesn't believe that the "bad" thing is bad.

This movie could be gayer than The Little Mermaid.

Just sayin'...

[DisneyEra]

I agree with Jennifer

[Edthehyena]

I love all your personal stories. As for me, dońt laugh, my father is african, my mother is a french blonde. But i've been raised in France by my french family as a white french guy, with rare mentions to Africa. My father did not teach me the culture or langage... As a kid i felt there was a little something different with me... Then i went in Africa and had a revelation, seeing all those "strangers like me" ! I connected with them, i was part of them and they were part of me. Is it why i like so much the part of emotional drama in Tarzan ( another Chris Buck movie ! ) ? That heroic ape man has got such an emotional dimension in Disney version ! Like so many characters, he ´s torn. One of my friends, adopted, feels very connected to Tarzan too. It may be cliché, but ugly people love Quasi, and people involved in complex slibing relations ( like me again) will love Frozen too. OMG Disney heroes are so great and deep indeed !!!

[Warm Regards]

^This is so true. People will connect to movies that remind them of their own lives/ experiences. One of the reasons I loved The Aristocats and E.T. The Extraterrestrial when I was younger was because there were two brothers and a sister. According to this blog, there's a story on the Platinum Edition documentary about how The Little Mermaid actually brought back together a father and daughter after years of being estranged. I can only imagine how many sisters will relate to and benefit from Frozen as a whole.