Ralph Breaks the Internet

[blackcauldron85]

I just came back from seeing this!!
(Don't read if you want no spoilers at all [I'll spoiler tag actual ones].)

I really enjoyed it. It has so much heart. I definitely cried a few times. The friendship theme is the main theme, and they did a fantastic job. My husband didn't like how whiny/clingy Ralph became, although I think he forgave that a little in the end. About that, I feel that Vanellope really helped Ralph become his true self, if you will, in the first movie, so of course he values his friendship with Vanellope above all else...My husband said he thinks Vanellope's anger at Ralph is misplaced; he said that Vanellope should have told Ralph about wanting to stay behind, so she can't put all the blame on him/she shouldn't be as angry at him as she is. He wished that it was an issue of misunderstanding vs. Ralph being clingy.

Calhoun/Felix- I agree with you all- hope they do have an "Auntie Edna"-type short. The end "joke" - I'm betting it was always meant to be just a joke; they probably weren't going to have Calhoun/Felix explain briefly what parenting the racers was like (I think it was just that joke bit and hopefully they're saving that subplot for a short- it probably took too much time away from Ralph/Vanellope)- note- I typed that in the car on our way home, and the above-posted article mentioned that the subplot took too much time away from V & R.  They were in it a little more than I had expected reading this thread.

So, I've mentioned before that I'm pretty obsessed with Pancake Milkshake.  Ralph was shown holding a Pancake Milkshake box, filled with a figurine/toy, I suppose, but then nothing.  My husband said it must've just been made for the trailer.  I said, "But they made all that merchandise!" & he said "Yeah, after they saw how popular it was on YouTube."  & right after we had that conversation, the mid-credit scene came on, with baby Mo saying that she's sad (?) that there was a scene in the trailer that's not in the movie, and it was a briefly extended version from the trailer- we see more of kitty drinking the milkshake.

And we both thought the Ralph-Roll was funny!   While I read the song list when it was posted on the forum, I forgot that "Never Gonna Give You Up" was on the list.  I knew it wouldn't be a Frozen 2 preview since the F2 logo looked off-model, if you will.  I thought it was neat- it felt like Ralph was in a shot-for-shot music video remake.!

I really enjoyed the Princesses scene, and I liked the friendship they showed in their later scene- friendship being the main theme.  I liked how Rapunzel said something like, "There's a big, strong man that needs our rescuing."  OhMyDisney really wasn't a huge location in the movie- Vanellope was originally going to be sent to Slaughter Race to be a pop-up ad for Ralph's viral videos, but Ralph thought it too dangerous, so he found OhMyDisney on the "globe," and Yesss thought that Vanellope would be a great fit.

I just had a really good time.  I laughed, I cried, I went on a fun adventure with characters I care about.

[disneyprincess11]

Glad you liked it!

Sorry guys: the deleted D23 Expo footage will indeed be in the home release

https://twitter.com/_rich_moore/status/ ... 5701146625

[blackcauldron85]

Glad you liked it!

Sorry guys: the deleted D23 Expo footage will indeed be in the home release

https://twitter.com/_rich_moore/status/ ... 5701146625

Woohoo!!!!!!! I'm so glad they'll release it. It makes sense, I suppose, since they already screened it, ya know?

[disneyprincess11]

Glad you liked it!

Sorry guys: the deleted D23 Expo footage will indeed be in the home release

https://twitter.com/_rich_moore/status/ ... 5701146625

Woohoo!!!!!!! I'm so glad they'll release it. It makes sense, I suppose, since they already screened it, ya know?

I'm thrilled b/c I personally love those parts! It's like a slumber party and the girls have strong chemistry in those parts!

[blackcauldron85]

^If they haven't yet, they'll have to reanimate-re-render Tiana (+Pocahontas?), for the deleted scenes...?

[disneyprincess11]

^If they haven't yet, they'll have to reanimate-re-render Tiana (+Pocahontas?), for the deleted scenes...?

Def. I won't be surprised if she is right now.

By the way: Did something happen between Bill Hader and Disney Animation? This is a extremely weird response.

@SarahJanetHill
@_rich_moore just saw #RalphBreaksTheInternet and LOVED IT! Question tho: why is the incredibly charming and talented Bill Hader uncredited?

Rich Moore
@_rich_moore

Well you know what they say... Haders gonna Hade.

https://twitter.com/_rich_moore/status/ ... 9546557440

[Sotiris]

By the way: Did something happen between Bill Hader and Disney Animation? This is a extremely weird response.

I believe Rich is just joking around. Bill Hader probably agreed to voice Spamley under the condition to go uncredited and not have his involvement in the film revealed. I'm not sure why he would want that; probably because it was too small of a role and was just doing a favor to someone. Rich took that as an opportunity to have some fun and mess around with people.

Q: I have to ask, who voices JP Spamley?

Phil Johnston: So…we’re not sure.

Rich Moore: Yeah, we don’t know the guy. It’s a mystery. People are saying it’s a guy, Bill Fader or something?

Phil Johnston: Phillip Grader? We don’t know.

Rich Moore: Some people think it’s Bill Hader, but it’s not.

Phil Johnston: We want the internet to debate it, and discuss it, but we don’t know. We have no idea.

Rich Moore: He was just kind of hoisted upon by our casting department.

Phil Johnston: It’s hard to say. It’s hard to say who it isn’t.

Rich Moore: It’s not Bill Hader though. Definitely not. That guy, I want him nowhere near one of our films. Man’s a hack as far as I’m concerned. [Laughs]

Source: https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/featu ... -directors

[Sotiris]

Ralph breaks the box office!

‘Ralph’ Breaking The B.O. With $95M
https://deadline.com/2018/11/ralph-brea ... 202505947/

[JeanGreyForever]

I watched it today and I tried to watch it with an open mind but I left unsurprisingly pretty disappointed. I actually really enjoyed the first 20-30 minutes or so. The arcade scenes were amazing and felt like they picked up right from the original film. Even the early Internet scenes were great. However, I found Slaughter Race and all its characters to be pretty boring. Shank just didn't feel like she had been fleshed out enough and she spoke mostly in platitudes anyway. Most of the jokes in this section fell flat as well. I enjoyed Yess and Knowsmore but I wish Yess could have had more screentime. Not that she's lacking, but she was fun enough that a lot of the Slaughter Race sections could have been cut so that Yess' character could be implemented more because as of now her scenes feel rushed to me.

I really did not enjoy the Oh My Disney section at all. Even though the princess scene isn't as offensive as what we saw earlier, some jokes were really off-putting. The princesses cheering about not having mothers is do distasteful as others have mentioned. Jasmine mentioning daddy issues makes about as much sense as the earlier draft where she was allergic to cats. Thank goodness there was no rabid Meeko or that nonsense about being rude to C-3PO. Also some of the voices felt off. I'm not surprised that Paige O'Hara sounds older as Belle but Irene Bedard really doesn't sound anything like Pocahontas here for some reason. Maybe she realized how ridiculous the material she was being given and decided it wasn't worth the effort. I did find it somewhat prophetic that during this whole scene, a child started bawling hysterically. Must have been as offended by these princess wannabes as I was.

The song was really disappointing to be honest. I thought it would sound better in the film, but it really does feel out of place. You can tell the song was shoehorned in last minute and no one in the audience seemed to really react to it. Because the lyrics are restricted to Slaughter Race, they're not really interesting and the melody really does seem to be a watered down version of True Love's Kiss from Enchanted. I even got notes of A Whole New World at the end. Because of this, the melody isn't really enchanting because you know that you've heard the superior product before and this is just the cheap knock-off. I think Sarah Silverman's delivery is part of it because I prefer the pop version, but even then, I doubt this song will be a new classic. I'd be shocked if it was Oscar nominated.

Calhoun and Felix are barely in the film yet they show up early in the credits compilation which feels almost like an insult to them. Ralph is actually pretty annoying in this film. He's super clingy and it comes off as really weird, which even he comments on during the climax of the film. It doesn't shock me at all that his insecurities essentially serve as the film's villain. I could at least understand Vanellope's motivations but by the last act of the film, I had lost any interest in her friendship with Ralph.

Overall, this film was a fail for me. Most of the most lovable things about the first film are absent here, but I am glad that I watched the film, just because the early arcade scenes were really fun and what I wish the film could have centered around. The princess scene isn't as offensive as it was before, but it's still pretty bad. I'm dreading their return to the screen in a future installment since we all know that's coming.

[disneyprincess11]

Pardon me with the Felix and Calhoun stuff, but I just found this on Tumblr. It turns out they were going to have twins If they never intended to really use Felix/Calhoun in the first place and go nowhere with the adoption of Sugar Rush kids, the twins made a heck lot more sense than throwing away a story. And I was really hoping for them to have their kids. Just so frustrating (Hopefully for the inevitable third movie?)

https://jeffmerghart.tumblr.com/post/18 ... -it-ralph2

Calhoun and Felix are barely in the film yet they show up early in the credits compilation which feels almost like an insult to them.

Yeah, that was bizarre that Jane and Jack were put above Taraji, who had a much much bigger role. The main cast credits was a little weird. Why was it "And with Taraji Henson?" Alfredo/Double Dan was in one scene and he was put above her. Shouldn't it be John, Sarah, Gal, Taraji, Bill, Alan and Alfredo WITH Jack, Jane, and Ed (O'Neil)?

And a suggestion from the artist was Shank being plus-sized and Ralph's love interest, which would have been fun, but I like Shank the way she is. We don't need a female Ralph.

https://jeffmerghart.tumblr.com/post/18 ... -art-shank

Bill Hader probably agreed to voice Spamley under the condition to go uncredited and not have his involvement in the film revealed. I'm not sure why he would want that; probably because it was too small of a role and was just doing a favor to someone. Rich took that as an opportunity to have some fun and mess around with people.

Why would they uncredit a big actor for their movie? And plus, Spamley was actually a big role.

Ralph breaks the box office!

‘Ralph’ Breaking The B.O. With $95M
https://deadline.com/2018/11/ralph-brea ... 202505947/

The princesses have done their job. What's sad is we'll never know if the movie was going to be as a success without them.

[Sotiris]

And a suggestion from the artist was Shank being plus-sized and Ralph's love interest, which would have been fun, but I like Shank the way she is. We don't need a female Ralph. https://jeffmerghart.tumblr.com/post/18 ... -art-shank

Agreed. Making someone's love interest the opposite-sex version of them is clichéd anyway. Thanks for that link, by the way. The same artist, Jeff Merghart, posted a ton of production artwork there. Did they consider making Shank the villain at one point? Some early exploratory designs for her come off really villain-like.

Incidentally, Jim Kim has posted his own drawings of Shank on his blog. His work is so good!

http://cosmoanimato.tumblr.com/post/180 ... it-ralph-2
http://cosmoanimato.tumblr.com/post/180 ... it-ralph-2
http://cosmoanimato.tumblr.com/post/180 ... it-ralph-2

The princesses have done their job. What's sad is we'll never know if the movie was going to be as a success without them.

I think it still would have been a hit but maybe not as big as it is now.

[Sotiris]

The filmmakers are asked about the possibility of another sequel. Sounds like they're already cooking up ideas.

Q: Can we anticipate any more stories with these characters? Will there be another sequel?

Phil Johnston: It's interesting. We felt like after the first film that it was wrapped up with a nice little bow put on it. And only with a little bit of distance started seeing that there were more stories to tell. I was thinking about that question today and the only thing I can think...I don't want to say 'yes' but the only thing I can think of...Vanellope has just gone through essentially a coming-of-age story where she's finding her way and we think she's found her way but as we know life is full of conflict and things you're not anticipating so I could envision a world where Vanellope still has more to learn. With Ralph at the end of the first film we realized that he still had some self-love he needed to achieve so there's probably more to it with Vanellope too.

Rich Moore: Hearing you say that, I'm thinking of the very real experiences that some young people have that they're gung-ho to go to college and they get there and don't like it. You know, that they get what they wanted and have buyer's remorse and want to come home. Maybe that's something.

Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behin ... st-1163558

[thedisneyspirit]

Funny to see how the main character has basically been robbed from his protagonist status. Like since when has Vanellope ever been a popular or marketable character?

[DisneyEra]

Funny to see how the main character has basically been robbed from his protagonist status. Like since when has Vanellope ever been a popular or marketable character?

Reminds me of Kingdom Hearts 3, where Ralph is just a summons's character "ala, Chicken Little" while Frozen/Tangled & Big Hero 6 each have they're own unique worlds.

[disneyprincess11]

I would love one more for a good and balanced conclusion, but I hope to goodness that isn't the plot to the third movie. Not only is it repetitive, but why would they build a major development and change to Vanellope and then take it away? She thinks Sugar Rush is boring, so she leaves for Slaughter Race. Now, she might think Slaughter Race is boring and then she will leave again for Sugar Rush? What's even the point of her journey then? They gave her a musical number about it, FGS. So, they will throw away the beautiful ending and the lesson completely? And Vanellope finally finds her place in the world. Let her be happy.

Funny to see how the main character has basically been robbed from his protagonist status. Like since when has Vanellope ever been a popular or marketable character?

Clearly she is now with the princesses. And that's another problem. Are they thinking of Ralph at the moment? What about the actual lead in the two movies? What about Ralph? What about his lesson? How will that lesson grow? How will he develop? And of course, what about the arcade? Will they actually show Felix and Calhoun and their family? What will they do? And can they please be the leads as well?

I'd say the plot to be the arcade is closing and everyone has to save the arcade OR everyone leaves and find their place on the Internet. Growth for everyone and room for a great conclusion.

[Disney's Divinity]

Funny to see how the main character has basically been robbed from his protagonist status. Like since when has Vanellope ever been a popular or marketable character?

Jasmine'd. Of course, Ralph certainly ain't no Aladdin and Vanellope was the only character in WIR I liked, so I guess... Not quite the same for me?

I'm glad for WIR fans that it looks like this franchise lucked up into a third film, but I was hoping WIR2 would flop so it could go away.

[JeanGreyForever]

Funny to see how the main character has basically been robbed from his protagonist status. Like since when has Vanellope ever been a popular or marketable character?

Jasmine'd. Of course, Ralph certainly ain't no Aladdin and Vanellope was the only character in WIR I liked, so I guess... Not quite the same for me?

If you hated Ralph in the first film, then you're definitely not going to like him here. It seemed like the only way they felt they could make Vanellope the lead was by making Ralph as unlikable and whiny as possible.

[Farerb]

To be honest, it felt like Vanellope was the protagonist in the first film as well. It was her story.

I never liked Ralph, I dislike him even more after the sequel. I thought Ralph Breaks the Internet was mediocre at best, which is a shame since I thought Disney produced two great films in 2016, this was a downgrade.

P. S. Merida poking at Vanellope about winning the Oscar would have been funnier than that offensive joke about incoherent Scottish accent.

[Sotiris]

I would love one more for a good and balanced conclusion, but I hope to goodness that isn't the plot to the third movie. Not only is it repetitive, but why would they build a major development and change to Vanellope and then take it away? She thinks Sugar Rush is boring, so she leaves for Slaughter Race. Now, she might think Slaughter Race is boring and then she will leave again for Sugar Rush? What's even the point of her journey then? They gave her a musical number about it, FGS. So, they will throw away the beautiful ending and the lesson completely? And Vanellope finally finds her place in the world. Let her be happy.

I agree with you but I really don't believe this will be final plot line. With Ralph Breaks the Internet they went through dozens of storylines before settling on the one we got so I highly doubt this one is going to stick so early in the process. It just means the filmmakers are starting to come up with possible ideas for another sequel. Interestingly, they seemed against the idea of another sequel a few days ago. I wonder what changed their mind.

"I mean, I don't know because I feel good about where they're at," Johnston told ComicBook.com in regards to a third movie. "I mean you could envision like plot things where something gets screwed up and they have to reconnect to fix it. But in terms of it being a story of maturation for Ralph? Like he's really, like John Reilly said in the press conference. The internet represents the sort of adult phase of their life. And I think Ralph at the end, has matured where he is comfortable in his skin and he will make friends and he and Vanellope will still hang out. And Vanellope is just coming of age, she's just finding that thing that makes her passionate, and I don't know."

Source: https://comicbook.com/movies/2018/11/21 ... directors/

Q: By the end of the film, it’s fairly clear that this is not a sequel that leaves a door open for another one. Whereas so many successful properties become trilogies or bigger franchises, do you feel that Wreck-It Ralph is a 1-2 punch story?

Phil Johnston: We can joke around and throw out silly plot ideas, but from an emotional standpoint, I think it’s a story where Ralph grows up and Vanellope is in the middle of growing up and finding her way. For me, it’s a very nice two-chapter story that I would feel happy if this were it. Unless some lightning strikes and Vanellope has more growing up to do or something like that. But to me, it feels like The Iliad and The Odyssey. Or The Idiot and The Odyssey. [Laughs.]

Rich Moore: I would hate to take a gamble on a Godfather III. But I agree. I love where [Ralph] has ended up. It feels so nicely wrapped up. It’s a big fun world, yes, but there would have to be more than just, “Hey, let’s go back to that world.” There would have to be something really demanding that it be addressed, like it was with the first one when we decided to do the second one.

Source: https://ew.com/movies/2018/11/29/ralph- ... directors/

Jasmine'd. Of course, Ralph certainly ain't no Aladdin and Vanellope was the only character in WIR I liked, so I guess... Not quite the same for me?

Not quite. Aside from some storybooks and comics tied to the Disney Princess franchise, Aladdin was still very much the protagonist in most derivative media including the sequels and the TV show.

It seemed like the only way they felt they could make Vanellope the lead was by making Ralph as unlikable and whiny as possible.

Making the secondary character the lead in the sequel is another formula imported from Pixar. Cars 2, Monsters University, Finding Dory, Incredibles 2 all do that. I expect Elsa's role to be more prominent in Frozen 2 considering Anna was more of the lead in the first one.

[disneyprincess11]

Doug Walker's review is in and he didn't care for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYFHA4B1Nos