Tangled! (The Artist Formerly Known As Rapunzel)

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:22 am

Wow! I'll admit, I gasped a little when I saw this! It's gorgeous!
My eye was first drawn to Rapunzel's dress. It's such beautiful fabric, and it looks absolutely real, like I could reach out and touch it! Her hair looks great, too, but I'd really like to see it in motion, since hair is one of the hardest things to animate with a computer.
As for character design, I think Rapunzel's very lovely. But not delicate! Her face reminds me of a less-plastic-like Jessie, such a little tomboy with very tough facial expressions! Purple is definitely her color, though, and I love her hair and her dress and everything!
I find Flynn handsome, but... You know, I'm gonna be honest, he reminds me of that one guy from "The Road to El Dorado." But the cheesy smile makes me think of something Aladdin or Naveen would do.
I love that she has him "trussed with her tresses," I think it's a very clever use for all of that hair!
As for the wall.... I wonder who painted that? If it was Mother Gothel, and it probably was, does anyone else find it creepy that she's painted Rapunzel on her own wall? I don't know, maybe there's nothing wrong with that, it just seems weird to me.... Well, totally in character, anyway.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:25 am

Margos wrote:As for the wall.... I wonder who painted that? If it was Mother Gothel, and it probably was, does anyone else find it creepy that she's painted Rapunzel on her own wall? I don't know, maybe there's nothing wrong with that, it just seems weird to me.... Well, totally in character, anyway.

no, Rapunzel painted it. It's in the description of her character that she's an artist and that she's painted the walls of her room.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:40 am

PatrickvD wrote:Rapunzel painted it. It's in the description of her character that she's an artist and that she's painted the walls of her room.

In Barbie Rapunzel, Barbie was also an artist who painted her tower's walls. This an original element and was not included in the original fairy tale. Coincidence?

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:42 am

Oh, OK, I get it now. I don't know how I missed that....

About Barbie Rapunzel, though... Yeah, that's a pretty big coincidence. Heck, it's a coincidence that Barbie did Rapunzel at all so close to Disney's.

Mooky · Post by **Mooky** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:50 am

It looks great, but... (moving) painting my ass!

UmbrellaFish · Post by **UmbrellaFish** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:55 am

I've got to say I'm rather impressed. Of course, I'll wait for a trailer or something before I get too excited- but it's already looking as if I might need to see this one in theaters.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:06 pm

Mooky wrote:It looks great, but... (moving) painting my ass!

So true!

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:12 pm

I actually like it. The characters' look and design themselves look like they can transit well into 2-D. The personality also seems to show that. It least I can believe that this movie will pull off a 3-D version of a 2-D-like movie.

Repunzal look better than I initially was going to think. I also like Flynn. Look like type of guy I'm going to like. The background also look great.

Many of you were expecting "painting like" look. I think that was when Glen was director. Besides, This isn't really that bad. Don't put too high expectation one what the movie should have. You'll only disappoint yourself even further.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:23 pm

Mooky wrote:It looks great, but... (moving) painting my ass!

I can't believe people still thought it was gonna look like a moving painting. That was from before the new directors took over. I've always said that what Glen Keane wanted was impossible and that it would only lead to disappointment. So there ya go.

The new guys never said anything about a moving painting. Their inspiration was more trying to make computer animation look stylistically as close to Disney's hand drawn classics as possible. To me, it looks like they succeeded. Traditional animation is described as being warm and inviting. Just read the reviews for TPATF. This looks warm and inviting as well. Wich can;t be said about most computer animation.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:49 pm

Yeah, PatrcikvD! Looking at yor new sig, and comparing Rapunzel to Bolt... Rapunzel has that really warm, almost golden tone to it. Bolt looks very good, but Rapunzel actually is more inviting-looking. It does look as warm and organic as 2D, but with CG detail and dimensionality. I like it!

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:51 pm

Wow, that looks really impressive and definitely close in style to the 90s Disney. Now, we just need to see a trailer to see how they look in movement.

robster16 · Post by **robster16** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:59 pm

sotiris2006 wrote:
PatrickvD wrote:no, Rapunzel painted it. It's in the description of her character that she's an artist and that she's painted the walls of her room.
Hopefully, she painted that when she was very little because if not then she is not very good at it

In Barbie Rapunzel, Barbie was also an artist who painted her tower walls, something that is an original element and not included in the traditional fairytale. Coincidence?

I like the childlike innocence! and her using painting and her imagination to try and envision the things she can observe of the outside world are very clever storytelling tools. To give her curiosity and longing of understanding what goes on outside her tower a face. I haven't seen the Barbie movie, but I doubt t was used as a driving storytelling point and metaphor. I figure Barbie was just doing it as a hobby and didn't have any more motivation to it...

Mooky · Post by **Mooky** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:13 pm

PatrickvD wrote:
Mooky wrote:It looks great, but... (moving) painting my ass!
I can't believe people still thought it was gonna look like a moving painting.

Uh... sure we did. Year after year (and even at this year's D23 Expo) we were explicitly told Disney's plan with Rapunzel was to make it visually innovative which would be reflected in its moving painting style. Whenever there was an uproar about it being CG (and even after it was announced Glen Keane was taken off the project), Disney beat us on the head with their "moving painting / hand-drawn animation in 3D / best of both worlds / as close as possible to hand-drawn" tune * . So yeah, we were basically promised it'd look like a moving painting and they pretty much failed at delivering it. But like I said (and regardless of what I think of Disney's medium of choice for "Rapunzel"), this image does look amazing.

* I always thought an easier solution would have been to, you know, actually make it hand-drawn, but I won't open that can of worms again.

Daydreamer · Post by **Daydreamer** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:19 pm

Just like to underline that we are always judging a "SCANNED COPY FROM A MAGAZINE", hopefully the final result would be much more superior than this! So please just consider the character designs and art direction, but not the lights...hope you can understand what I mean...

robster16 · Post by **robster16** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:27 pm

At least we know that Glen Keane is still supervising the animation on Rapunzel. I've read on several blogs from actual animators about how they LOVE working with him. With Glen in charge I'm confident that the level of animation will be pumped up and secured and stretched to it's limits.

Glen has been adament in his statements that he wanted to bend the computer's abilities to what was possible with a pencil instead of being satisfied with the limitations computer animation has...

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:38 pm

Mooky wrote:
PatrickvD wrote: I can't believe people still thought it was gonna look like a moving painting.
Uh... sure we did. Year after year (and even at this year's D23 Expo) we were explicitly told Disney's plan with Rapunzel was to make it visually innovative which would be reflected in its moving painting style. Whenever there was an uproar about it being CG (and even after it was announced Glen Keane was taken off the project), Disney beat us on the head with their "moving painting / hand-drawn animation in 3D / best of both worlds / as close as possible to hand-drawn" tune * . So yeah, we were basically promised it'd look like a moving painting and they pretty much failed at delivering it. But like I said (and regardless of what I think of Disney's medium of choice for "Rapunzel"), this image does look amazing.

links? From what I recall, the D23 Magazine interview with the directors was the first glimpse at what the new team had in mind. And they referred to Disneyland architecture as a source of inspiration for the art direction. Technically, they also talked about how they were improving the software used for Bolt to achieve a more handpainted look than Disney's previous CG films. They never said it was gonna look like it was a traditionally animated film. Because... that's impossible.

Since the switch in directors no one has mentioned the moving painting thing again. It was the internet that kept hanging onto it. Just last week I noticed wikipedia was still claiming they were going for that Rococo look from The Swing. It was outdated.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:55 pm

Old Fish Tale wrote:Oh my God! It looks fantastic! Look at the paintings on the wall! Thanks, dear!

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OMG!!! That looks amazing!

Though I'm still confused. The movie LOOKS CGI, but others say it's gonna be CGI resembling hand-drawn animation. Sorry if that statement seems oversaid.

jpanimation · Post by **jpanimation** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:23 pm

It looks way better then I thought it would

It looks like 2D designs (usually computer animated characters are designed with the 3D in mind) translated in 3D. It actually has a painted feeling about it and you usually don't get that kind of dynamic posing in a computer animated flicks (its way more appealing then any of Disney's previous attempts at computed animated films). Glen Keane's influence is very evident and it looks like this will be handed like a traditionally animated film but computer animated. Paint me impressed by one image but I'm even more excited then when I found out Menken was composing.

This is the first time I've been excited for a computer animated flick from Disney (well, technically I was excited for Dinosaur after seeing the teaser but that all disappeared after I found out they talked).

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:26 pm

It does look like it's from "inbetween-land" as far as CG and 2D are concerned. I mean, I look at it and I can tell it's CG immediately, but as I said before, it looks almost as warm and organic as 2D. It really is the best of both worlds!

Would I have liked to see "Rapunzel" done in 2D? Yeah. Will it be stunning anyway? Yup. Will the story be just as strong, and will the music be just as good, and will it be as entertaining? But of course!

jpanimation · Post by **jpanimation** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:27 pm

It looks way better then I thought it would

It looks like 2D designs (usually computer animated characters are designed with the 3D in mind) translated in 3D. It actually has a painted feeling about it and you usually don't get that kind of dynamic posing in a computer animated flicks (its way more appealing then any of Disney's previous attempts at computed animated films). Glen Keane's influence is very evident and it looks like this will be handed like a traditionally animated film but computer animated. Paint me impressed by one image but I'm even more excited then when I found out Menken was composing.

This is the first time I've been excited for a computer animated flick from Disney (well, technically I was excited for Dinosaur after seeing the teaser but that all disappeared after I found out they talked).

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