The Princess and the Frog Discussion - Part III

[ajmrowland]

I guess in the movie, being named a Princess(by the public, no less) means you are one. Doesn't really make sense, but neither does the spell breaking when kissing someone of an actual Monarchy, either.

[Disney's Divinity]

More annoying to me was when she decided not to, kissed him, but didn't become a frog like Tiana.

Wow, never thought of that. For some reason, when I'm watching films, my mind blanks until it's over. And I haven't really sat down and thought about TP&TF much.

Maybe Odie went Galinda-ish and made Tiana a frog so she would come to find an answer she already had?

Or maybe, more seriously, it's because Facilier is dead (I can't remember--he is dead by this point in the movie?) and the magic can't go any farther than it already has without him. Yeah, that's a sucky explanation, because then Tiana and Naveen would've returned to human form with his death. (Kind of reminds me of that alternate ending with Ursula saying her victims die with her--to explain why Triton doesn't just blow her up; they clearly had to get rid of that line of thought, because then Triton would have to die).

Guess TP&TF is down with the likes of B&tB and TLK with its plot holes.

[blackcauldron85]

And Blackcauldron, Mama Odie says that he should kiss a princess, so that should be true, right?

It's been almost 3 months since I've seen the movie- I just need to watch it again. I don't remember.

[azul017]

Full color disc... wait that's just a copy and paste from the cover and doesn't even cover the whole disc and one is gray.

Such a shame. I was hoping with the BD combo pack release of Ponyo (and the Studio Ghibli re-releases), we'd get full color disc artwork for PaTF for all the home video releases (DVD, BD/DVD combo). Seems like Disney only does color artwork for their BD releases and DVD releases that require it in their contract.

[Sky Syndrome]

The samples for the Bayou Boogie soundtrack are up at Amazon.com! Judging from the snippets, it sounds like the songs are going to be wonderful! Each song seems to come off as a solo so I'm not holding my breath that Naveen appears anywhere on the soundtrack but maybe Disney will surprise us. One of Facilier's songs that was listed as "Love is a Magical Mystery" early on is now "Life is a Magical Mystery". I like it, it's a more suitable song to give him. I'm still amused by the original title suggesting that Facilier expresses his opinion of love to Lawrence due to the fact that Lawrence was going to settle into a marriage with Charlotte soon.

Click here to find the samples of the Bayou Boogie soundtrack

I can hardly wait to hear each song in its entirety once I get my hands on the CD!

[BwayJ]

He still uses the word "love" in that sample.

[Sky Syndrome]

I must have been too excited listening to the song to pay attention to the lyrics. Around 10 minutes after I first heard the song, I noticed it was listed as "Life is a Magical Mystery" and I didn't recall hearing "Love is a Magical Mystery" in it so just went along with the revised title. Too bad I didn't catch my mistake before I posted.

[DisneyJedi]

I cannot WAIT to get this CD!! It makes me love Louis even more!

[Poody]

I'm not too impressed with this new Bayou CD. The songs sound way too dumbed down. Oh well, I'll be buying it for sure and I'll wait til then for a full judgment.

[Disney Duster]

Or maybe, more seriously, it's because Facilier is dead (I can't remember--he is dead by this point in the movie?) and the magic can't go any farther than it already has without him. Yeah, that's a sucky explanation, because then Tiana and Naveen would've returned to human form with his death. (Kind of reminds me of that alternate ending with Ursula saying her victims die with her--to explain why Triton doesn't just blow her up; they clearly had to get rid of that line of thought, because then Triton would have to die).

Well, if Facilier is dead, it could mean that no more magic can happen, but the magic that happened before, the frog permanency, would stay.

[BwayJ]

Or maybe, more seriously, it's because Facilier is dead (I can't remember--he is dead by this point in the movie?) and the magic can't go any farther than it already has without him. Yeah, that's a sucky explanation, because then Tiana and Naveen would've returned to human form with his death. (Kind of reminds me of that alternate ending with Ursula saying her victims die with her--to explain why Triton doesn't just blow her up; they clearly had to get rid of that line of thought, because then Triton would have to die).

Well, if Facilier is dead, it could mean that no more magic can happen, but the magic that happened before, the frog permanency, would stay.

The term for what you're describing is "ontological inertia," which means that something that already exists cannot be changed unless by an outside source like magic. TV Tropes has more on the story:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... calInertia

[blackcauldron85]

International Details: Princess Still Powerful
http://www.the-numbers.com/interactive/ ... ewsID=4922
(via animationguildblog.blogspot.com)

[Sotiris]

The Oscars: Clements & Musker Talk More Princess and the Frog

http://www.awn.com/articles/films/oscar ... page/2%2C1

Highlights from the article:

BD: Even though the domestic box office didn't meet expectations, you've done well overseas. But I hope they're not blaming 2D again.

JM: Yeah, there was a question about that. And so far they are looking at how they marketed the movie and sort of do a little bit of Monday morning quarterbacking on that, but we're hoping to do another 2D film. We're developing some 2D ideas right now

RC: The studio seems supportive.

BD: Well, fortunately you have John Lasseter and Ed Catmull in charge.

JM: Right, they both love 2D animation and if they didn't, I don't think we would've made the movie we just made, but I would say that even though it wasn't a slam dunk at the box office, the audience is definitely there for 2D.

BD: There are obviously some mitigating circumstances with the Avatar juggernaut and the Alvin Squeakquel.

JM: Yeah, both of those affected our film, but hand-drawn is such a big part of the legacy and we're hoping that it will continue. We're just in development now and we're looking at a whole range of ideas and we'd love to do another one and John is behind it, and we want the studio to be behind it.

BD: So, what kind of 2D ideas are you pitching John?

JM: There are some that are period and some that are contemporary and some that are musical and some that are not.

RC: I think we're probably not going to do a fairy tale. Even when we did The Little Mermaid, we actually turned down Beauty and the Beast. And Aladdin just seemed like it would be a fun Arabian adventure to do next, so I think we're looking at some different areas of storytelling.

BD: Your film reminded us again that it's such a different aesthetic with so many artistic possibilities yet to explore.

JM: Right, I think that's what we want to exploit: what hand-drawn does particularly well.

RC: We always describe it as a different paint brush. In general, we look for strong stories and strong characters and interesting worlds that lend themselves to hand-drawn more. But this is getting harder and harder to do with an Avatar that lets you tell any kind of story in any kind of way.

[DisneyJedi]

It's nice to hear they still are planning hand-drawn animated movies.

[magicalwands]

Thanks for that, sotiris2006! This is proof that Disney is just going to go up from here on out! I'm so glad the Disney Executives can put their trust in an ARTIST to create their films.

[blackcauldron85]

http://tommy2.net/content/?p=13858

Facts from The Princess and the Frog! Did you know Ron Clements was at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival when he got caught in a downpour and took cover under a table. Clements later added the scene in the bayou in which Tiana and Prince Naveen get caught in the rain.

[David S.]

Just a reminder to anyone in the New Orleans area that the fantastic Disney animation exhibit at New Orleans Museum of Art, "Dreams Come True: Art Of the Classic Fairy Tales from Walt Disney Studios", closes this Sunday, with the museum staying open for 30 continuous hours to send it off!

This exhibit draws heavily from Princess and the Frog, but also features art from Silly Symphonies, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid, and Beauty and the Beast. Each of the above films has it's own section, presented in the order in which they were released, with Princess and the Frog serving as the finale, with the largest gallery.

http://www.noma.org/exhibitions.html

[blackcauldron85]

http://tommy2.net/content/?p=13860

id you know that some of the background characters in The Princess and the Frog were based on members of the production crew. The man with the horse in the opening sequence was based on supervising animator Eric Goldberg. Producer Peter Del Vecho’s likeness can be seen doing the tango across the dance floor at the Masquerade Ball.The girls swooning after Prince Naveen are all based on members of the production team. Marlon West (EFX supervisor) and Bruce Smith (supervising animator) inspired Tiana’s friends in the café, and writer Rob Edwards’ likeness is part of the band. Head of story Don Hall voices the character of Darnell. Storyboard artist Paul Briggs voices the character of Two Fingers.

[Babaloo]

The name may also be referencing the Henry Wadsworth Longfellow poem "Evangeline," which tells of a woman who searches America for her betrothed only to be reunited just before his death.

So I don't know if this has been posted, but it is confirmed in the commentary that this is where Evangeline's name came from.

And also about the characters being based on crew, while I watching the commentary yesterday, supposedly one of the bugs that Ray wakes up before doing their song is based on Randy Newman .

[yamiiguy]

I seen a Princess and the Frog easter egg today, it had a milk chocolate egg, white/milk chocolate bar and some marshmallows. I hate chocolate though