ajmrowland wrote:
I see both points, but the movie is still very good, and Disneyfella, I think you're wrong. The movie did not preach it's heart out, but it showed in almost every scene(in context of course) and the humor-potty humor aside-was really well done and so was the storytelling. I do see it not being regarded as a classic in 10-15 years, but it was far from feeling like simpy a plug for a franchise(which was obvious two years ago, when disney started sticking to franchise films).
Hmm...I think I get your point, but I wasn't suggesting Disney expects to franchise this film (though if it is successful that is exactly what they will do), so much as tell a story with specific key elements targeting vastly different demographics in an attempt at pleasing everyone. It is a creative business design approach to an artform like cinema, but inherently is souless.
It is also flawed. If one third of the film is for retro gamers, one third is for Halo crowd, and one third is for the teeny bopper sugar crowd - then most people will ultimately be unmoved by two thirds of the film. The caveat is if you are a diehard Disney fan willing to forgive anything, or if you are a gamer.
What ever happened to telling universal stories where the whole film appeals to the family? Things seemed optimistic after Tangled, but this seems like a step backwards 0_o.
Again, it's simply my opinion and I don't mean to rain on anyone's enjoyment.
It does seem that that the majority of audiences are enjoying this movie, even those who are not hardcore gamers or Disney fans.
Of course, that isn't necessarily a barometer of quality and you are well entitled to have grievances with the movie.
I saw the movie the second time, but the first time for my nephew and niece. The kids liked it, and so do I. It's a fun movie for all ages.
SPOILER ALERT:Remember the scene where King Candy gets Ralph's medal out from the code chamber where Venelope's chip is unplugged? Why didn't he do that while Ralph was held custody in his kingdom (after tried to capture Venelope to retrieve his medal back)? What if King Candy's loyal subjects want to know what he's gong to do with Ralph while he was held custody in his kingdom (before he escapes to get his medal back)? What if King Candy henchmen decided to follow him while he gets the medal for Ralph (which would led the discovery of Venelope's chip dispatched)? Of course, King Candy would just command his minions to leave him and Ralph out of their sight, and then fetch the medal for Ralph. That way, Ralph wins, King Candy wins, everybody wins. Of course, it wouldn't be fair for Venelope. True that it would cut the story short, but lucky for Disney, the kids would not notice it. If I work for Disney, I would put strong details for, "Wreck-It Ralph," to cover loop holes. For example: What if the code that King Candy activates to enter the code chamber has a special processing system (percentage from 0% to 100% (kind of like download))? That way, he would tell Ralph to give him a moment, and send him to the Fungeon (Dungeon). And after the dough nut cops failed to find Ralph and Venelope, King Candy would go back to the code chamber, see that the code fully progressed to 100%, and enter the code chamber to retrieve Ralph's medal. That idea would most certainly cover the loop hole. Anyways, despite the loop hole, the audience like, "Wreck-It Ralph," in every way.
P.S. Picky about me, tell it to my English grades, and American History grade. I got an, "A," on all baby.
DisneyEra wrote:Now it's time for "Frozen"! The 2nd Disney renaissance is upon us. TURBO-TASTIC!
2nd?!?!?! I think you mean 4th, if this is that at all. Snow White and Cinderella's eras matter.
I just saw this film, and while my wife really loved it, I didn't like it as much. I didn't hate it, but didn't like it. Another middle of the road film. Lately I find I'm loosing interest in Disney and Pixar Animation. That certain spark seems to be missing. I hope Monster's University and Frozen bring it back and don't put it out of it's misery instead. *sigh*
I also think I miss hand drawn animation. Computer animation has left me feeling stale. *double sigh*
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DisneyEra wrote:Now it's time for "Frozen"! The 2nd Disney renaissance is upon us. TURBO-TASTIC!
2nd?!?!?! I think you mean 4th, if this is that at all. Snow White and Cinderella's eras matter.
I just saw this film, and while my wife really loved it, I didn't like it as much. I didn't hate it, but didn't like it. Another middle of the road film. Lately I find I'm loosing interest in Disney and Pixar Animation. That certain spark seems to be missing. I hope Monster's University and Frozen bring it back and don't put it out of it's misery instead. *sigh*
I also think I miss hand drawn animation. Computer animation has left me feeling stale. *double sigh*
People are using the term 'renaissance' because it refers to a recovery from a dark age before it. Doesn't really apply to movies such as Snow White and Cinderella (ok, you could argue that the package films constituted a dark age).
I'm sorry that you seem to have some interest. Perhaps some foreign animated films that are still made in 2d would interest you.
Eh, aren't the first five films including Snow White among the most acclaimed animated movies of all time. I am puzzled that you would consider it to be a 'struggling stage'. Unless you mean the package films. Or are we judging the films by box-office success only since Pinocchio, Fantasia and Dumbo did under perform in that regard.
And if we are using box-office success as the judge, it's way too early to proclaim this the Third Golden Age. So far, only Tangled has been a financial success. We are still waiting for the results of Wreck it Ralph.
qindarka wrote:Eh, aren't the first five films including Snow White among the most acclaimed animated movies of all time. I am puzzled that you would consider it to be a 'struggling stage'. Unless you mean the package films. Or are we judging the films by box-office success only since Pinocchio, Fantasia and Dumbo did under perform in that regard.
And if we are using box-office success as the judge, it's way too early to proclaim this the Third Golden Age. So far, only Tangled has been a financial success. We are still waiting for the results of Wreck it Ralph.
Actually Dumbo was a huge box office hit, but if you are ranking films based off of box office numbers you should include that each of those films you mentioned were reissued several times and most of the times each reissue would often break Disney's box office records.
Now imagine if Wreck It Ralph were reissued in 10 years......that's what I mean about disposable.
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qindarka wrote:Eh, aren't the first five films including Snow White among the most acclaimed animated movies of all time. I am puzzled that you would consider it to be a 'struggling stage'. Unless you mean the package films. Or are we judging the films by box-office success only since Pinocchio, Fantasia and Dumbo did under perform in that regard.
And if we are using box-office success as the judge, it's way too early to proclaim this the Third Golden Age. So far, only Tangled has been a financial success. We are still waiting for the results of Wreck it Ralph.
Actually Dumbo was a huge box office hit, but if you are ranking films based off of box office numbers you should include that each of those films you mentioned were reissued several times and most of the times each reissue would often break Disney's box office records.
Now imagine if Wreck It Ralph were reissued in 10 years......that's what I mean about disposable.
Oops, I meant Bambi.
I wouldn't make predictions about Wreck-it-Ralph's potential earnings upon being rereleased. Films' cultural impact are a hard thing to judge, regardless of our personal feelings. Of course, cultural impact doesn't necessarily correlate to quality in any case.
Its just me, or it looks like Pixar tried to do Disney (y'know, the princess and magic thing) and Disney's Wreck it Ralph did Pixar with the "what if" premise that looks like Toy Story with videogames??
tweeb² wrote:Its just me, or it looks like Pixar tried to do Disney (y'know, the princess and magic thing) and Disney's Wreck it Ralph did Pixar with the "what if" premise that looks like Toy Story with videogames??
I noticed a lot of people have been saying that but I'm not too sure. Brave felt very much like a Pixar movie to me.
I think that the two studios tried to prove a point to themselves, that they can use the "tricks" of the other one and still their movies will feel like its Disney or Pixar, maybe they done that because prior to that, they tried too hard to be separate studios that felt like crossing enemy lines, probably its John Lasseter's and Ed Catmull's idea.
A lot of guys here said that they felt like John was messing around a lot with the Disney animators and thus breaking all the "Disney Magic", maybe Disney animators themselves said that same thing to him, maybe they even got into nasty fights about it, think about it, Glenn retired, Andreas Deja left the studio, The Robinsons was remade, Bolt was remade, Tangled changed completely, I'm sure that made a lot of animators uneasy, and John went to the extreme scenario.
Just like Pixar got out to ask Brad Bird to do the incredibles and prove that they could produce a Pixar film with an "outsider" director John wanted to prove that Disney could reverse their formula completely, with an "outsider" director to top it and still make it look Disney.
disneyfella wrote:
Hmm...I think I get your point, but I wasn't suggesting Disney expects to franchise this film (though if it is successful that is exactly what they will do), so much as tell a story with specific key elements targeting vastly different demographics in an attempt at pleasing everyone. It is a creative business design approach to an artform like cinema, but inherently is souless.
It is also flawed. If one third of the film is for retro gamers, one third is for Halo crowd, and one third is for the teeny bopper sugar crowd - then most people will ultimately be unmoved by two thirds of the film. The caveat is if you are a diehard Disney fan willing to forgive anything, or if you are a gamer.
What ever happened to telling universal stories where the whole film appeals to the family? Things seemed optimistic after Tangled, but this seems like a step backwards 0_o.
Again, it's simply my opinion and I don't mean to rain on anyone's enjoyment.
It does seem that that the majority of audiences are enjoying this movie, even those who are not hardcore gamers or Disney fans.
Of course, that isn't necessarily a barometer of quality and you are well entitled to have grievances with the movie.
Exactly. My mom enjoyed the movie, and she knows nothing about video games. And considering I'm a bit of a gamer myself, I dont restrict myself to one genre or generation, so I never felt alienated by either of the three genres depicted. I'd actually love to get *all three* of those games if they release them besides Fix It Felix which is already on browsers. the other two for my PS3 if possible.
Hey all. I briefly came back to express some thoughts on the movie. No, I haven't fully seen it yet (I hope to do so later this week), I want to comment on its success. I know A LOT of you will disagree with me on this, but here goes...
I am very, very happy for Ralph's early signs of success. Extremely happy even. The reason why is because Ralph represents a new concept for Disney, a new territory for Disney animation: video games. I know that from the very beginning people were doubting that Disney would be able to create something engaging, especially since video games and film had yet to create something truly significant save for some VERY few shining examples (The King of Kong, and that was a documentary). But the fact that the movie surprised many people, both audiences and critics alike, shows that there IS still passion towards original projects at Disney.
This is VERY important because the common belief is that Disney is not able to create something unique and original on their own and need to leech off of other entities to call them their own (Muppets, Pixar, Marvel and now Lucasfilm). We know that this isn't the case, but considering how their best and most known works are based off of pieces of literature and fiction, it doesn't help. Even worse, whenever Disney DOES go with an original concept, it rarely becomes a success (The Lion King being an exception). So again, the fact that Ralph became a success makes me really happy.
The other reason why Ralph's success makes me giddy is because it has the potential of being a solid franchise for Disney. Disney, at one point, used to be more than pixies, princesses and pirates. They sold almost every movie as being part of a huge family that represented solid to amazing family entertainment. Nowadays, it seems like Disney can't create something without it attaching itself to the princess line or the pirates line. Ralph's early success indicates that Disney can sell a franchise without having it stick to some existing, preconceived series. I've seen people that want to see more of these characters, worlds and stories. That is a good sign to me. This could lead to a Disney sequel the likes of Rescuers Down Under and Toy Story 2. The fact that the production team is more than willing to go ahead with it makes me excited (though like with everything else, it remains to be seen).
In other words, this is the push Disney needed for a while now. For the second year in a row, Disney has the better movie than Pixar (last year Winnie the Pooh garnered better acclaim than Cars 2, though Cars 2 was the better money maker). Yes, Brave was great, but in comparison, Ralph just seems to be universally acclaimed while Brave garnered mainly "meh" reactions. Considering that people believe they have relied on Pixar for too long, seeing a Disney movie be way better received than the Pixar effort is highly encouraging.
Finally, this is a statement that might upset some of you. If some of you are avoiding Wreck-It Ralph because it doesn't represent the Disney you want to see strive, you are missing out on something great. Ralph is not a gorgeous hunk of a prince. Vanellope is not the typical sidekick, and the romance between Felix and Calhoun is not the typical romance you see in Disney movies. Ralph is not your typical Disney movie, and it is successful because of it. Not every movie Disney produces has to be Cinderella, Snow White and Beauty and the Beast. If you think it should, then you are missing the idea of what Disney is.
Disney movies have always been my favorite kind of movies, even as a kid. No matter what story they told, they always took me to places that were beyond my imagination, featuring characters that were engaging, music that was enchanting and stories that always stayed with me, long after the movie ended. Like I said, Disney is more than pixies, princesses and pirates, it is much more. Ralph is a great example of that. It takes us to places beyond our imaginations (video game worlds), with characters that are engaging (video game characters with identity crisis, spunky attitudes but with big hearts) and music that is enchanting (like it or not, the modern music is actually used in context to the movie's setting rather than just adding a pop soundtrack for the heck of it).
Ralph represents a tradition being kept alive with new ideas, technology and execution. If you are deliberately skipping on Ralph because it doesn't star a princess with a dream, a charming prince and a fairy tale setting, then again, you are missing out.
In conclusion, Ralph may not be to everyone's liking, but its success indicates that it may be the kick in the pants Disney needed so badly. The story of Wreck-It Ralph is about a video game character who is believed to just be the bad guy, but with sheer luck and determination, he became something more. Funny enough, the story of Ralph parallels that of current Disney animation, specifically this film. Few believed that Disney could pull off such a film, that they are just the company that rips off other stories and creates pixie, princess and pirate merchandise off of it. But just like Ralph, Disney proved them wrong.
We HAVE to strip ourselves of the notion of what Disney is or what it was once. We have to see Disney as what it is today and enjoy what they do in the right context today, not on what they did 10, 20 or even 60 years ago. Cause if we don't, we might not be able to ever enjoy Disney, even if they are at their peak of creative excellence.
pap64 wrote:The other reason why Ralph's success makes me giddy is because it has the potential of being a solid franchise for Disney. Disney, at one point, used to be more than pixies, princesses and pirates. They sold almost every movie as being part of a huge family that represented solid to amazing family entertainment. Nowadays, it seems like Disney can't create something without it attaching itself to the princess line or the pirates line. Ralph's early success indicates that Disney can sell a franchise without having it stick to some existing, preconceived series. I've seen people that want to see more of these characters, worlds and stories. That is a good sign to me. This could lead to a Disney sequel the likes of Rescuers Down Under and Toy Story 2. The fact that the production team is more than willing to go ahead with it makes me excited (though like with everything else, it remains to be seen).
Not with you on everything, but I agree with this at least. I can see them building a franchise on this film for at least the next decade or two. It might end up losing some interest in the future though, like Aladdin has recently. Still, there's a lot of potential for other video game worlds and characters to draw on in future (and you know there will be sequels).
I would be surprised if anyone thought this wouldn't be successful, though. It followed three films which, imo, have improved Disney's image, Tangled in particular, while also having the same soft and/or colorful look that most successful animated films share these days.
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To add to what Pap said, I do think the fact that it's CGI helped a little.............*crickets*
Um, but yeah, this should signal to Disney to try new things and express other bold ideas.
Also, I do agree that this is one thing that should be franchised. Of course quality is needed, but the gaming industry is a goldmine of ideas for spinoffs, side stories, and sequels with these characters. We've seen war/halo genre, kids' racing game, and old arcade game.
To that, you can add the japanese RPG, American RPG, historical fantasy adventure, hooror games, gta(Disney-fied of course), and so many more.
But, I had a idea that it was *beep*.
I'm also happy for Wreck-It Ralph for the reasons you stated.
