Snow White (Live-Action)
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The point of the story has always been a Queen asked for a child with black hair, red lips and skin white as snow and she got it and that's why she's so beautiful which makes the Queen jealous and want to kill her so she has to hide with seven dwarfs. Yes, people with any color skin are beautiful, they aren't saying only white people are. If you remove the appearance of Snow White you might as well make a movie about The Little Mermaid where the titular star is not half fish and half human.
It is because Zegler's skin is pretty light and she sings and acts well that I do not mind her casting.
It is because Zegler's skin is pretty light and she sings and acts well that I do not mind her casting.

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Duster, that’s not even in the movie. Most people don’t even know that part of the story.Disney Duster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:37 am The point of the story has always been a Queen asked for a child with black hair, red lips and skin white as snow and she got it and that's why she's so beautiful which makes the Queen jealous and want to kill her so she has to hide with seven dwarfs.
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I’m kinda here for this drama. Since this movie should never have been made I might as well enjoy its failure and the absolute chaos that the press tour will be.
You got Rachel Ziegler; an unpopular actress that has pissed off the entire Disney fan base and seems like an industry plant, because she hasn’t gotten roles based off of her popularity with audiences, that’s for sure. Widely seen as a ‘pick-me girl’ with an entitlement complex and an annoying theater-girl personality.
And then Gal Gadot; a talentless Israeli military veteran turned model/actress who couldn’t act her way out of a box. Also shoved down our throats by the studios. I personally still vomit in my mouth a bit at the thought of her ‘imagine’ stunt during Covid. And she’s completely tone-deaf on the ongoing genocide but then so is half the world. The other half however is not going to give her a pass though so expect chaos wherever she goes that includes an audience. Which brings us to the clusterf*ck that will be the press tour.
If they pull off pretending to like each other then they need to receive Oscars straight away.
Disney will deserve the incoming mess for remaking something that should have been sacred.
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I think I should check out of this thread. If I had wanted to see this crap I would have gone to Twitter or Reddit. Exactly the reason why I stopped doing it.
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I always interpreted the story as the Evil Queen being threatened by Snow White's innocence and good heart. That's why I consider her wanting her literal heart to be symbolic. The Evil Queen is a witch who can use magic to change her appearance. If this was just about external beauty and youth, she could have used magic to achieve that. But Snow White's kindness and good nature was something she could never complete with. Snow White's internal beauty would always outshine the Queen's skin-deep beauty, no matter what she tried. That's why the only solution in her eyes was to have her killed.UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:03 pmThe Evil Queen is threatened by Snow White’s youth and beauty.
Sure, Snow White being a pale brunette with red lips is not consequential to the story, but it's part of the fairy tale's iconography and that's important too. It's part of our cultural heritage. People would be upset if Snow White were to be portrayed as a blue-eyed blonde because she wouldn't look like the character they knew from the movie and the original fairy tale.UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:03 pmI know some people are hung up that her name will no longer refer to “skin white as snow,” but again, I don’t think that detail is important in the story.
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I think Sotiris and Umbrella Fish both bring up valid points.
It's kind of a pressure point for me. On the one hand, Snow White's appearance is detailed in the fairy-tale, and that's a thing that connects her back to her original story. On the other hand, in the Grimm's tradition, Rapunzel is named after lettuce. The Disney film completely skips over this completely, and we all got over that easily.
It's kind of a pressure point for me. On the one hand, Snow White's appearance is detailed in the fairy-tale, and that's a thing that connects her back to her original story. On the other hand, in the Grimm's tradition, Rapunzel is named after lettuce. The Disney film completely skips over this completely, and we all got over that easily.
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Fan-made trailer for the live-action Snow White recut in the style of the old home video commercials that used to reference Disney's other past successes:
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I think that’s 100% the symbolism of the story that the reader/viewer is meant to interpret, but I think that in the world of the story, from the Queen’s perspective, it is entirely about outward beauty. And I think that part of the story is very important.Sotiris wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:37 am I always interpreted the story as the Evil Queen being threatened by Snow White's innocence and good heart. That's why I consider her wanting her literal heart to be symbolic. The Evil Queen is a witch who can use magic to change her appearance. If this was just about external beauty and youth, she could have used magic to achieve that. But Snow White's kindness and good nature was something she could never complete with. Snow White's internal beauty would always outshine the Queen's skin-deep beauty, no matter what she tried. That's why the only solution in her eyes was to have her killed.
Fairy tales weren’t written for children, they were usually told and shared among groups of women doing communal tasks and chores. Which I think is why the elements of Snow White involving her youth and beauty are very deliberate— the Evil Queen’s story is a warning about coveting something in another person, but Snow White herself is a warning that people will try to harm you for traits you possess which are out of your control.
This is perhaps not the most satisfying answer, but I think the reason the Evil Queen doesn’t magic herself to be more beautiful than Snow White is simply because it doesn’t work that way in the real world. If the Queen magicked herself young again, it would turn into a fish out of water story where she’s wearing ankle socks and all the cool kids are wearing crew socks. The Queen like all of us got older, and felt less valued, and chose the path of destroying a younger person, instead of taking out her anger with the society who devalues her maturity. The Queen’s downfall is part of the message, part of the warning: if you can’t come to terms with your aging, you may destroy yourself.
It’s such a rich story, which is why I love it. Obviously, what she does is evil, but I have a lot of sympathy for the Evil Queen. I’ve always thought her motives were a lot more relatable than Maleficent, who should have seen the blessing in not being invited to a social event.
There are so many versions of the same fairy tales found in different cultures. I think because the plots are simple, but the themes are innately human and universal. The earliest recorded version of Snow White actually isn’t the Grimm version, but a telling from Italy. Many fairy tales have remained relevant only because they are flexible to adaptation: things change based on the culture of where and when the story is being told. Walt understood that pretty well, I think. The filmmakers here may make some boneheaded decisions, but I just don’t think casting a non-white actress is one of them and I think people need to get over it.Sotiris wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:37 am Sure, Snow White being a pale brunette with red lips is not consequential to the story, but it's part of the fairy tale's iconography and that's important too. It's part of our cultural heritage. People would be upset if Snow White were to be portrayed as a blue-eyed blonde because she wouldn't look like the character they knew from the movie and the original fairy tale.
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Ok, I get what you mean, but the part about Snow White having hair black as ebony, red lips, and skin white as snow is in the movie, not just kept in the title character's appearance, but also when the Magic Mirror describes her. Walt thought it was important to keep this detail, so would you say he was wrong for doing so? Even this remake is keeping the visuals similar to the original, even in casting Zegler who is light-skinned but has black hair (I never noticed if they gave her red lips, but I am guessing they did?).UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:43 amDuster, that’s not even in the movie. Most people don’t even know that part of the story.Disney Duster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:37 am The point of the story has always been a Queen asked for a child with black hair, red lips and skin white as snow and she got it...
PatchofBlue, yes, Rapunzel was named after lettuce, but it was lettuce that also has purple flowers. In the film, Rapunzel is born from her mother drinking tea made from a flower (you will probably say the flower is gold and not purple, and I am at work so I can't go looking for movie clips of the flower to check, but in some concept art and even a fake flower used to promote the film, the flower was purple with gold light on it).
As for the Queen not magicking herself younger or more beautiful, it was because she wanted to believe she was beautiful as she was, that she didn't need magic to make herself beautiful. She wanted to be truly the fairest and not use magic for it.

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And we don't have to forget that she died as an old and ugly woman. You can take this as a moral message. No matter What you do to stay beautiful, everybody is going to die old because the physical appereance use to dissapear and in this case she had a death as horrible as her personality.
I wouldn't say that the Queen is jealous of Snow's good heart. In Cinderella Lady Tremaine was jealous of Cinderella's good heart and personality but I think that is not the case on Snow White. Queen's feelings are more simple, more human. Talking about somebody's Beauty or about their deffects are something very common. People use to judge other persons because of their physical appareance and I always saw the fairy tale as a story that teach us that we don't have to be jealous of other's appareance.
Remember kids. If your stepdaughter is more younger and pretty than you don't kill her (if She’s older than you then it means that you are in a relationship with a suggar daddy).
I wouldn't say that the Queen is jealous of Snow's good heart. In Cinderella Lady Tremaine was jealous of Cinderella's good heart and personality but I think that is not the case on Snow White. Queen's feelings are more simple, more human. Talking about somebody's Beauty or about their deffects are something very common. People use to judge other persons because of their physical appareance and I always saw the fairy tale as a story that teach us that we don't have to be jealous of other's appareance.
Remember kids. If your stepdaughter is more younger and pretty than you don't kill her (if She’s older than you then it means that you are in a relationship with a suggar daddy).

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Right, Thumper_93! Lady Tremaine was jealous of Cinderella's goodness combined with her beauty, but Snow White's Queen only saw how beautiful her stepdaughter was. She was too vain to notice her goodness.
I found the flower pictures I was thinking of! The promotional fake flower actually looks more pink, and in the concept art it is clearly golden, but in the film itself, you can see the purple on the parts of the petals closest to the stamen.

I found the flower pictures I was thinking of! The promotional fake flower actually looks more pink, and in the concept art it is clearly golden, but in the film itself, you can see the purple on the parts of the petals closest to the stamen.


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My dad is moroccan and my mother is a half romani spaniard, I don't think it's that difficult to understand the concept of a mixed person.Lele wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:48 amPokenonbinary wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:09 am
God why you're so obsessed with whitewashing your own country, most people in spain look like Rachel Zegler, its not our fault you look nordic
*meme de Maria La Piedra diciendo en Salvame "no es mi culpa si eres pobre"
Yes there are blonde blue eyed spaniards, but most of the country is people with dark hair, brown or black eyes and olive skin
To everybody else who's not spaniard, there's this obsession in social media from white nordic looking spaniards to pretend that they're the only type of spaniard, when the teaser from Wish came out a neonazi (yes she was one) named Cynthia or something very non-spanish said that she was pale and redhead and didn't felt represented with Asha, and all the quote tweets were spaniards saying our skin tone is closer to Asha than to Cynthia (a woman who identified as a viking, very spaniard lol)
And even if Rachel Zegler looked romani (there's not a single look) there are 2 million romani spaniards so keep crying if you hate calós, we will keep existing
(And sorry for making so many different posts, I don't know how to edit the original post with the quotes from other users, in my phone is difficult compared to a computer)
Previously you said youself you're only half spanish and half african/arab. If anything looks like you are trying to blackwash anything european.
Not surprising you were literally fangirling over a period where spain was colonized and r/ped by africans and arabs.
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I agree with other users, the story is about ageism and how women are meant to fight in the patriarchal society, and not about being pale, Snow White is supposed to be more attractive just because she's young and a new fresh face.
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I had a mixed reaction to the trailer. I thought the first part with the cottage and the dwarfs at a distance was really pretty. But the scene with Zegler singing around the table looked terrible, although I expect I might buy the soundtrack at least. I thought I'd like the dress from what we'd seen of it before, but there's something about it that's a little too garish. Still, I'd take a poor re-creation of the original film's outfit over a bunch of even uglier new outfits like what happened with TLM.
I feel a little disappointed about the Queen, the costume is so form-fitting. I don't know, I still expect Gadot will be the only interesting thing to see beyond the music with this one. But the Queen isn't one of my favorite villains anyway, I guess, so that isn't saying much.
I feel a little disappointed about the Queen, the costume is so form-fitting. I don't know, I still expect Gadot will be the only interesting thing to see beyond the music with this one. But the Queen isn't one of my favorite villains anyway, I guess, so that isn't saying much.

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The trailer has reached 1 million dislikes:


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The same argument was made when the live-action Little Mermaid trailer got disliked into oblivion and the film did end up underperforming.Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:31 amThis means anything when the people disliking the video are not even the target audience for the movie? Like are reddit and 4chan dudebros a big number of people paying to see disney princesses live action movies?
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Exactly. This movie was mase for a general audience and not only for a specific group of people. If this would work like that Disney would be broke from years.Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 7:54 amThe same argument was made when the live-action Little Mermaid trailer got disliked into oblivion and the film did end up underperforming.Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:31 amThis means anything when the people disliking the video are not even the target audience for the movie? Like are reddit and 4chan dudebros a big number of people paying to see disney princesses live action movies?
They don't only earn money from fans. They earn money from undecided people who go to theater and don't know what to see, from parents who take their childrens to watch the movie and buy them merchandise, from people that go to watch it because of nostalgia...if the general audience, the same one that see the trailer in youtube, are not happy about what the trailer shows then they are probably not going to spend their money on it.
People are not happy about it and that's a fact. Maybe Disney's fans are happy but outside this group of people is obvious that there's a weird feeling about all this project.
I have the same feeling that I had with TLM. People complaining all the time with Halle, making jokes, giving dislikes to all the trailers, making tiktoks talking about all the problems that the movie is having...I think that is going to be worst than with TLM.
Maybe this is the flop that Disney needs to stop making LA and stuff that people don't care about.

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I don't think I know a single person who is excited for this film. Even given the contentious discourse around the Disney remakes as a whole, and even given the politics around racebending a Disney Princess, everyone I know or interact with is either checked out of the conversation or outright repulsed by it. I'd find that validating, except that I'm certain the collateral will have long-term effects on Disney, and probably not the kind dedicated Disney fans will find encouraging.
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I don't know someone who's excited for it in my social circle too.PatchofBlue wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:55 am I don't think I know a single person who is excited for this film. Even given the contentious discourse around the Disney remakes as a whole, and even given the politics around racebending a Disney Princess, everyone I know or interact with is either checked out of the conversation or outright repulsed by it. I'd find that validating, except that I'm certain the collateral will have long-term effects on Disney, and probably not the kind dedicated Disney fans will find encouraging.
I'm sorry for what this is going to mean for Disney but they've been years withour listening to their fans. They have been making projects that nobody asked for instead of create new and interesiting things. Let's see how this thing ends but I think that this could be the end of the LA films.

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There's not much they can do after Snow White, Lilo and Stitch, Moana and Hercules anyway. Only their second tier films from the 70s-80s and the 2000s and I don't think anyone is really interested in them. They'll probably do Princess and the Frog and Tangled by the end of the decade.Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:59 pmLet's see how this thing ends but I think that this could be the end of the LA films.