Wreck-It Ralph (formerly Reboot Ralph)

[RyGuy]

Pinocchio is nice enough, but what's with the endless display of clocks in Geppetto's shop and how they all work? It's like "We get it. He makes clocks. Move on already!"

I don't want to turn this into a Pinocchio discussion, but that seems like a pretty minute detail and frankly rather nitpicky reason to not get for the film , especially since most of the story doesn't even take place in Geppeto's home.

My beef with it is the pace . . . it just drags in many parts. This is just the first example that comes to mind.

It's not that the film is bad or that I dislike it . . . it's just not one of my favorites.

[RyGuy]

Ironically, the two films you hold up as standards - Pinocchio and Bambi are among the two I enjoy least.

They are the standards; whether I or you personally like them is not the issue. Those two alone are also fairly different from one another, so I don't think anyone's saying they should make movies just like them either. There's no need to tear two better-made films down to benefit another.

I didn't think I was tearing Pinocchio or Bambi down; I was just stating the basis for why they are among the DACs I enjoy least. Apologies if my comments offended you.

I hadn't heard that these films were the "standard" before your comment. I guess I'd be curious know who dubbed them so and the basis on which they did so.

It wouldn't be the first time I didn't "get" a film that everyone else seemed to think was genius

[estefan]

Oh, okay. Pinocchio is one of my favourites, but that is a legitimate reason for not caring for it.

[Disney's Divinity]

Apologies if my comments offended you.

Your personal tastes don't offend me.

[qindarka]

Ironically, the two films you hold up as standards - Pinocchio and Bambi are among the two I enjoy least.

They are the standards; whether I or you personally like them is not the issue. Those two alone are also fairly different from one another, so I don't think anyone's saying they should make movies just like them either. There's no need to tear two better-made films down to benefit another.

Why should personal preferences not matter?

I presume movies like Snow White and Fantasia would also be comparable to those two you mentioned.

[ajmrowland]

I'm with you Divinity. I know I'm in a minority here, but Wreck It Ralph is one of the most disposable Disney animated films I've seen. Despite what I'm hearing from other people, I think it lacked total heart and was more of an obvious attempt at making money than telling a good story or making good art. In 10 years Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty will still resonate with familes.....Wreck It Ralph - not so much.

Having not seen the film yet, I can’t really comment on the quality (or lack thereof), but I agree it seems to be a very by-the-numbers movie. I think there was an article not too long ago that stated Jane Lynch’s character’s world was made for boys and Sugar Rush was for girls--I find that very calculated, tbh, the opposite of creativity. I will say that it looks relatively flavorless, somewhere around a 2 or 3 out of 5, harmless but uninspired.

But you're not raining on anyone's parade. It's nice to hear more opinions.

I see both points, but the movie is still very good, and Disneyfella, I think you're wrong. The movie did not preach it's heart out, but it showed in almost every scene(in context of course) and the humor-potty humor aside-was really well done and so was the storytelling. I do see it not being regarded as a classic in 10-15 years, but it was far from feeling like simpy a plug for a franchise(which was obvious two years ago, when disney started sticking to franchise films).

[ajmrowland]

I actually felt Wreck-It Ralph took some rather unexpected turns. Even though the trailer gave a basic idea of Vanellope's sad story, they really took it to another level and the pathos was not something I expected. The portrayal of the villain was also unpredictable.

Oh,yes the villian,just so you know I think Turbo/King Candy is one of the most despicable and selfish disney villians ever put out.Heck,he even beats out Mother Gothel in being a self absorbed prick.King Candy/Turbo is a complete monster in my book and deserves no pity because of his own desire to be the center of attention even when it comes at the misery of others.

I know, but the pathos was really interesting and complex regarding justifications of the actions of said villain.

[ajmrowland]

Ironically, the two films you hold up as standards - Pinocchio and Bambi are among the two I enjoy least. Pinocchio is nice enough, but what's with the endless display of clocks in Geppetto's shop and how they all work? It's like "We get it. He makes clocks. Move on already!" And Bambi gets my vote as most boring DAC ever (though in fairness, I didn't first see it until I was 14 so I didn't grow up watching it and it holds zero nostalgia for me).

I cant really argue for Bambi, but the point about Gheppetto's clocks wasnt so much about the clocks themselves but that each one was different and the overall atmosphere was a small place of warmth in the cold cruel world. Remove the clocks, and the movie wouldnt have as much time to make that point before the Villains parade. And it's nostalgic.

[DisneyEra]

Just saw the film & I liked what I saw. The characters were the film's strong points. The finale was really well done. The things I didn't like was in Hero's Duty, it could of been a litter longer! And the sugar rush racers pretty much had NO part in the overall story! They could of had a few more parts other than destroying vanellopee's cart & crying after the finale! Reminds me of the Stabbington brothers & Pub Thugs of Tangled, They weren't main characters, but atleast they had some major parts in that film! Jubileena had only one speaking role! It's clear the racers were not really mean, just under King Candy/Turbo's control. The CY_Bugs had a more effective role than the racers did. But then again, they were not main characters, maybe they were just there for eye-candy . I wish the film lots of repeat business & wins all the major awards: oscars, golden globes, ect. I've been following this film since I first saw images back in August 2011, it's been fun! Now it's time for "Frozen"! The 2nd Disney renaissance is upon us. TURBO-TASTIC!

[Jules]

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/what- ... 72877.html

I'm of the idea that Rich Moore was joking, but if he wasn't, then I'm a little disappointed in him.

[PatrickvD]

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/what- ... 72877.html

I'm of the idea that Rich Moore was joking, but if he wasn't, then I'm a little disappointed in him.

Thought it was pretty funny.

[Sotiris]

I'm of the idea that Rich Moore was joking, but if he wasn't, then I'm a little disappointed in him.

It was a joke but one of those that are half-truths. I think he believes that to some degree.

[Jules]

I'm of the idea that Rich Moore was joking, but if he wasn't, then I'm a little disappointed in him.

It was a joke but one of those that are half-truths. I think he believes that to some degree.

So you mean he's probably a little irritated by DreamWorks (or what they did in the past), but never said so, but now he sort of got it off his chest by implying it in the form of a joke? This way, no-one can actually accuse him of attacking DreamWorks. He can always say he was just joking.

If he did mean it, I wonder to whom the criticism was being aimed. At fellow artists (of whom he says he has plenty of friends), or interfering business executives? Basically, who did the "stealing" in the past?

Thought it was pretty funny.

It made me laugh too. Had I not read the user comments I would have left the website thinking Moore was just poking some innocent fun at DreamWorks, which is OK.

[estefan]

I think it's obvious Moore is joking. The tone in the comment sounds very tongue-in-cheek. While the studio executives may constantly be at each other's throat (it's well-known that Lasseter and Katzenberg aren't particularly fond of each other), the animators and directors have many friends working at various studios and have respect for one another. To name a related example, Rich Moore's friend from "The Simpsons", David Silverman, worked at DreamWorks for a while (mainly on Road to El Dorado).

[PatrickvD]

Well it's not very surprising that Lasseter isn't very fond of Katzenberg. The damage done by Antz is irreversible.

Though many of Disney, PIXAR and Dreamworks' talent switches between studios nowadays so I doubt anyone at Disney or Dreamworks aside from Lasseter and Katzenberg would hold a grudge against anyone.

[Sotiris]

If he did mean it, I wonder to whom the criticism was being aimed. At fellow artists (of whom he says he has plenty of friends), or interfering business executives? Basically, who did the "stealing" in the past?

My guess it was aimed at Katzenberg. Apparently, Lasseter still holds a grudge about the whole Antz/A Bug's Life debacle. Rich Moore was an outsider, he had only worked in TV before and didn't have any affiliation to either Disney or Pixar until 2008 when Lasseter invited him to join the studio and direct Wreck-It Ralph.

Katzenberg in his attempt to get back at Eisner did something morally questionable. He later tried to make amends with Lassetter and Steve Jobs to no avail. But since then Jeffrey has matured and become a better person and a better executive. He respects artists, treats them right, and has come to trust their creative instincts and offer them more creative freedom. It's no wonder that DreamWorks has become the best studio to work for in the industry. On the contrary, Lasseter appears to have remained bitter with an inflated ego and an authoritarian leadership.

[Jules]

But since then Jeffrey has matured and become a better person and a better executive. He respects artists, treats them right, and has come to trust their creative instincts and offer them more creative freedom. It's no wonder that DreamWorks has become the best studio to work for in the industry.

About six years ago, when I joined this site, I used to make fun of Katzenberg and was under the impression he was like the devil incarnate. Since then, my opinion of him has really changed, and now I even think he looks like a really pleasant guy to have a chat with. Honestly, if I had to meet him in the street I'd readily start a conversation with him. I firmly believe the claims made that DW is the ideal place for animators.

So Lasseter and Jobs are (or were) still miffed at Katzenberg? As in they don't speak to each other?

[disneyfella]

I see both points, but the movie is still very good, and Disneyfella, I think you're wrong. The movie did not preach it's heart out, but it showed in almost every scene(in context of course) and the humor-potty humor aside-was really well done and so was the storytelling. I do see it not being regarded as a classic in 10-15 years, but it was far from feeling like simpy a plug for a franchise(which was obvious two years ago, when disney started sticking to franchise films).

Hmm...I think I get your point, but I wasn't suggesting Disney expects to franchise this film (though if it is successful that is exactly what they will do), so much as tell a story with specific key elements targeting vastly different demographics in an attempt at pleasing everyone. It is a creative business design approach to an artform like cinema, but inherently is souless.

It is also flawed. If one third of the film is for retro gamers, one third is for Halo crowd, and one third is for the teeny bopper sugar crowd - then most people will ultimately be unmoved by two thirds of the film. The caveat is if you are a diehard Disney fan willing to forgive anything, or if you are a gamer.

What ever happened to telling universal stories where the whole film appeals to the family? Things seemed optimistic after Tangled, but this seems like a step backwards 0_o.

Again, it's simply my opinion and I don't mean to rain on anyone's enjoyment.

[DisneyEra]

I see both points, but the movie is still very good, and Disneyfella, I think you're wrong. The movie did not preach it's heart out, but it showed in almost every scene(in context of course) and the humor-potty humor aside-was really well done and so was the storytelling. I do see it not being regarded as a classic in 10-15 years, but it was far from feeling like simpy a plug for a franchise(which was obvious two years ago, when disney started sticking to franchise films).

Hmm...I think I get your point, but I wasn't suggesting Disney expects to franchise this film (though if it is successful that is exactly what they will do), so much as tell a story with specific key elements targeting vastly different demographics in an attempt at pleasing everyone. It is a creative business design approach to an artform like cinema, but inherently is souless.

It is also flawed. If one third of the film is for retro gamers, one third is for Halo crowd, and one third is for the teeny bopper sugar crowd - then most people will ultimately be unmoved by two thirds of the film. The caveat is if you are a diehard Disney fan willing to forgive anything, or if you are a gamer.

What ever happened to telling universal stories where the whole film appeals to the family? Things seemed optimistic after Tangled, but this seems like a step backwards 0_o.

Again, it's simply my opinion and I don't mean to rain on anyone's enjoyment.

Than what crowd is "Rise of the Guardians" for? The avenger crowd? People with tattoos? Or maybe the critics, since it's been winning all those no name awards before its release. The main point of Ralph was the relationship between it's characters. But the Box Office will tell witch film the mainstream crowd likes more.

[AladdinFan]

Saw this movie over the weekend and loved it!
Disney are stepping up their game. PATF, Tangled, and now Wreck-It Ralph. Can't wait for the next Disney Animation movie.