Cinderella Discussion

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:09 pm

I agree. Of the 3 Walt-era princesses, Cinderella is my favorite, and the one who definitely shows the most personality and strength. She's practical, level-headed, intelligent, and sweet. I do feel really bad for her, since it seems that she got the worst of the 3 Walt-era princes....

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:11 pm

Margos wrote:I do feel really bad for her, since it seems that she got the worst of the 3 Walt-era princes....

At least he doesn't wear lipstick like Melvin. ;P

albert

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:32 pm

Escapay wrote:
Margos wrote:I do feel really bad for her, since it seems that she got the worst of the 3 Walt-era princes....
At least he doesn't wear lipstick like Melvin. ;P

albert

True, but at least SWP has the energy, stamina, and devotion to search for months for some girl. Charming can't even be bothered to look for his own girlfriend for one day.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:56 pm

True, but in the sequel (*gasp*), Charming gets to play with swords!

albert

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:02 pm

Escapay wrote:True, but in the sequel (*gasp*), Charming gets to play with swords!

albert

But I don't think that really counts as canon.....

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:03 pm

It's canon to me, and only my canon counts. Ask Walt at the next DA meeting.

albert

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:25 pm

!

It's almost like a dream come true people are saying how much they like Cinderella's character now and say she has smarts and personality. I would love to know the reasons people felt she is smart, unless they can't explain any specific examples, it is just how she acts and comes across, you can just tell. Probably similar to how people think Belle is smart.

By the way, Cinderella's prince was passive, and since some people think Cinderella was passive, they are a good match in that way. See, the man is equal to or actually even less than the woman in this film. But Cinderella and the Prince are both children who are still ruled by their parents (stepmother, king) forced to do things they don't want to (chores, ball).

Super Aurora, how long had it been since you watched the movie? I'm just wondering if some of the reason people don't think much of Cinderella is because they haven't seen it recently so they don't pick up on the little things in it that make it, and the character, so good. And I hope you didn't just watch it and like her just for me or because of my constant Cinderella talk, lol.

Another person at another place said they found Cinderella intuitive. And another reviewer said she is like Belle, too. They even have similar French tales, settings, time periods, and looks.

I'm glad people find her smart, even though there are things people have said make her not. Like believing her family would be nice to her, not knowing the Prince was the Prince, and giving away that she was at the ball to be locked up.

To this, however, I point out that in the original Beauty and the Beast, Belle was so kind and loving that she fell for her wicked sister's trickery when they pretended to be nice to her so she wouldn't go back to the Beast where she was getting such good treatment. There were lots of guys who were dressed up similarly to the Prince at the ball, and she didn't see him getting bowed to before he danced with her. And when Cinderella was locked up, she was in a dream state over a guy who just announced he wanted to marry her and she could escape her life. She wasn't aware of or cared at all what was going on around her, and didn't think they would be that evil. She believed people were good deep down.

Cinderella just acts and comes off as smart to me, as well as showing she's knows what's up and how to do things/get what she wants at times, and maybe this is the inexplainable reason why people find Belle smart, because of the way she acts, she just comes off that way. And sees more in the Beast. And wants more in life than a simple village. And reads. But Cinderella wanted more sophisticated things, too.

Ilene Woods did say, pap, that she thought Cinderella wanted first to go to the ball, and then wanted the Prince, and the film seems to show this.

But then it's very weird that Walt said when Prince Charming didn't com along for Cinderella, she went to the ball and got him!

The only sense I can make of it is that Cinderella's dream was pretty much just to be happy or find any love, so she was kind to her stepsisters hoping they would be kind to her, and when they weren't, the prince and glass slipper was what she used next to be happy.

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:15 pm

Disney Duster wrote:
Super Aurora, how long had it been since you watched the movie? I'm just wondering if some of the reason people don't think much of Cinderella is because they haven't seen it recently so they don't pick up on the little things in it that make it, and the character, so good. And I hope you didn't just watch it and like her just for me or because of my constant Cinderella talk, lol.

Well I saw the movie recently like week ago or so. And no I didn't say those things because of you. I did know you will respond to them though. I will point out two things

one from your post, I don't think Cinderella believe her step sisters would at some point be nice to her. She live with them all her life. From child to Adult. I think by time during movie, She knows they are hopeless bitches. If she really believe they be good again, they would make Cinderella fall under to department Snow White suffer from: naivety. From way I see it, Cinderella is not naive and has street smarts tactics in her endurance and tolerance. Cinderella is type has a lot of common sense and good judgment.

My second thing I'm bringing up is another opinion on her.
I really don't like Cinderella's ball gown. I prefer her in her more simplistic dresses as her work one, and even one from Twist in time:

and enchanted tales preview:

I find her more appealing in those outfits.

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:05 am

I have some unfortunate news to report. Ilene Woods, the voice of Cinderella, has passed away.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=67494

Disney Legend Ilene Woods, who voiced Cinderella in the 1950 classic, has passed away at the age of 81. Woods was born on May 5, 1929 in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, U.S.A. and was both a singer and actress.

Woods started acting at two years old. When she was 14, she was given her own radio show on the new station called The Blue Network on ABC Radio during the summer of 1944. A lot of songwriters came on the show to present their music to her, which is how she became friends with Mack David and Jerry Livingston.

David and Livingston asked her to record a few of their most recent written songs for a movie. They also wanted her not just to record them, but to sing them. Soon the songs were presented to Walt Disney so it could be used in the animated Cinderella. She won the role against more than 300 other auditioning girls.

UmbrellaFish · Post by **UmbrellaFish** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:32 am

RIP Ilene.

You'll always be the one and only Cinderella to me.

TheSequelOfDisney · Post by **TheSequelOfDisney** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:39 am

That's so sad. I always loved just listening to her voice in Cinderella. She was definitely magical. RIP.

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:06 am

Rip, Ilene. I don't even know what to say- I read it this morning, and it's sad.

SmartAleck25 · Post by **SmartAleck25** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:52 am

This is sad. RIP, Ilene, and thanks for creating the perfect voice for one of the most enduring heroines of the Disney industry.

Want2beBelle · Post by **Want2beBelle** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:33 am

That's so sad

, may she R.I.P., I hope she had a great life. She will Always be known as "Cinderella" and will never be forgotten

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:14 am

Oh my gosh, I can't believe this....

RIP, Ilene.

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:57 am

I decided to review the movie for my blog Filmstrip Memories. I don't know if I did justice to the movie since I wrote it just now, but Ilene Woods's passing was too much for me to NOT review the movie, so I hope you enjoy it:
http://filmstripmemories.blogspot.com/2 ... -1950.html

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:27 pm

I was waiting for a while after Ilene's passing before responding to this...

Super Aurora, I meant how long had it been since you last saw Cinderella to feel differently about her character and make a post? That's what I meant. How long had it been before the last time you watched it.

Also, two things about what we were debating. Well, one is that in the film, Cinderella says that "there must be something good" about Lucifer and to "learn to like cats" and "we must try to get along together" and I think it was very subtley implying she was talking about how she had to see the good in her stepfamily and get along with them, and that she may have thought they would be good to her one day. Not like she's naive, but that she kept on hoping that they would be good to her if she was good to them, someday. I think they even got along with her as much as they did because she was good to them, doing so much for them.

Also, in the book "The Disney Villain" by Walt animators Frank and Ollie, they mentioned a line that didn't make it into the film when Lady Tremaine tells Cinderella she can go to the ball if she does what she asks her to do and Cinderella says, "I know you'll be proud of me" and this made me think that either at one point early in her character development, or perhaps still in the character but not mentioned out loud in the film, Cinderella was hoping to please her stepmother so she would love her and they could all be a happy family. I still don't think it makes her naive, I think she was very aware they were mean people and that what she was doing may not work, but she was hoping for the best, they might change one day.

Also, in the original fairy tale the films credits say the film is based on Cinderella's very obviously wanting love from her stepsisters.

But I can understand you disregarding those last two things because they aren't in the film. Cinderella certainly shows disdain for her family and I think she very well could have been looking outside of them for a way out, for a way to happiness all that time.

Also, I agree Cinderella looks more inviting and even kind of cooler in her work clothes and that is what she is wearing in most of the movie, it's what she wears during most of the time she shows personality, and why I respond very much to those images of her. But her ball gown is what she perosnally wants to wear the most, she just loves it, and she does still show her personality in it at the ball, especially trying to think of how to escape the Prince. I also personally do like that dress the most out of any disney outfit or any dress.

I noticed you also prefer Aurora in her peasant outfit as well.

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:35 pm

Top picture. Halo. Coincidence?

http://thedisneyprincess.tumblr.com/post/791636531

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:38 pm

Amy...did you not see what I put in the thread about her death? But the halo in the film also represents her purity, her goodness, her holiness, and possibly even the goodness and holiness of the fairy godmother who's like a miracle-making angel. But probably more Cinderella's goodness.

UmbrellaFish · Post by **UmbrellaFish** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:29 am

It's funny because I never noticed the halo above Cinderella in the transformation scene until recently. Now, I have a feeling every time I watch the movie, that particular tidbit is going to stick out the most.

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