How Cinderella's 2005 Release was Restored Very Wrongly

[SWillie!]

Oh sorry Duster! Yeah I don't really know where I would even start. I don't know if you're friends with Don Hahn on Facebook, but you could try contacting him. Also, I know a lady named Becky Cline is the director of the archives- I assume she's involved with the restorations. I don't know how, but I you could contact her that would probably be a great place to start.

[Elladorine]

erasing part of a film? When did anything get erased.

Take a look at the seventh image down on this page: http://members.chello.nl/h.h.j.f.beens/ ... HSvsBD.jpg

Look at her arms, and look at her dress. Almost every ink line in the dress has simply been erased by the paint job- the folds in the cloth are non existent. The ink lines separating her arms from her dress have also been erased.

I put the images closer together and enlarged them slightly, perhaps it will help illustrate:

[Sky Syndrome]

The skirt looks like it's made of taffy instead of cloth.

[bradhig]

So a few lines got taken out. I am going to get the Blu-Ray.

[SWillie!]

So a few lines got taken out. I am going to get the Blu-Ray.

Jeez, you're being really stubborn. I'm not trying to boycott the bluray. Im just trying to explain the mistakes and you keep making it seem like we're all crazy.

[Mooky]

Me thinks someone is trolling...

[Elladorine]

Since Disney did such a great restoration on Cinderella, I've asked them to restore one of my drawings, which was in dire need of repair:



There! Good as new.

[SWillie!]

Huh. That didn't occur to me. Lol... That hasn't happened around here in a long time! Guess my guard's down, if that's the case haha

Hahhahaa enigmawing... That's great. Good thing you left it to the professionals!

[Disney Duster]

Could I get in contact with Don Hahn's Facebook and Becky then?

But bradhig isn't a troll, he's just very different from us and I think he wants to enjoy the movie by pretending there aren't any mistakes and everything's good.

[SWillie!]

You can certainly try sending a message to Don on FB... I have no idea if he would answer, but he's pretty active on his account, so it couldn't hurt to try. As for Becky, you might start by searching to see if you can maybe find her email address through LinkedIn or something.

If I wasn't looking to get into the company professionally, I'd help you out a little more. But at least for now I want to keep my professional contacts and my concerns as a fan separate. If and when I do find myself working there, I'll try my best to get involved with this kind of stuff, since I have always been interested in the treatment of the classics.

[Disney Duster]

You're awesome. Then as soon as the Blu-ray's officially out, I'll try Mr. Hahn and Ms. Cline. I can't thank you enough for offering me their suggestions, though I don't know what LinkedIn is.

enigmawing, that is so awesomely hilarious. I actually want to thank you for taking the time to make a joke that really points out the problems! You did it like what they did so well it's perfect lol. Oh wait, or would they have given her brighter blonder hair? lol

[PatrickvD]

Since Disney did such a great restoration on Cinderella, I've asked them to restore one of my drawings, which was in dire need of repair:

I love how her hand pretty much disappears

[SWillie!]

LinkedIn is a social networking tool for professionals. You can upload your resume and work experience and what jobs you're interested in. Most of Disneys employees have an account. Often if you just search "LinkedIn (persons name)" you can find at least some sort of contact info. You might have to make an account to see some things.

[bradhig]

I learned a long time ago not complain about such things. I got banned off another disney forum for it years ago by other people's hate. I see the same thing happening again more people complaining. Disney doesn't care what any of use say.

[SWillie!]

That's not always true, or they wouldn't issue replacements fixing select issues. They DO listen, they just don't always act. I say it's better to bring issues to light (notice I did not use the word complain) than to pretend they don't exist.

[Disney Duster]

Thanks Swillie. I tried Googling LinkedIn and her name and that didn't give anything. I think Don Hahn's a better bet, I won't have to go becoming part of LinkedIn.

I forgot to say, Marky, I agree with you on the sources of light, I just don't know for sure if Disney really intended them to have those light effects. I think they did, to me it looks like they did, but I don't know.

[MattDean]

Having been a Disney fan for many years, this 'restoration' has planted a seed of big doubt!

I've read and, in some ways, understood the views of people who aren't concerned by these 'changes' - but for me it's now a case of whether I'm viewing the original Disney hand painted cells and backgrounds, by the original artists, or whether I am seeing a neatly done paint job. Anyone could easily workout how a computer program could effectively 'read' the outlines (most of the time!) of troubled areas and fill with 'new paint' to provide a clean, bright colour.

When a live action film is being restored, if done carefully, colours are corrected to reflect the original presentation and to aid consistent colour timing, unnecessary grain is reduced without effecting detail, and print damage is corrected by grabbing info from other frames....restorers do not give a character 'new skin' or a 'new outfit' from a digital file.

I recently received 101 Dalmations on blu ray, and although I believe it to be the same master as the previous Platinum, I started to wonder whether this was a paint job. It all seems so clean - too clean. Where are the brush strokes? The grain? Is this the work of the original animators or a clean up & paint tool?

Disney is praised for its restorations but are we viewing the actual films?

Disney is well aware that recent animation is bold, bright and 'flawless' - as others have mentioned, perhaps these 'restorations' are to keep new viewers interested. Would a seven year old girl really want to watch animation from the 50's with all its native, natural, attributes?

I want the real Disney on blu. Restored, yes, but not redone!

Matt

[DancingCrab]

This is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I've kind of lost interest in the DE Blu-Ray coming out.

Yes, it's more or less the same great movie, but now that I have this info in my head, it's going to ruin the viewing experience for me, the same way the missing clouds takes me out of the moment in The Lion King. I know the mistake is there now, and I can't help anticipating it as I'm watching.

Have I mentioned how NERVOUS I am that there are going to be artistic changes made to The Little Mermaid during it's 3D conversion for next year?

[jpanimation]

Just another Disney Blu-ray I'll be skipping. I just don't see the point of investing in a Blu-ray when all the fine details have been painted over. Just looks like a sharper version of the DVD. I'll rent it from the library or watch it on YouTube if I get the urge.

[rodis]

Have I mentioned how NERVOUS I am that there are going to be artistic changes made to The Little Mermaid during it's 3D conversion for next year?

I have a gut they're gonna shelve the 3D idea and just go ahead and release it on Blu Ray as is (like Cinderella's was lifted right from the DVD, urgh).

It's like they did zero effort on that one. It deserves better for crying out loud.