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Semaj wrote:I've seen how some celebs, particularly a certain Dreamgirl changed themselves to look "prettier". They just looked better when they were thick.
There's also people in my real life, including my girlfriend who aren't of the standard hourglass shape, but are cute and pretty nonetheless. There's more to the story of true feminine beauty than what movies dare to show us.

You should be proud. :)
The thing is that it's not always about vanity, it's about being comfortable in one's own skin and especially being healthy. :) I still agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm not familiar enough with Jennifer Hudson to comment, but speaking strictly for myself, I'm in a pretty decent place right now and am proud to be where I am. But being an apple shape (as opposed to being an hourglass or pear) is the most medically dangerous shape to be in when one is obese, because it carries the burden of having a higher risk of heart disease and stroke. :( And on a side note, it's really, really hard to find jeans that fit me properly since they're always designed for bigger hips than what I've been blessed with. :lol:

And being a smaller size is just physically easier. Easier to get around, easier to find clothes that fit well, easier to have the energy to live life to its fullest. I know this from experience. ;) And don't get me wrong, I'm still "thick" and will probably always be . . . and I'm totally cool with that. I just want to be healthier and happier . . . and I don't want to die way too young like my mom did. :cry:
Disney's Divinity wrote:I know this is off-topic, but I'm not sure why so many people have a problem with Jennifer Hudson. It's not her fault she could lose weight and her fans couldn't. It's not like she had plastic surgery.
Changes in weight typically upset the status quo. Doesn't matter if it's a best friend, coworker, someone down the street, or celebrity. Losing or gaining weight doesn't change who people are inside, but unfortunately, it often changes the perception of them. And even if she had plastic surgery, I don't feel there's any room to judge. Even the most beautiful people have insecurities about their physical appearance, and it can be pretty cut-throat in the entertainment industry when so much is riding on perceptions of physical beauty.
Semaj wrote:It's not about the self-esteem of her fans. The fact that she was already building a successful career based on her acting and singing talents makes her current job as a Weight Watchers spokeswoman unnecessary.
Lots of celebrities have become spokespeople for Weight Watchers (or Jenny Craig or what have you) in addition to what they already do. No real harm in that, in my opinion. It's not exactly a career-booster anyway, but if they do actually follow the program and believe in spreading the word (and get more money in the process), then more power to them. And if they inspire anyone else to work on getting healthier too, I'm all for it. :)
RyGuy wrote:Not if it personally was important to her to lose weight. I know she was an inspiration to me when I used Weight Watchers to lose about 60 lbs over the past year (and I'm not even a woman!) I frequently find myself functioning as WW spokesman when people say, "You look great! How did you do it?" If WW wants to pay her to do that because she's famous and so they can use her likeness, why not? Who doesn't want more money?
Congrats on your progress! :)

It is indeed important to some, and for good reason. I've never done Weight Watchers or any other formal plan, but I've lost about 110 pounds by working hard with doing my own thing. And from my own personal experience, I can safely say it's more about how much better I feel physically and emotionally than trying to look "hot" (and to be fair, I'm still far from the typical definition of "hot" anyway seeing how I still have a lot of weight to lose).

I used to have a host of really nasty illnesses that have mostly gone away with my weight loss, including severe asthma attacks that used to land me in the hospital on a regular basis. Not a fun way to live.

Anyway, I cringe every time a celebrity is criticized for either gaining or even losing weight because it apparently makes them either a fat lazy slob or a shallow judgmental bitch. They just can't win, so they might as well do what makes them personally happy.
RyGuy wrote:(OK . . . now that I've contributed further to this thread de-rail, carry on!) :lol:
Looks like I'm guilty too. :lol: Maybe someone should start its own thread in the off-topic section?
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IGN Review here.

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Coolmanio wrote:IGN Review here.

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^Fixed link. :)

"Imagine Tangled’s Rapunzel being raised by the Vikings from How to Train Your Dragon and you get the idea." :shifty:
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How to Train Your Dragon this. How to Train Your Dragon that.

Seriously? We're doing another Bug's Life/Antz thing? Also, I would argue that both this movie and HTTYD got their influence in design from the Asterix comics. So if anything these two movies should be compared to that. Why don't some of these people take a cue from a Pixar character Anton Ego. He learned how to be fair.
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just saw a tv ad for the first time. looks amazing! it opens next thursday, so im considering taking the day off work and going to the next town to see it. get in before the school holidays.

cant wait!!
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I facepalmed both what I read of the review, and the comments. They're so bad.

If it's any comfort.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/brave_2012/
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I actually didn't think that the review was that bad. 7/10 might not be a brilliant rating by Pixar's standards but it was still a fairly positive review and the early consensus of reviews I've read for the film has been positive. The main criticism seems to be that the concept isn't as groundbreaking as some of Pixar's other films like WALL-E and Up and I think the upcoming film that sounds like it has the most potential to reach that level of storytelling might by Pete Docter's film that takes place inside the human mind.
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Well you know what they say, you can't spell ignorance without IGN
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FigmentJedi wrote:Well you know what they say, you can't spell ignorance without IGN
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IGN sucks. People who takes their reviews and words seriously are retarded.
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Super Aurora wrote:IGN sucks. People who takes their reviews and words seriously are retarded.
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If it helps, way back when Monsters Inc. came out, IGN also gave it a so-so review, with the reviewer saying that his kid "thought it was OK". 10 years later, the movie is one of Pixar's most beloved classics with great reviews and a sequel coming next year. Not to mention attractions at the Disney theme parks.

I too didn't like the review, not because it said that Brave was merely OK, but for the comparisons it kept making to Tangled. Merida doesn't seem to strike me as a Rapunzel. Rapunzel was very sweet, innocent and easily manipulated by her mother. Merida is not so innocent and is constantly head butting with her mother.

And yes, the whole HTTYD thing is getting way out of hand. Yes, the Bug's Life/Antz thing happened, but topically they were identical. Dragons and Brave couldn't be any different from each other. WHY do people keep saying that?
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pap64 wrote:If it helps, way back when Monsters Inc. came out, IGN also gave it a so-so review, with the reviewer saying that his kid "thought it was OK". 10 years later, the movie is one of Pixar's most beloved classics with great reviews and a sequel coming next year. Not to mention attractions at the Disney theme parks.

I too didn't like the review, not because it said that Brave was merely OK, but for the comparisons it kept making to Tangled. Merida doesn't seem to strike me as a Rapunzel. Rapunzel was very sweet, innocent and easily manipulated by her mother. Merida is not so innocent and is constantly head butting with her mother.

And yes, the whole HTTYD thing is getting way out of hand. Yes, the Bug's Life/Antz thing happened, but topically they were identical. Dragons and Brave couldn't be any different from each other. WHY do people keep saying that?
Because humanity sometimes like to act like idiots.And people like to play up the rivalry between DreamWorks and Pixar.Well its not without justification espically when Katzenburg was orginally apart of Disney.Now that I think of it Dreamworks could be considered Pixar's red headed cousin who is at times annoying and loud.
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One other thing I didn't like about the review is that it claims that Pixar is "groundbreaking".

I love, LOVE Pixar to death, and nearly all of their movies range from good to fantastic. Still, saying that they are "groundbreaking" is exaggerating it and lowering the value of both Disney-style storytelling and Brave.

The reviewer mentions Finding Nemo as being a "groundbreaking" film. The movie is essentially a road trip movie meshed with a father/son dynamic. It is a VERY WELL told story, mind you, but it is a classic story. Wall-E was indeed groundbreaking, but it is perhaps the most experimental of the Pixar movies. Up, for all its drama, is an adventure movie. The Incredibles is basically what would happen if you mixed the analytical approach of Nolan's Batman movies with the grandness of Marvel's movies.

The thing this reviewer seems to miss is that Pixar movies are great because THEY ARE TOLD EXCEEDINGLY WELL. It's true that with today's Transformers and Twilights, telling a great story that manages to capture all audiences with emotion, humor and adventure can be seen as something groundbreaking. But is that really enough to claim that Pixar is above any other studio, and that Brave somehow doesn't live up to that?

Again, I LOVE Pixar, they are fantastic, but the whole praising of the studio can get ridiculous.
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I disagree about The Incredibles, I think that is a groundbreaking film because of the way it took a well-known genre and told a story that hadn't been done before. It is all a matter of opinion but I do think Toy Story, The Incredibles, WALL-E and Up are groundbreaking films in the same way that several WDAS films could be considered groundbreaking in their own right.

For me, Pixar's problem is that having been critical darlings for so long, Cars 2 was the first real blot on their record and so critics have waited for the studio's response, perhaps expecting another success like Toy Story or Up that would recapture some of the prestige that might have been lost by the poor critical reception that Cars 2 received. If Brave doesn't match the quality of those films, the yardsticks of Pixar's success, critics will continue to question whether the studio is losing the magic touch it previously seemed to have. From what I've seen, the critical reaction to Brave has not been emphatic as it has for the studio in the past but, in general, the reviews have been positive, some very much so, it just doesn't seem to have matched Toy Story, Monsters, Inc., The Incredibles, WALL-E or Up, so perhaps that will be enough for some to judge the film to be a failure in some way.
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pap64 wrote:One other thing I didn't like about the review is that it claims that Pixar is "groundbreaking".

I love, LOVE Pixar to death, and nearly all of their movies range from good to fantastic. Still, saying that they are "groundbreaking" is exaggerating it and lowering the value of both Disney-style storytelling and Brave.

The reviewer mentions Finding Nemo as being a "groundbreaking" film. The movie is essentially a road trip movie meshed with a father/son dynamic. It is a VERY WELL told story, mind you, but it is a classic story. Wall-E was indeed groundbreaking, but it is perhaps the most experimental of the Pixar movies. Up, for all its drama, is an adventure movie. The Incredibles is basically what would happen if you mixed the analytical approach of Nolan's Batman movies with the grandness of Marvel's movies.

The thing this reviewer seems to miss is that Pixar movies are great because THEY ARE TOLD EXCEEDINGLY WELL. It's true that with today's Transformers and Twilights, telling a great story that manages to capture all audiences with emotion, humor and adventure can be seen as something groundbreaking. But is that really enough to claim that Pixar is above any other studio, and that Brave somehow doesn't live up to that?

Again, I LOVE Pixar, they are fantastic, but the whole praising of the studio can get ridiculous.
This. I do agree that many people seem to forget that even when they are fresh and original, Pixar films of the past still have storylines that we know how they're going to resolve themselves. One review for this movie came out just lately and it had a line that kind of bugged me. "Do the mother and daughter reconcile? Well duh!" So...you're finding that predictable but not two characters who each other at first but soon become the best of friends, a father and son making amends after a rescue and a meek ant proving that he has much more strength than he realizes aren't predictable? :?

I think people come to expect too much from Pixar that Heaven forbid a fairy tale with a princess in the lead should be ever released by them at all. C'mon! Pixar can do conventional stuff as well! Sometimes that's not a bad thing as long as it's done right!
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Super Aurora wrote:IGN sucks. People who takes their reviews and words seriously are retarded.
Clearly its not just IGN though. A lot of people say IGN sucks, but that doesn't change the fact that they've always given Pixar pretty glowing reviews. It used to be we only had to worry about Armond white, now that tides have started to change. I'm not saying Pixar has lost their touch or anything, their still pumping out the best work as far as I'm concerned in general. But their perfect streak is over. It's now going to be hit or miss from here on out. Hopefully a lot more hits than misses but you can no longer assume anything they put out will be up to their own standards. Even if you get a movie like Brave which still seems like an easy recommendation.
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/brave_2 ... tch_brave/
It doesn't look like it's just IGN so far.
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It's so strange for me to read everyone's mixed thoughts about this film. Since the second art started popping up, I've been more excited for this movie than I have ever been for any Pixar film. It's just my kind of story.

What's sad is that no one can make a fairy tale anymore without it being labeled as "just another fairy tale". I hate that. Fairy tales are the best.
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SWillie! wrote:It's so strange for me to read everyone's mixed thoughts about this film. Since the second art started popping up, I've been more excited for this movie than I have ever been for any Pixar film. It's just my kind of story.

What's sad is that no one can make a fairy tale anymore without it being labeled as "just another fairy tale". I hate that. Fairy tales are the best.
Plus its Pixar this time doing a fairy tale while also making it from scratch rather than basing it on a prexisting story.

I also think Pixar's Brave will be a bit of a deconstruction on the Rebellious Princess archtype.From what I have seen it will show what happens when pride and selfishness rules one's decisions.
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