Sitepocalypse Now?: Why DVDizzy.com's Days May Be Numbered

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Goliath wrote:Have you done any of this, Luke? Can you tell us a bit about what you have done the past months to try to solve this problem? Did you accept any of the help offered in this thread?
Yes, I have taken almost all of the suggestions in this thread, putting into practice several of them.

Some of the things done...
-fixed all identified broken links with redirects or edits
-changed all java redirects to 301 redirects
-changed address so that all pages can only be accessed by one address (starting with "http://www.dvdizzy.com/")
-removed all alternate versions of pages, redirecting to appropriate new page
-moved everything from ultimatedisney domain to dvdizzy domain
-deleted similar old meta keywords and descriptions from News Archives pages
-shortened bottom links script
-added "rel=nofollow" to all Amazon links on new articles, schedule pages
-updated privacy policy page for accuracy
-updated 404 error page for accuracy
-abridged links, descriptions, and keywords on front page
-submitted sitemap
-submitted news sitemap
-submitted thirteen detailed site reconsideration requests
-e-mailed two webmasters of sites on Google penalties (received $250/hour price quote on services from one of them)
-e-mailed owner of 10-year-old news site who had similar penalty lifted and followed his advice
Goliath wrote:@ disneyboy: that's exactly what I was trying to say. Luke seems to have invested all his time and energy in Matt Cutts, including emotional blackmail via Twitter, but he's just one employee. I think there are still plenty of possibilities to prevent dvdizzy from going under. But it won't happen all by itself. The moderator will have to pour some hard work into it.
No, Matt Cutts is not just one employee. He is the head of the web spam division, the very division that in this case is so clearly and publicly failing to do the job it is paid to do. You're hung up on the emotional blackmail thing, but it shouldn't have to come to that. On a daily basis, he helps people with problems such as this. I would say his flagrant ignoring of something that pisses off thousands of people, disregards the interests of those using the world's most popular search engine, and completely casts aside the life of a person driven to the same ideals that Google claims to encourage is the most offensive thing of all. What would it take for him to end this? A 2-minute e-mail, maybe? Is that really too much to ask for? I guarantee you he's spent more time than that reading ours and others' tweets on the subject. Angry tweets don't compare in the slightest to that kind of life-altering defiance and apathy. This is censorship without accountability. It's not too far of a stretch to compare this experience to having a child you've spent ten years raising suddenly disappear or being inexplicably detained in Guantanamo Bay with no charges filed. Sure, my situation isn't nearly as bad as either, but the unanswered questions and the awfulness that has weighed down on me basically around the clock for nearly six months are not nearly as insignificant as you're making them out to be.

And while I'm not detailing my every effort here, they are extensive. I'm not twiddling my thumbs, waiting for Matt Cutts to rescue us. There's only so much I can humanly do, knowing only that for over ten years our site was good enough to rank highly for thousands of terms and that suddenly on February 7th our site was bad enough to bury down on page 5 or below.

If nothing else, I hope this situation can teach everyone who reads about it not to treat people like this. It's not right. It's terrible business protocol. It violates the most basic principles of humanity and every rule of customer service. It's rotten and clearly what has happened to me can happen to anyone. That isn't right. This guy, who's actually had all his Google accounts closed for no apparent reason, is being treated the same way: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bt5akp
Wonderlicious wrote:I suppose this is a good enough place to post this, but has anything been registered as coming from Amazon UK? As promised, I got a few things through the site (including a few books as presents for young relatives, and a certain piece of electronic equipment), so was wondering whether it worked...
There were a couple of orders from there and there very rarely are, so I'm going to assume it did work and thank you very much for taking the effort to go through our link.
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Luke,

thanks for filling me in. Reading back, I realize my previous post could be seen as me implying you had done nothing to save your site. If you indeed took it like that, I apologize. It was bad and uncareful wording on my part. Your summary of the work you've done is impressive. It seems strange that all this made no difference to Google. I wonder why? :?

I would still like to write an e-mail to Google myself. Maybe, if all of us did in a short period of time, we would get noticed? Unfortunately, I have no idea whom to adress or how to adress them.
Prince Charming 12 wrote:I know you mentioned in the e-mail that money is tight and professional IT support is prohibitive, [...]
Why is that? Sounds odd to me.
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I found this article Interesting....relating to what's going on right now with the site....which brought this clip to my mind from the Dark Knight movie said By Harvey Dent

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Here's the article...that was written in 2008

http://www.ripoffreport.com/internet-ma ... -7x79f.htm
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Update:
By Luke Bonanno

Update: August 7, 2011.

It was six months ago today that this site was hit with a severe Google penalty. We aren't the slightest bit wiser about it now than we were then, when weren't notified, but left to find out that we were being pushed down five or six pages in the search engine's results. The experience has produced a variety of emotions for me, among them soul-crushing depression and complete bewilderment. How does this happen without warning or explanation to something I've spent almost every day for the past 10½ years working hard on with the purest of intentions?! Now, with seemingly no end to this utter mystery in sight, the penalty itself is far less offensive than the arrogant and unaccountable way that Google has dealt it.

There are lessons to be learned from this. Any billion-dollar businesses out there? Listen up. If your company is founded on returning good search engine results and the creator of a site you ranked highly for ten years contacts you and brings to your attention an issue that is preventing that original, high-quality site from reaching but a fraction of the people it used to, why not take notice and fix it or say anything of use instead of responding to his reconsideration requests with the equivalent of a middle finger or two: a form letter stating "We've reviewed your site and we believe that some or all of your pages still violate our quality guidelines." That's the type of thing you might send a life-long spammer or someone flagrantly dabbling in underhanded techniques to win traffic, not someone who stays up past sunrise to make sure a detailed DVD review is as timely as possible. Your company makes over $1 billion a month and you can't pay a human being to look at and respond to issues like this?

Are you a much smaller business, maybe one that publishes on the Internet? Know that this could happen to you, without warning, explanation, or resolution. Where others have a brain and a heart, Google has an algorithm and the belief that they're never wrong and never have to answer to any one. This sort of thing happens all the time, in amusing defiance to the company's unofficial "Don't be evil" mantra.

Those of you who aren't a big or small business, but have enjoyed reading this site recently or at any time over the past ten and a half years, the lesson for you is that Google does not care about you. You might have already suspected that, but it could not be more clearly revealed in this episode. Go ahead and open Google in a new window, then alt-tab back here. Do a search for "dvdizzy" or "dvdizzy.com" (with or without quotes, it doesn't matter). What do you find at the moment? A new appspot.com site that simply copies ours, with various elements broken. Hey, that is in complete violation of our front page copyright notice ("Contents of this website may not be copied in any form without permission."), in clear defiance of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (though Google denied a request for its removal), and certainly in stark opposition of Google's stated principles of rewarding original content. Because of that copy, you won't find the DVDizzy.com front page even on page 6, when our results finally turn up, because although though we somehow violate those quality guidelines, we don't violate them enough to disappear outright, only to be buried six pages in, where only the most persistent and picky searchers will venture.

Now, open up Bing and Yahoo! in additional windows. Search for DVDizzy or DVDizzy.com. Would you look at that? There is the real site right there with several pages nearby and that unauthorized proxy one nowhere to be found. Now search for disney dvd reviews. Priscilla Weems interview. Disney songs countdown. Disney villains countdown. Follow Me Boys DVD review. You might notice the results are similar, if not identical on Yahoo! and Bing; Bing powers Yahoo! these days. What you'll also notice is that their results are considerably better than what Google offers, namely in that they include at or near the top the very items you would be searching for with such phrases (at best, Google returns that site scraping our content). Yahoo! and Microsoft (Bing's owner) are both multi-billion dollar companies too and for all I know, they could possibly be just as evil as Google has been, penalizing sites robotically and remaining inaccessible. But I've yet to see it. What I have seen are my e-mails and the e-mails of readers upset by this fall on deaf ears at Google.

I've seen the Twitter account of Matt Cutts, the head of Google's "web spam" team. That is the division of Google that dispatches and supposedly removes penalties. Yes, the phrase "web spam" somehow now refers to my life's work; I guess I've been listing the wrong occupation on my 1040s these past years. Cutts blissfully ignores every message on this subject (and some others whose lives are overturned by his company) while shooting smilies at those who kiss up to him and posting videos and articles that promote his division's Kafkaesque management style. Say what you want about Twitter, but it allows a front-row seat to business failure that years ago would have remained behind closed doors.

What could Google even suspect/accuse us of doing that would make them bury us in the results for over six months without explanation? I've lost much sleep and at least $10,000 wondering that and have concluded that this is their loss and the loss of anyone who relies of them for their search needs (and that remains a majority of the Internet, though Bing is gladly gaining ground).

Now, how about this Sitepocalypse thing? Is that still happening? Probably, but no sooner than October. I believe in this site 100%. So, even as it's fallen from a sufficient full-time salary to the earnings of a high school student with a job, I've kept at it, not even slowing our content output to make sense of this madness. I hope you find our DVD and Blu-ray reviews are not only among the best you'll find (and I do mean "find") on the Internet, but they are the best they've ever been. If the passion, time, and knowledge poured into them does not come through, then, just like Google, we are failing everyone.

While obviously a labor of love right now, running this site is something I intended to do indefinitely. So too is eating and having a home in which to live. All of this is threatened by this senseless penalty. Short of fixing some broken links (to which I'll be devoting countless hours to in the coming weeks) and randomly deleting the majority of the site (which I don't intend to do), I've pretty much exhausted all my options of getting the penalty lifted. My expectation that Google will fix this situation is, like my view of the company these days, around zero. Beyond that, there is the hope that Bing and Yahoo! catch up to Google in the search engine market, a goal Microsoft is spending heavily to achieve and one which my few case studies clearly support.

What can you, the reader, do to help keep us online? Visiting the site daily would help. So too would liking us on Facebook, following us on Twitter, and subscribing to our free newsletter (send a blank e-mail to UltimateDisney-subscribe@topica.com). On the top right side of our Facebook page, you can choose to "Invite Friends" to "like" us. Even if only two of your friends joined, we would triple our reach there.

Another big help would be to go through any one of our links when you buy anything from Amazon.com (we get a small percentage of the sale at no cost to you); use our schedule to place your fall preorders there. As you likely know, their selection and service is the best around.

Planning to join the Disney Movie Club? Sign up through our linkand it's like making a $25 donation to us, plus you get a good deal on a bunch of Disney DVDs and Blu-rays and access to Club exclusives that even we haven't seen.

I also strongly encourage giving some thought to whether Google is a company you want to support. I've relied on them for a long time and had been satisfied, but this unconscionable saga makes it impossible to ever want anything to do with them again. We are slowly phasing out their AdSense program and are looking for a sufficient replacement for the site search feature we extensively rely on (which became subpar once Google stopped frequently updating our site's listings with crawl data; now articles don't show up until about a week after they're posted, if at all).

I'm completely aware that these rantings come across as bitter, depressing, pathetic, and downright loony. I don't blame those who stopped reading several paragraphs ago. Of course, this is more difficult to write than to read. But to not share these experiences does a disservice to all whose lives are similarly and inexplicably ruined by Google, who exerts power and then remains mum. A lack of candor may help to minimize manipulation and thwart genuine deception, but it also renders the company reckless, unaccountable, compassionless, and inhumane.

Once again, questions, comments, and condolences are welcome at tsdvd at yahoo.com. I interpret Google's unresponsiveness to mean they are embarrassed by this and wish it'd go away. Help make that not happen by liking, tweeting (throw in an @mattcutts for good measure!), and sharing now:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/UltimateD ... 0029370899

http://twitter.com/#!/ultimatedisney
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Well...I'm...glad that almost anything that could be done has been done, that you're still trying to do more, and that we can do more. I liked UD and the Googlehell link on Facebook.

I was wondering...would it be possible, or helpful, to ask Bing or Yahoo why their pages list UD first, but Google doesn't? Seeing the difference may make a difference. Perhaps they could point out an error in Google's agorithim or whatever, or perhaps they could talk to Google through their own connections, or something.
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Luke, will you please tell us what will happen to the forum in case the site closes? You haven't addressed that issue at all.
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Sotiris wrote:Luke, will you please tell us what will happen to the forum in case the site closes? You haven't addressed that issue at all.
I think that's the million dollar answer, that even Luke doesn't know at this moment...and I'm going to get rid of my google chrome....I'm sick of it

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If Luke does not manage to save the site, perhaps he could sell it (even to one of us if anyone here is interested).
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Sotiris wrote:If Luke does not manage to save the site, perhaps he could sell it (even to one of us if anyone here is interested).
There still would be the problem of Matt Cutts not telling anyone where the site's violation is so that it can be removed and back in good standing with the allmighty GOOGLE AND MATT CUTTS :evil:

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Also....this is a sticky in the Off Topic forum about how to help the site through buying via amazon in many ways.....I figure that thread would serve great purpose being in this thread

http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 43&start=0
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Maybe I missed it but what is going of with the Google App Engine?

behaviorresources.appspot.com/ultimatedisney.com

It's the first thing that come up when I type in Ultimate Disney in the Google search engine and it seems like a mirror if the site. Are you testing the waters or is Google screwing with you some more?
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Hey....another Disney based fan site is spreading the word regarding this Google Hell

http://new.disneyecho.emuck.com/cgi-bin ... 98&t=17628
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Hi, I'm again going to have to ask someone to please summarize Luke's novel (as posted by UmbrellaFish) for me. I have very little time at the moment (new job!) so I can only stay on UD for a little while, but I am interested in how everything develops. Thanks.
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Goliath wrote:Hi, I'm again going to have to ask someone to please summarize Luke's novel (as posted by UmbrellaFish) for me. I have very little time at the moment (new job!) so I can only stay on UD for a little while, but I am interested in how everything develops. Thanks.
All remains the same I'm afraid.

Btw, congratulations on the new job! What is it?
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Sotiris wrote:All remains the same I'm afraid.

Btw, congratulations on the new job! What is it?
Thanks! I'm in selling energy contracts now. It's not that great, but it's better than nothing. I'll just keep doing this until I find something better, which is hard at the time. Your summary is *very* summarized. A bit more info, please? :wink:
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Goliath wrote:Thanks! I'm in selling energy contracts now. It's not that great, but it's better than nothing. I'll just keep doing this until I find something better, which is hard at the time. Your summary is *very* summarized. A bit more info, please? :wink:
There is none, really. Luke is repeating everything he had already said with Google and all, that the site might close "no sooner than October" if things remain the same, that there is no problem with other search engines like Yahoo and Bing, that we should boycott Google and keep supporting UD using the links here to buy from amazon, the Disney Movie Club etc.

He is not telling us what will happen to the forum, whether the site will remain accessible if it closes or if he's willing to sell.

I know that it's not profitable enough now for Luke to keep updating the site with reviews and new material but why does the site and forum have to close? How much does it cost to simply maintain the site and forum anyway?
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Sotiris wrote:
He is not telling us what will happen to the forum, whether the site will remain accessible if it closes or if he's willing to sell.
Well...The truth is I think, no one knows for sure about the forums....including Luke....and he wants to be sure when saying something thats concrete and not saying...IDK or perhaps....He's working a lot to save this site......it's just a road block that's won't move at all due to google and Matt Cutts ignoring...idk maybe someone on the forums could email google or idk....

what we can do is Tweet @mattcutts on twitter....tweet to him...I think if more people from this forum tweeted to Matt Cutts it would perhaps get a response.....

If anyone doesn't have a twitter account...nows the time to do it...even if its just to Tweet @mattcutts to help get a response....I suggest everyone do this if they can if at all possible....I don't use twitter much, but I'm tweeting Matt Cutts as well...I know Aaron Wallace has tweeted to @mattcutts ...

think of it like we'll be Luke's Twitter Army....the concept just now came to me thinking of Harry Potter 5 and Dubledore's Army.....Let's get Tweetinus Image
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If the site goes the forum will too. It's not going to be officially announced for fear all the users will find a new forum to visit before it closes and this site still vey much needs all the hits it can get right?
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Unless Luke makes a new forum under another url I guess :?
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Any news or updates?
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