Aurora, Damsel in Distress or Heroine?

[Ariel'sprince]

I gave enough reason but i don't care what you think,i"ll keep thinking she's the hero allways.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Ariels Prince, if you had read my post you would have seen why Aurora is helpless while asleep.

Perhaps you should go watch Sleeping Beauty, find stuff that can support your statement on why Aurora is a "hero" and then post again with those facts, maybe then people would be able to somewhat see what you mean. I'm not saying it'll make everyone agree with you, but it will help in the long run if you took everyone's advice and had some facts, info or even scenes to support your opinion. Just a thought

I'm not sure but I think someone mentioned Enchanted Tales somewhere in here, I'd go look but I'm still looking for Prue's post I don't consider Aurora's actions in Enchanted Tales to count towards her being a hero, since whatever she does there is in Enchanted Tales, and has no bearing on whether or not she's a "hero" in Sleeping Beauty. ALTHOUGH I could be wrong and have misread and Enchanted Tales has never been mentioned in this thread before.....until now

Ariels Prince Pt. 2: You say you listed reasons why she's a "hero" I can't seem to find where you mentioned those reasons, perhaps you could list them again for me? I tend to have poor memory otherwise I would have reviewed your list and made replies back about them by now if I had read any.

=Chernabog=

[Super Aurora]

I gave enough reason

No you didn't. You kept saying the same thing over and over again.

but i don't care what you think,

1. Then why are you keep responding back eh?

2. This is reason why people aren't taking you seriously in a debate.

i"ll keep thinking she's the hero allways.

Being in a delusional world must be nice, eh?

[Someday...]

ok so the nightmare theory is out,
as it is mentioned at least twice in the movie that she is "dreaming of true love, in slumber repose" which would generally point towards a pleasant dream.
Still I do think being stuck in slumber, kind of equates to being stuck in limbo

[Ariel'sprince]

Ariels Prince, if you had read my post you would have seen why Aurora is helpless while asleep.

Perhaps you should go watch Sleeping Beauty, find stuff that can support your statement on why Aurora is a "hero" and then post again with those facts, maybe then people would be able to somewhat see what you mean. I'm not saying it'll make everyone agree with you, but it will help in the long run if you took everyone's advice and had some facts, info or even scenes to support your opinion. Just a thought

I'm not sure but I think someone mentioned Enchanted Tales somewhere in here, I'd go look but I'm still looking for Prue's post I don't consider Aurora's actions in Enchanted Tales to count towards her being a hero, since whatever she does there is in Enchanted Tales, and has no bearing on whether or not she's a "hero" in Sleeping Beauty. ALTHOUGH I could be wrong and have misread and Enchanted Tales has never been mentioned in this thread before.....until now

Ariels Prince Pt. 2: You say you listed reasons why she's a "hero" I can't seem to find where you mentioned those reasons, perhaps you could list them again for me? I tend to have poor memory otherwise I would have reviewed your list and made replies back about them by now if I had read any.

=Chernabog=

The prove i brought is that Aurora gave up on Phillip for her duty,and anyway she's the main character,she's the heroine,but anyway i think that in every Disney movie all the heroes,heroines (not incolding Wendy,Lady,Kida,Meg and the rest of the damsels in distresses) and sidekick are heroes,so Aurora is a hero.
Super Aurora-you're the one in delusional world,and i meant that i don't care if somone thinks she's a damsel becouse i know she's not,you can keep making the wrong view of posts but that's not the truth .

[Ariel'sprince]

Ariels Prince, if you had read my post you would have seen why Aurora is helpless while asleep.

Perhaps you should go watch Sleeping Beauty, find stuff that can support your statement on why Aurora is a "hero" and then post again with those facts, maybe then people would be able to somewhat see what you mean. I'm not saying it'll make everyone agree with you, but it will help in the long run if you took everyone's advice and had some facts, info or even scenes to support your opinion. Just a thought

I'm not sure but I think someone mentioned Enchanted Tales somewhere in here, I'd go look but I'm still looking for Prue's post I don't consider Aurora's actions in Enchanted Tales to count towards her being a hero, since whatever she does there is in Enchanted Tales, and has no bearing on whether or not she's a "hero" in Sleeping Beauty. ALTHOUGH I could be wrong and have misread and Enchanted Tales has never been mentioned in this thread before.....until now

Ariels Prince Pt. 2: You say you listed reasons why she's a "hero" I can't seem to find where you mentioned those reasons, perhaps you could list them again for me? I tend to have poor memory otherwise I would have reviewed your list and made replies back about them by now if I had read any.

=Chernabog=

The prove i brought is that Aurora gave up on Phillip for her duty,and anyway she's the main character,she's the heroine,but anyway i think that in every Disney movie all the heroes,heroines (not incolding Wendy,Lady,Kida,Meg and the rest of the damsels in distresses) and sidekick are heroes,so Aurora is a hero.
Super Aurora-you're the one in delusional world,and i meant that i don't care if somone thinks she's a damsel becouse i know she's not,you can keep making the wrong view of posts but that's not the truth .

[Sailor Eric]

ok so the nightmare theory is out,
as it is mentioned at least twice in the movie that she is "dreaming of true love, in slumber repose" which would generally point towards a pleasant dream.
Still I do think being stuck in slumber, kind of equates to being stuck in limbo

Yeah, poor Aurora if she were asleep forever! She wouldn't be living her life!

Ariel's Prince - And while Aurora may have "saved the day" in Enchanted Tales, that does not make her the heroine in her main story called "Sleeping Beauty." She didn't save anyone's day. In the other hand, Philip not only saved the day, he saved someone's LIFE (not from being dead, but from having a life not truly living). The only reason you consider Aurora being a hero is because she is one of the "stars" in the Disney Princess line.
You also said it was heroic (the kind that "saves the day" because she left her old life to go back to her kingdom and attend her princess duties. That is in a way, heroic, but it's not as heroic as the typical story were the hero saves someone from something serious or dangerous. And sure, Philip may have been captive for awhile, so yeah, he was in distress, but just for awhile, not for long. That doesn't make him the one who has to be saved in the main story. SLEEPING Beauty is about a girl who falls ASLEEP because of a curse; the center of the story is in no way her going back to her kingdom. And who kissed her to wake her up from the spell? Philip! That makes him a hero both in the sense that he is a male lead in the story and the sense of saving someone or doing something noble.

[Ariel'sprince]

ok so the nightmare theory is out,
as it is mentioned at least twice in the movie that she is "dreaming of true love, in slumber repose" which would generally point towards a pleasant dream.
Still I do think being stuck in slumber, kind of equates to being stuck in limbo

Yeah, poor Aurora if she were asleep forever! She wouldn't be living her life!

Ariel's Prince - And while Aurora may have "saved the day" in Enchanted Tales, that does not make her the heroine in her main story called "Sleeping Beauty." She didn't save anyone's day. In the other hand, Philip not only saved the day, he saved someone's LIFE (not from being dead, but from having a life not truly living). The only reason you consider Aurora being a hero is because she is one of the "stars" in the Disney Princess line.
You also said it was heroic (the kind that "saves the day" because she left her old life to go back to her kingdom and attend her princess duties. That is in a way, heroic, but it's not as heroic as the typical story were the hero saves someone from something serious or dangerous. And sure, Philip may have been captive for awhile, so yeah, he was in distress, but just for awhile, not for long. That doesn't make him the one who has to be saved in the main story. SLEEPING Beauty is about a girl who falls ASLEEP because of a curse; the center of the story is in no way her going back to her kingdom. And who kissed her to wake her up from the spell? Philip! That makes him a hero both in the sense that he is a male lead in the story and the sense of saving someone or doing something noble.

No,that's not the only reason,she IS the hero.
Who cares about Phillip? he didn't do anything exept kissing her,Disney couldn't change the story.
Aurora is the hero and you can't denial it,she's the main character and she did her royal duty.
The movie had problem with her character but she's still the hero,she's the main character,sometimes not only the movie show points,you need to look at the character in other places to know more about her.

[Sailor Eric]

Yeah, poor Aurora if she were asleep forever! She wouldn't be living her life!

Ariel's Prince - And while Aurora may have "saved the day" in Enchanted Tales, that does not make her the heroine in her main story called "Sleeping Beauty." She didn't save anyone's day. In the other hand, Philip not only saved the day, he saved someone's LIFE (not from being dead, but from having a life not truly living). The only reason you consider Aurora being a hero is because she is one of the "stars" in the Disney Princess line.
You also said it was heroic (the kind that "saves the day" because she left her old life to go back to her kingdom and attend her princess duties. That is in a way, heroic, but it's not as heroic as the typical story were the hero saves someone from something serious or dangerous. And sure, Philip may have been captive for awhile, so yeah, he was in distress, but just for awhile, not for long. That doesn't make him the one who has to be saved in the main story. SLEEPING Beauty is about a girl who falls ASLEEP because of a curse; the center of the story is in no way her going back to her kingdom. And who kissed her to wake her up from the spell? Philip! That makes him a hero both in the sense that he is a male lead in the story and the sense of saving someone or doing something noble.

No,that's not the only reason,she IS the hero.
Who cares about Phillip? he didn't do anything exept kissing her,Disney couldn't change the story.
Aurora is the hero and you can't denial it,she's the main character and she did her royal duty.
The movie had problem with her character but she's still the hero,she's the main character,sometimes not only the movie show points,you need to look at the character in other places to know more about her.

I'm not in denial, after all, I already recognized the fact that she did her "royal duty." But she just had to go back to her kingdom and marry the Prince her parents wanted her to. That was the deal when her parents sent her away to be safe. Besides, we know pretty well that she didn't want to; she cried when she was in her royal room. Maybe the only reason she went back was because she was going back to her family!
And you know what, I care about Philip! And he faced off a dragon in order to kiss her. You need to look in other places, because he didn't just kiss her for nothing, the kiss saved her from being asleep forever!

[Chernabog_Rocks]

This time I will be putting emphasis on words in caps lock, perhaps then someone will read my post, or even have what I say sink in a tad it seems I'm falling on deaf ears half the time.

Ok, I think I've found the problem Ariels Prince. The thing is your mixing the terms Hero (as in "here I am to save the day") with Heroine (as in Main Female Character).

Hero, does have dual meaning, it's the opposite of Heroine in the fact that it's a Male Lead Character, but it's also the "Here I am to save the day" meaning as well.

Enchanted Tales, completly beside the point starting to wish I hadn't opened that can of worms if it was me that opened it, I still swear I read someone elses post about it earlier It's beside the point because of the fact it takes place AFTER Sleeping Beauty.

Someday: Where are you getting nightmares from and even dreams for that matter? Dreams/Nightmares have nothing to do with being helpless, perhaps IN your dream yes but that's a different matter entirely. Aurora, while asleep is PHYSICALLY helpless, it's not like she can wake up and slap someone trying to harm her.

Phillip, did more than just kiss her. If I remember correctly he did make his way through the thorns, past the dragon (Yes with help) and escaped from the villains fortress (again with help). Ariels Prince, I can't believe you can so flippantly say "Who cares about Phillip", if he wasn't around Aurora would still be in the castle asleep. He could have easily just walked off and said "screw it" but he stuck it out for his true love.

Doing your royal duty isn't heroic. It's doing your job plain and simple, if I don't show up for work aka my "royal duties" then nothing gets done, but if I do show up it's not like I'm some hero, I'm just doing my job. The only jobs that are heroic are Police Officers and Fire Fighters, since they risk their lives every day, however that's a totally different subject so moving on.

Yes Aurora is actually a damsel in distress, and I have a rather good reason why. The curse. Whether it's the full blown "Your dead before the eve of your 16th birthday" or the "your just falling asleep until true loves kiss" watered down version, there's 16 very long years in which her life is in constant danger, WHICH is also the reason why she had to go in hiding AND Maleficent herself made it clear she had her minions looking for Aurora all 16 years in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled. I'd say that's a very distressing situation for her, and since she is a damsel (aka Female) that makes her a Damsel in Distress throughout the movie.

Moving on to Phillip again, the only reason the 3 Faeries did so much work is because they were not powerful enough to take on Maleficent themselves as I've stated twice (or more) already. However, they also said that their magic can be used to Help and for doing Good, hence the Sword of Truth and Shield of Virtue, and all the flowers and bubbles and rainbows they use to HELP Prince Phillip.

I really hope Disney Duster shows up soon, at least I know he'll read through my post and say something thoughtful so that I know I'm not just wasting time.

Now before I leave, Ariels Prince, you contradicted yourself I believe, on Page 1 you admitted perhaps Kida, Esmeralda etc. weren't really damsels in distress, yet now your saying they are again?. The fact is, that matter is best left for a new thread altogether instead of just being squished in here and making things more confusing.

[Ariel'sprince]

Aurora couldn't "save the world" becouse,let's face it,in the time when this film was made no girl in movies could do so (the fairies arn't heroines,they're sidekicks),but anyway she is the heroine.
And i do care about Phillip,he just did same as Aurora,and she cried becouse she was still sad she gave up on him.
There's only one solotioun to this thread-both he and Aurora are heroes,that's it and that's the truth,they're heroes and that Aurora is the main character.

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

This is getting out of hand.

[Prudence]

This is getting out of hand.

It's an Ariel'sprince thread, what did you expect? He can't handle people having different opinions from his own.

(Alright, this little guy is way too cute to be Ariel'sprince, but you understand what I mean.)

[PeterPanfan]

Ariel'sprince, please listen to Chernabog Rocks, because he/she(sorry, I don't know! ) takes the time to respond thoroughly to you, while you just come here bashing everyone that disagrees with your opinion.

Ariel'sprince- They are not both heroes! As Chernabog brought up, doing her "royal duties" is just like doing her job. She knew the three fairies wouldn't approve of the prince, so she just set it aside to focus on her "royal duties" AKA job. Please get this through your head. No matter how many times you whine and whine, you will not change anyone's opinons. Please just accept the fact that Aurora is a damsal in distress. That's all there is to it. It's not a bad thing. Nobody hates Aurora. She is just a damsal in distress, simple as that.

[Ariel'sprince]

I listen to Charnbog_Rocks,i just disagree,she is not a damsel in distress,she is a hero.
She gave on her love for her duty,that's brave enough for me.
Then Nobody will change my opinion,she is a hero,she's not a damsel in distress,she's not some Daphne,Fiona or Princess Peach,she's a hero,and yes,a damsel in distress is a bad thing,and it is like saying you hate her,the Princess is allways the hero of the story (exept Jasmine but she's not a damsel neither,she's a character like Nala),calling her a damsel in distress is insulting.

[2099net]

I think the whole arguments pretty pointless because neither Aurora or Philip have anywhere near enough character to be anything other than "bland".

Arial'sPrince does raise an issue though when he says the Faries are sidekicks. Absolutely not in my opinion. It's the faries who have all the character, humour, skill and wit. If anyone needs to be called a hero[ine] in Sleeping Beauty, its the Faries. Forget "Girl Power", it really should be "Fairy Power".

As for the cultural significance of Sleeping Beauty and a women's position in stories and popular culture affecting Aurora's ability to be a heroine, it was released in 1959 (which, incidently, is hardly that backwards when it came to social issues - World War II was the major change in how society traditionally saw women) and previous Disney animated films included: Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland and Cinderella. Three films with much better, and stronger female characters than Sleeping Beauty (Peter Pan even had two: Wendy and Tinker Bell). And if you check out the live action films, you'll see its only a year away from the start of Hailey Mill's run of starring roles.

[PeterPanfan]

I never really thought of it that way, Net. The Fairies ARE the only ones(Maleficent included) who have the humour, wit, intelligence, and bravery. Well, Phillip has bravery, but that's bsesides the point.

[Ariel'sprince]

Neither of the female character in Cinderella,Alice In Wonderland and Peter Pan saved the world,they're just like Aurora,Sleeping Beauty has problems with the character but still,Aurora is a heroine.

[2099net]

Without the Fairies, Sleeping Beauty would just be a film of countless characters hand wringing - contantly bemoaning their situation while expressing their sadness but doing nothing at all to change it.

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

In my opinion each character contributes to the story and they are all irreplaceable in the telling/showing of this tale. They all have strengths and flaws, none are perfect.