Buffy / Angel Discussion (Including Reviews)

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:32 pm

I'm pretty sure all the other actors had "a job." If I remember correctly, Sarah had attended little to none of the conventions before because she had a job, yet she attended the reunion because after ten years, she realized that Buffy got her to were she is today. David is barely recognizable outside of the Buffyverse, while Alyson has a pretty steady following, but still, Buffy made them who they are, and I really think they should have gone.

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:08 pm

Angel: Season Three - My favorite Angel season out of the first three. Darla's death made extremely sad. Teenaged Connor annoyed the hell out of me, as did Holtz and Groo. I personally felt Wesley did the right thing at the time, and the group should have been a little softer on him. I also wish Cordelia and Angel would have gotten together at the end, though I'm glad Cordy's become a higher being.

My favorite episodes were:

Lullaby
Birthday
Waiting in the Wings
Tomorrow

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:01 pm

To update everyone on the FX show, Clare Kramer, "Glory", has been added to the guest list!

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:11 am

What FX show are you referring to?

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:58 am

Only the one Siren and I have been talking about for the past two pages.

-_-

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:32 am

OHHHH. At first I thought you meant Clare Kramer was coming on Dollhouse, and thought you accidentley spelled FOX FX. My bad.

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:21 am

PeterPanfan wrote:Considering Disneyfan (the creator of this thread) said we could discuss Buffy after <strike>s</strike>he finished watching it, there didn't need to be a spoiler warning.

Siren · Post by **Siren** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:30 am

Camden Toy who played the Ubervamp in Buffy and Prince of Lies in Angel will also be attending FX Show....my yearbook is gonna be chuck full of signatures!

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:18 am

Siren wrote:Camden Toy who played the Ubervamp in Buffy and Prince of Lies in Angel will also be attending FX Show....my yearbook is gonna be chuck full of signatures!

Oh, I love you. I wish I had a damn yearbook for them to sign. The only Buffy stuff I'd have for them to sign are my DVD sets. Lame.

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:20 pm

Camden was also one of the Gentlemen and the Gnarl Demon from "Same Time, Same Place"!!!

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:30 am

Well, after seven seasons, I'm officially done with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. First up, though, is my Angel: Season Four review.

Angel: Season Four - The beginning and middle of this season were fantastic. Even though annoying Connor was still there, the plot was quick-paced and engaging. But then Cordelia turned evil and got pregnant, and all the good quickly faded away. Why did Cordy have to be the one to die? It couldn't have been Connor? She was my favorite character, and I hear she's only in one more episode. And then there's Jasmine. Ugh. Stupid, stupid, Jasmine. I hated her character, almost more than Connor. Thank God she died. Fred is now my favorite Angel character, replacing Cordy.

Favorite episodes:

Deep Down
Apocalypse, Nowish
Salvage
Release
Orpheus
Home

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season Seven - Where to start? The first episode started the series out with a bang, which continued unti; the Potentials started pouring in. Kennedy was a poor replacement for Tara, Willow, Xander, Anya, Dawn, and Giles were pushed to the side to make room for unimportant characters. Buffy had to been long, over-drawn/hyped speeches, which eventually got annoying. All that, and it's still an amazing season.

Lessons: Probably the best season opener on Buffy (And Angel.) The scene where Buffy teaches Dawn how to slay is hilarious.

Help: - I loved Cassie Newton, and wish she would have been on for more than two episodes.

Selfless: - Anya, who is one of my favorite characters, finally has her long awaited and deserved episode. Hilarious and touching.

Confersations With Dead People - VERY scary (Dawn's scenes with Joyce/The First), funny (Buffy and Holden), emotional (Willow and Cassie/Tara), and surprising (Spike and girl he bites.)

Potential - Xander's speech and Dawn giving up the weapon to Amanda.

Storyteller - HILARIOUS. "Buffy, Slayer of the Vum-pyres."

Dirty Girls - Xander getting his eye ripped out and the scene with Willow in the hospital is almost unbearable.

End of Days - Angel returning!

Chosen - Tied for my favorite Buffy episode. Anya's dead. How can this be? Seriously...dying for Andrew? I like Andrew, but Anya is a WAY better character. I also wish they could have mourned her death a little more. Willow turning into a goddess!! Buffy getting stabbed and still being able to fight, and finally, Buffy choosing Spike over Angel.

An amazing show, and I will definitely continue on into the comics, and the one season left of Angel.

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:24 am

PeterPanfan wrote:Buffy choosing Spike over Angel.

...If that's what you think.

Put Buffy and Angel in the same room, see how quickly they jump on each other, Spike or no Spike.

Face it, kiddo, Buffy and Angel are soulmates, no matter how much you prefer Spike.

Anya... omg, I cried so much, especially when Xander says "That's my girl, always doing the stupid thing." Awww

Don't even get me started on that whole Cordy mess... My poor, beloved Cordy....

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:22 pm

Buffy sent Angel home, and then told Spike she loved him. Spike got a soul FOR her. Angel was cursed with one.

Look at how Angelus treated Buffy. Look at how souless Spike (Season 5/6) treated her. BIG difference.

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:02 pm

Buffy sent Angel away because she needed someone to have her back in case she lost the fight in Sunnydale and he was the only person she trusted to do that.

....and because the shooting schedule between Buffy and Angel only permitted David so much time, lol. It's clear they only had one day to shoot his appearance.

Anywho, I didn't say Buffy and Angelus are soulmates... he has no soul! If it weren't for that whole turning evil thing, her and Angel would never be apart.

As for the Spike comment, and him getting a soul and blah blah blah, I think it was just some sick infatuation that Spike had with Buffy and I honestly don't think Buffy ever loved Spike. Even when she told him she did, it didn't seem sincere, it seems like she was just telling him what he wanted to hear as her way of thanking him for sacrificing himself.

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:06 pm

I'm saying that even when Spike had no soul, he treated her far better than Angel with no soul did.

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:09 pm

Cause he was @#%^%$@ evil!

Spike was always a pansy when it came down between him and Angelus.

Siren · Post by **Siren** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:05 pm

I wouldn't called Spike a pansy in comparison with Angelus. Spike just did things differently. Angelus was all for mental and physical torture. He liked watching his victims suffer. Spike enjoyed the kill too, but he didn't waste his time with torture as much. Railroad spikes was his choice, but I mean...how long does a human last with railroad spikes in them...compared to Angelus who started with mental torture and let it go on for days, weeks, even years.

Angelus was the cat who liked to play with the mouse for hours, before finally killing it.
Spike was the dog who killed the rabbit too quickly and lost interest just as quickly.

PeterPanfan · Post by **PeterPanfan** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:16 am

Yep, and Dog > Cat.

Chernabog_Rocks · Post by **Chernabog_Rocks** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:41 pm

PeterPanfan wrote:Yep, and Dog > Cat.

Not if your allergic to dogs! (Or you know your a crazy cat lady).

Hm honestly for the whole Buffy/Angel Buff/Spike thing, from what I remember (and it's not much since I haven't seen seasons 4-7 in ages) Buffy and Angel had an actual relationship, they did the dating thing and felt for each other emotionally then had sex. With Spike it was more like a friends with benifits type deal. Take the episode Seeing Red for example, Buffy admits she has feelings for Spike, but it's not love because she could never trust him enough to fall in love. Spike counters that the relationship they have is wild, passionate and all consuming. Which is when Buffy states that that is not the kind of love that lasts. Which is (somewhat) proven correct when he attempts to rape her in that same episode, how can she trust him fully after something like that? In the series finale, she makes it clear that Spike's not her boyfriend but he is in her heart. When she sends Angel back to prepare the second front in case she fails that's only one of the reasons she doesn't want him involved. Possibly the other reason(s) are because she loves him too much to see him get killed, the BtVS Watchers Guide Vol. 3 states the bolded part.

Also, woot for BtVS Watcher's Guide Vol. 3, since without it I wouldn't have found all the info I listed above

xxhplinkxx · Post by **xxhplinkxx** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:08 pm

I just wanted to inform you guys of some sad news. It hasn't been posted in here so I thought I would.

Andy Hallet, a.k.k Lorne, passed away this week.

R.I.P. Andy Hallet

RIP, Andy. I'm sure you're in a great, huge, Karaoke bar somewhere.

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