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DisneyFan 2000 wrote:Box office numbers don't make an animated hit. Proof? See Shark Tales. A hit movie is something that stands the test of time and still remains popular.


Dreamworks has nothing to offer to the characters it creates. Disney can offer them eternal life in Disneyland, that way they can stay in public awareness. There's no Dreamworksland with a Shark Tale parade. Chicken Little's $40 million opening weekend however is already enough for disney to give him lots of life even after it runs out of gas at the Box Office. He'll become his own franchise.
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maby they dont have a "Dreamworksland" But they could/can/do at Universal Studios
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One of the reports from Yahoo has a quote which I found interesting:

It was Disney's second-best animated opening ever, behind "The Lion King" with $40.9 million.

Very very interesting. And today (Sunday) still isn't over yet. So it might make like maybe a million more when the final figures are released Monday. 8)

Man, but I wish they'd stop comparing it to Pixar's movies. Ugh. They'll never ever stop.
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So is it safe to say that this is not a bomb????

I have not seen Lion King, Little Mermaid etc that you guys are comparing it to (I know, what are you waiting for?! I plan to see them all eventually when i have more time to rent and sit around watching DVDs) but I gather this means that it didn't flop?

How do we know if it is a flop? What is the $$ threshold they have to reach? If they've made it, all I can say is hooray for Disney. I will be seeing it this week during the week in 3-D!
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Kenai wrote: It was Disney's second-best animated opening ever, behind "The Lion King" with $40.9 million.
That comparison is so unfair because The Lion King was released 11 years ago, back to the days were movie tickets were $3.00 cheaper!

But either way, Chicken Little is officially considered a hit! It's sadly isn't as good as Shrek 2, The Incredibles or Finding Nemo but it is actually doing rather well compared to Treasure Planet or Home on the Range.
Kenai wrote:Man, but I wish they'd stop comparing it to Pixar's movies. Ugh. They'll never ever stop.
AMEN!!! C'mon people, just because Pixar has brought us great movies, not EVERY movie can be as good as Toy Story or Monster's Inc. Luckily the audiences have been giving CL somewhat possitive reviews.
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Pluto Region1 wrote:How do we know if it is a flop? What is the $$ threshold they have to reach?
Well, I think it's safe to say that Chicken Little will not be a financial flop, since it's only $20 million away from making back its' production budget of $60 million. Plus, it's only the first weekend of release!
PatrickvD wrote:Chicken Little's $40 million opening weekend however is already enough for Disney to give him lots of life even after it runs out of gas at the Box Office.
Sure is. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Chicken Little 2 making its' way to DVD sometime in the next few years. :roll:

Man, $40 million already. It's been out for less than three days and already it's made more money than Treasure Planet did in its' entire domestic theatrical run ($38,176,783). That's almost insulting to Treasure Planet, which was awesome and deserved much more than it made, but I won‘t get into that right now.
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Pasta67 wrote: Well, I think it's safe to say that Chicken Little will not be a financial flop, since it's only $20 million away from making back its' production budget of $60 million. Plus, it's only the first weekend of release!
Yes, as long as it makes back what they put in, they are financially in the black... but I am wondering if that is the same as qualifying it as a "hit." Say for example they made a film for $15M and it grosses $15M, but that say $15M sales isn't really a hit, yet they are in the black on it. So my question has more to do as a psychological matter, when does Disney think they have a hit? wonder what they hoped to gross?

If you think about it, seems that the film has done pretty good depite the enormous negative publicity of the negative reviews.

Also, we forgot how much they have paid in advertising. That has got to have cost them millions; everywhere even on cable channels like E! Entertainment, they had a commercial for Chicken Little. Curious to know just how much they paid for advertising; they need to make back what they paid to advertise it as well.
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Guys, something off topic

Did you also had the trailer of Bambi 2 just before the movie?

just wondering, :)
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Well, I retyped my review that I wrote yesterday and guess what: I was kicked off the internet and it was deleted again! I got so mad! But, I typed it again, and I finally get to post it. Third time's a charm! 8)

This is my first attempt at an actual movie review. I’m going to try very hard to make it sound professional (key word being “try”). If any of you don’t want to know anything about the plot before seeing this movie, skip this post.

A summary of the movie from Yahoo.com (because I'm way too lazy to write one myself).
Yahoo.com wrote:The movie picks up where the classic fable ends, namely after our pint-sized hero has caused big-time havoc when he mistakes a falling acorn for a piece of the sky. In the wake of the "unfortunate acorn incident" Chicken Little's name is mud in his hometown of Oakey Oaks. Down but not out, he struggles mightily to restore his reputation and make his Dad, Buck Cluck, proud. Chicken Little joins the local baseball team and, despite the fact that he is barely bigger than a baseball himself, he manages to smack a championship-winning homerun. With one crack of the bat, the town laughingstock becomes the toast of Oakey Oaks. But no sooner has Chicken Little redeemed himself then he is conked on the head one more time. And this time the sky really is falling! Fearful of once again being labeled crazy, Chicken Little tells no one but his best friends, Runt of the Litter, Abby Mallard A.K.A Ugly Duckling and Fish Out of Water, about the threat that hangs over Oakey Oaks. Together this misfit crew tries to save the day. Chicken Little eventually discovers that he needs to risk his newfound popularity and alert his father and the town. When Buck realizes Chicken Little actually has it right this time, he unites with his son and his friends as they set out to save the world.
As most of you probably know, Chicken Little is the latest animated classic from Walt Disney Feature Animation; it’s also the company’s first fully animated CGI film. As most of you also know, it had a very profitable opening weekend of over $40 million, yet received (for the most part) bad critics reviews. I’m pleased to announce that Chicken Little isn’t as bad as many of these critics are making it out to be. In fact, it’s a very enjoyable movie and a fun way to spend 81 minutes.

There’s a lot to appreciate about Chicken Little if you just give it a chance. The plot is entertaining, the visuals are detailed and beautiful, and the characters are just so darn cute. Chicken Little received much of its’ criticism because people were saying it had “terrible characters”. While some of the characters are bland and unexciting, I found some of them, especially Chicken Little, to be very appealing and relatable. Chicken Little’s main goal throughout the movie is to gain the acceptance of his classmates, fellow townspeople, and most importantly, his father. Everybody wants to be liked, and that’s why I was able to connect with Chicken Little’s character and it made me want to see him succeed even more.

As is expected with Disney movies, the animation is top-notch. This is Disney’s first (fully) animated CGI film, and the animation was even better than I thought it would be. I can’t really say anymore than that. Shading, character movements, facial expressions, it’s all so realistic and it really helps make the environment look so much more convincing (well, duh, but I have to think of something to write, right?). Speaking of the environment, it’s so detailed and well-designed. The filmmakers really worked hard to make the world these characters live in look good, and it shows. Chicken Little’s town is entirely populated by animals, and the filmmakers do a good job of making the environment completely “animal-ized” (chameleons as traffic lights, etc.).

The jokes and gags, as was expected, are very funny. While many of the jokes will appeal mostly to children, some of them are clever enough to make adults laugh too. I mean, there are some jokes that are just hilarious; I can remember one time when I was laughing for 20+ seconds, which is longer than it sounds. I may have been laughing so much because I was with some of my friends when I saw it, and movies are always funnier when you watch them with some very close buddies. Even if you go see it alone though, you will be entertained.

Chicken Little is a funny, well-animated adventure, but it has some MAJOR drawbacks that really bring the movie down, and sometimes even distract you from the movie itself. For starters, the emotional scenes just feel forced. For example, there is one scene at the beginning where Chicken Little is looking up at the stars from his roof and praying for a chance to impress his father. Once he has said all he needs to say, and once the audience feels bad for Chicken Little, and the scene feels like it should end, for some reason, it doesn’t. It goes on for about 1 ½ more minutes and you really start to feel that the movie is trying too hard to get the emotion across. It got to the point where I just wanted to say “Okay, we get it. He’s sad. Can we move on with the story now?!”.

Another flaw is the inclusion of useless scenes. Early in the movie, Chicken Little joins the baseball team in an attempt to please his father. From there, we see a 10-15 minute movie-inside-a-movie about Chicken Little’s struggle to become a good baseball player. It’s an entertaining scene, but the problem is that the movie just stops. Nothing happens to move the story forward. It’s just 15 minutes of pointless filler, which is never good for a movie. Sure, Chicken Little does partly gain the town's respect in this scene, so it does serve some purpose, but the scene just lasts way longer than it should.

The biggest drawback is the inclusion of many, many, many pop-culture references throughout the film. Seriously, there’s way too many of these and they even distract you from the film itself. The amount of pop-culture references in this movie rival the number of them in the Shrek films. The sad thing is, many of the movie’s jokes rely on these pop-culture references to get some cheap laughs. That means that in 5-6 years, half of the movie’s comedic arsenal will be dated and unfunny. This normally wouldn’t bother me, since I usually laughed at the pop-culture references, but then the movie went too far. If you’ve seen any trailer for Chicken Little, you know that there are alien invasions involved. Well, in the scene where the town is being invaded, the audience is supposed to have a feeling of destruction, panic, and doom. However, Disney sacrifices good threatening music and replaces it with the song “It’s the End of the World” (you know, the one from the trailers), which takes away any feeling of despair in the entire scene. I usually don’t mind pop-culture references, but when you sacrifice things like a good soundtrack to include them, that’s when I draw the line.

But, the orchestrial score is excellent and exciting, the actors give great performances, and the characters are well-casted.

All things considered, Chicken Little is definitely worth at least one viewing. I found it to be a very enjoyable film and I will be proud to add it to my DVD collection when it comes out.

Oh, and Disney has my eternal gratitude for not putting a fart joke in this movie at all. Seriously, in the entire movie, there is not one fart joke. Thank you Disney!

And no Isidour, I didn't see a Bambi 2 trailer at the beginning. Sorry! :D
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weird, I thougth that you would also have it...

I mean when before the movie starts they pass some previews and trailers from movies like Harry Potter and the Golbet of Fire, Narnia and all those upcomings
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Isidour, they don't show trailers to movies that are direct to video like Bambi 2 in a movie theater. Why should they advertise something that will take people out of the theater, it is hard enough to get them to come in to the theater, what with the prices and all. (Though here in Kansas we don't have to worry about that, we still have $5 matinee prices until 6 pm and $7 prices after 6 pm, and then if you wait long enough we have a $2 second run house. Also our snack bars are NOT price prohibitive, 2 Large 32 ounce drinks and a Large Barrel of Popcorn for $10 - a savings of $3 if you bought them individually - is not a bad price. All candy is $2.25 or less. And Papa John's personal pizza are $3.50 and $4.)

Pasta67, I think your review is top notch, although I do think you are a little nit-picky about certain scenes that are included in the movie to move the story along smoothly. You need to work on your spelling, but that is a minor point, because your review is very inclusive of all that makes this movie good. I think it is a more than one-time viewing movie myself, as I have already seen it twice in the 2-D version and once in the 3-D version. I prefer the regular one over the 3-D, because I am a firm believer that 3-D has run it course way back in the 50s. Just one more reason why I think the "Star Wars Movies in 3-D" will be a total waste of time.


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Pasta67 wrote:
Pluto Region1 wrote:How do we know if it is a flop? What is the $$ threshold they have to reach?
Well, I think it's safe to say that Chicken Little will not be a financial flop, since it's only $20 million away from making back its' production budget of $60 million. Plus, it's only the first weekend of release!
Actually, the accepted wisdom is a film has to earn between 1.5 and 2.5 times its budget in ticket sales to be profitable. That's because there's advertising costs, the theaters have their cut of the takings and in the case of overseas showings, translation and redubbing costs. In addition, some films are adapted from existing works who demand a percentage of the box office takings, or have talent on similar contracts.

As you can imagine, it's almost impossible for a mid-high budgeted film to make a profit these days on the theatrical release alone. (Warners still insist the first Batman movie hasn't made a profit - one of the reasons is the revenue sharing agreement with Jack Nicholson).

However, there's much more revenue than ticket sales to consider these days. From the eventual home video release to the tie-in food promotions, a movie has multiple revenue streams. I'm pretty sure Chicken Little will make an overall profit this week or next week from ticket sales and associated merchandise sales.
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Actual I was hoping that it would flop so disney would come to see that it wasn't 2D animation that was dying, but just that they just made not so good movies as they used to.
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Oh, Isidour, according to Yahoo! Movies, Chicken Little also debuted at no.1 in Mexico as well. :D
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I saw Chicken Little in 3-D, and it was a fantastic experience. It was a pleasure to see 3-D effects that were designed for an immersive experience rather than gags.

I loved the character design and acting, and my favorite characters are Runt and Abby. There were also plenty of cool homages to movies from all eras.

Overall, the movie was captivating and enjoyable. I recommend it to anyone over the age of five.
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Actually, the accepted wisdom is a film has to earn between 1.5 and 2.5 times its budget in ticket sales to be profitable. That's because there's advertising costs, the theaters have their cut of the takings and in the case of overseas showings, translation and redubbing costs. In addition, some films are adapted from existing works who demand a percentage of the box office takings, or have talent on similar contracts.
Let's also not forget the cost to transfer it to 3D. I understand that cost is about 7 million or so and they didn't do it until late in the game. Does the 60M$ or so of production costs include the 3D transfer?

Marketing costs are also amazingly high. With all the coverage they're trying to give this movie I'm sure it's crazy how much they're spending. I heard it was about 40M$ in marketing costs alone for the Cinderella DVD release. How much are they spending to promote a dying feature animation department and bring it back to life? Probabaly at least as much. I wouldn't be surprised if they needed to make 100M$ to recoup all of the costs of the film. Then, DVD, merchandising etc etc is all gravy.
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Well, Disney's gone up, Pixar's gone down.
LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) - Shares of Pixar dropped Monday after Walt Disney Co. proved it could at least open a computer-animated film to positive results with "Chicken Little."

"Chicken Little" opened to lukewarm reviews on Friday but took in an estimated $40 million at the box office to open the film industry's holiday season. The movie was expected to earn roughly $30 million to $35 million in revenue.

Those aren't exactly the sterling numbers that some of Pixar's films have generated on their first weekends, but analysts said they considered it a respectable showing on Disney's part.

"'Chicken Little's' opening weekend performance should take some pressure off Disney. Disney needed the film to open at a respectable level in order to demonstrate the company's ability to remain a key player in the animated film market," SG Cowen analyst Lowell Singer wrote in a note to clients.

Analyst Marla Backer of Soleil/Research Associates said "Chicken Little's" opening is just behind DreamWorks Animation's openings for "Madagascar" and "Shark Tale." But still far behind the $70 million-plus openings of recent Pixar releases "The Incredibles" and "Finding Nemo."
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This is from IMDB:
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Analysts generally agreed that the solid performance of Chicken Little indicated that Disney could turn out successful computer-animated fare on its own, particularly when it didn't have to share the profits with Pixar. Nevertheless, they noted, Chicken Little's weekend gross was eclipsed by other CGI features from Pixar and DreamWorks animation. Jim Hill, who follows the fortunes of Disney animation on his website JimHillMedia.com, pointed out that Chicken Little took in only $1.2 million more than the opening of Disney's 2000 feature Dinosaur, which played on 400 fewer screens when the average ticket price was $5.48 vs. the current $6.40, which, said Hill, "is not exactly what I'd call a decisive victory." Hill also pointed out that Chicken Little averaged just $10,970 per theater, slightly less than the hand-drawn animated films Tarzan and Lilo and Stitch. Meanwhile, today's (Monday) Wall Street Journal reported that Disney has decided to slow down production of some of its planned animated features and will have no new release in 2007. Citing people familiar with the situation, the newspaper said that Disney will not release American Dog until the summer of 2008. Meet the Robinsons remains set for a release in December 2006, but Rapunzel Unbraided, originally scheduled for release in 2008, will now be delayed until the summer of 2009.
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Disney will not release American Dog until the summer of 2008. Meet the Robinsons remains set for a release in December 2006, but Rapunzel Unbraided, originally scheduled for release in 2008, will now be delayed until the summer of 2009.
Maybe they will get rid of the interworld travel in Rapunzel, and do a regular fairy tale. :)
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Yeah I read that. No new Disney movie for 2007. At least they'll finally break tradition and take a break.
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