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blackcauldron85 wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:56 amI agree (I bet most of us do). I know it's probably marketing/"spin" to say things like that, but is she informed on how hand-drawn films are made? I don't mean that in a mean way, but obviously everything is possible in hand-drawn. Some things are easier in CG (I'm thinking vehicles, for example)
Well, easier ≠ limitation. Yes, some things require more time and work, but literally anything's possible. Conversely, CG is not as time-efficent or filmmaker-friendly as some like to claim. In Moana, the directors couldn't have many transformations for Maui, because each one had to be modeled and rigged and that was time- and cost-prohibitive. Now compare it to the myriad transformations Genie had in Aladdin. Not to mention, if significant changes or retooling needs to happen in the middle of production, or even just small impromptu additions or alterations, it's more expensive and time-consuming to do so with a CG pipeline than a 2D one. To me, it's clear CG has more limitations than 2D in the filmmaking process and I'm not even taking into account issues of fluidity or aesthetics.
The Disneynerd wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:52 amBut atleast Asha will look on model on every frame :P
Rapunzel has like a different face in each scene, so CG does not necessarily eliminate off-modelness. CG models can often look off depending on angle, perspective and expression.
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Sotiris wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:28 pm Well, easier ≠ limitation. Yes, some things require more time and work, but literally anything's possible. Conversely, CG is not as time-efficent or filmmaker-friendly as some like to claim. In Moana, the directors couldn't have many transformations for Maui, because each one had to be modeled and rigged and that was time- and cost-prohibitive. Now compare it to the myriad transformations Genie had in Aladdin. Not to mention, if significant changes or retooling needs to happen in the middle of production, or even just small impromptu additions or alterations, it's more expensive and time-consuming to do so with a CG pipeline than a 2D one. To me, it's clear CG has more limitations than 2D in the filmmaking process and I'm not even taking into account issues of fluidity or aesthetics.
I agree with that. I'm very pro-hand-drawn and I think the medium is limitless. I just meant that an argument I could understand (vs. what Lee said) would be if certain "material things" like vehicles were mentioned as being easier in CG. Your examples of Maui vs. Genie obviously prove Lee just doesn't understand what she's talking about.
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To me, seeing an actual human's work behind a character, being able to pinpoint which animator was the lead on that character, and witnessing how that character literally comes alive more than makes up for an occasional instance where the character happens to be off-model. I don't mean to imply that CG is done without human input, but it just feels so anonymous and impersonal. Of course, there are 2D movies where off-modelness is distracting to the point of not being able to enjoy the rest of the movie, but I've yet to see that in Disney's hand-drawn animation.
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The Disneynerd wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:02 am
blackcauldron85 wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:56 am
Do you mean vs. someone like Belle?
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Disney Store dolls will be out tomorrow (Oct. 2) and surprise, surprise ( :roll: ) they look better than Mattel's. What's the point of Disney's deal with Mattel when dolls end up looking abysmal?

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Disney store's Asha doesn’t look better than Mattel’s one. The gown is better but her head is very small and the face look weird.
The queen however looks fantastic
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It's funny how they try to claim that Asha is not a princess but then international marketing releases a poster that says "Princess Asha":

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Who cares, the princess title doesn't mean anything, Mulan is not a princess and was sold as a princess

Pocahontas and Moana are daughters of the leader of the tribe so not "princesses", since I think both cultures decided who their leaders were

Belle, Cinderella etc don't start as princesses
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I wonder if the “Asha is not a princess” talk is more to do with branding/merchandising. I imagine that an individual movie franchise is a lot more valuable to Disney than adding another character to an established franchise like the “Disney Princess” brand. “Frozen” has been a wild success for Disney and I remember early talk that “Moana” might have stayed its own franchise before it got folded into the “Princess” brand. The “Encanto” brand still seems to be going strong. Disney probably wants “Wish” to be another “Frozen” or “Encanto,” ergo the PR speak distancing Asha from the Disney Princess moniker. I have no doubt that if the “Wish” brand is less successful than “Encanto” or “Frozen” that Asha will be inducted into the “Disney Princess” lineup, just like Raya.
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I wonder if Asha will end up in the woods playing the ukulele with the rabbits and the squirrels during the song You’re A Star.
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Pokenonbinary wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:00 amWho cares, the princess title doesn't mean anything, Mulan is not a princess and was sold as a princess.
She wasn't sold as a princess at the time of her movie's release. She was included in the Disney Princess franchise years later.
Pokenonbinary wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:00 amPocahontas and Moana are daughters of the leader of the tribe so not "princesses", since I think both cultures decided who their leaders were.
Actually, Powhatan inherited the leadership of his tribe and after he passed, it was transferred to his younger brother. Moana's tribe is fictional, but many tribes in Polynesia had hereditary leaders. The only reason they were called chiefs instead of kings by the colonizers was so as not to threaten the power and status of their own kings by referring them with the same rank.
Pokenonbinary wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:00 amBelle, Cinderella etc don't start as princesses
But they end as princesses which means they are royalty in their actual films whereas Asha isn't. Personally, I don't have a problem with non-royal characters like Mulan or Asha joining the Disney Princess line-up, but at least don't give a big spiel about the character not being a princess, knowing very well that Disney Consumer Products is going to induct them into the line-up in a couple of years.
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I'm very curious as to how King Magnifico's villain song "This Is the Thanks I Get" is going to turn out. The last time we had a villain song was "Mother Knows Best" from Tangled, and while I found the song a bit funny and Donna Murphy's performance good, it was certainly lacking in comparison to the villain songs before it. The song has been described by the press as "fun and menacing", so hopefully it turns out to be awesome.

Honestly, the best-case scenario for Julia Michaels and Benjamin Rice's songs is that they all surprise us for how good they are as a whole, like how Elton John and Tim Rice's songs did for The Lion King. A pop artist who proved that they could write songs for Disney musicals, and they didn't need to come from musical theatre to do so.
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Tim Rice did have a background in musical theatre before working on The Lion King and he also worked on Aladdin.
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Farerb wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:17 am Tim Rice did have a background in musical theatre before working on The Lion King and he also worked on Aladdin.
You're right, my bad. I guess that Michaels and Rice would be more comparable with Phil Collins than Elton and Tim. At least Elton John did have Tim Rice's help when they collaborated together. My point is that it will be interesting to see how Julia Michaels and Benjamin Rice's songs and how they're used in the story/characters will turn out. While it would've made a little bit of sense to hire either the Lopezes or Alan Menken for the songs for Wish, the fact that they hired new songwriters who never wrote for a Disney musical before makes this even more interesting IMO.
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Two of Tim Rice’s shows, for which he wrote the lyrics, that I am especially familiar with are Jesus Christ Superstar and Chess.
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Here’s a couple of new girls’ T-shirts featuring Asha and The Teens:
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New book covers:

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The description of the book Disney Wish: A Recipe for Adventure, which tells an original story inspired by the film, confirms Dahlia is the castle baker and reveals she has a crush on Magnifico.
Anything is possible in the Kingdom of Wishes! Based on Disney's Wish, this charming middle grade novel retells and expands on the story of the film.

As castle baker, Dahlia knows the perfect recipe for every occasion, and she prepares in advance for whatever she might need or encounter. Dahlia believes that in the royal kitchens--as in life--there is a place for everything and everything should be in its place. But things get stirred up in the magical kingdom of Rosas when Dahlia's best friend, Asha, discovers that all may not be as perfect as she believed.

Dahlia is whisked up into an adventure of a lifetime. She must sift through her thoughts and feelings--weighing her loyalty to her best friend, her crush on their handsome sorcerer-king, and her innate desire to keep both her kitchen and her life tidy.

Will Dahlia follow the recipe that has been laid out before her or take a risk and mix up something wholly her own?
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Also, Jennifer Lee gives some hints about Magnifico and the plot of the movie in a new article:
"Well, for us, too, it was like we always wanted to do a nod to the Disney villains. And our audience was craving for another villain. So, [that new song is] just the beginning of him, so yeah, there's more to see. Asha will have to find the strength within herself to inspire the entire kingdom to stand up to Magnifico and use increasingly dangerous magic in the hopes of saving Star and saving them all."

When asked by a member of the audience what the team was thinking about when they created Magnifico and if there were any specific Disney villains or real-life personalities behind his inspirations, Lee admitted that they wanted viewers to “meet the best of him” but hopefully, by the end of the movie, “survive the worst of him:”

"You know, what's interesting is we talked at length. First, we started with, what do we think about for villains that we'd love to do? How can we be different from the previous films but also a nod to them? And it really is about getting to watch that journey. So we knew we wanted to start where you get to watch him make choices where you might meet the best of him, and then hopefully, survive the worst of him."

She then complimented songwriter Julia Michaels and how Magnifico’s song was born out of “the idea of a narcissist” while also hilariously serving as “a nod to all moms put up with in the house:”

"And so that was there. And Julia Michaels was instrumental because “This Is the Thanks I Get” as an idea, which, hilariously, is a nod to all moms put up within the house. We talked a lot about [and] for her, she hooked on the idea of a narcissist. So it comes really simple, down to character and the deliciousness and danger of that. And so, for me, when I write, that's how I had to process it, was from inside out. And the person, the charm of that, that, when tested, people make different choices when tested."

Lee elaborated how “the playground always comes from character” and that building Magnifico’s character “was so fun to do:”

"And so, the playground always comes from character. I think people see different things in it and different societies in it, but that's just because that's how we live and who we are. So we're really trying to not do one. We're not. And actually, you'll see the queen make very different choices from him. I won't give those away. But it's really just about what we kept coming back to is, at the core of the person, who's the most vulnerable in some ways to these things? And Julia was instrumental in that. But boy, that was so fun to do once we started building it."

Later in the panel, Lee also dropped a tantalizing tease suggesting that Asha and King Magnifico might even get a duo:

"And I'm gonna tease a song, but I won't say what it is. There's a song that I have always dreamed of having a moment where the protagonist and villain are aligned in their philosophies because it's before life really challenges you to. When you're challenged is how you make choices."
Source: https://thedirect.com/article/disney-chris-pine-villain
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The quote about King Magnifico's villain song: "the deliciousness and danger of that", makes me hope that his song is going to be something special when it comes to the song itself and the visuals. It's been quite a long while since WDAS did something like this, "Shiny" from Moana comes close, but Tamatoa only has something of a cameo part in the final film.
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