Frozen: Part IV

[disneyprincess11]

Frozen is featured in the new Disney Princess meet and greet at Disney World!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPYIhIuwi_4

Paused at 1:27. Snedronningen means Snow Queen! Great job, Imagineers!

[phan258]

Movie I was wondering what happens to Hans as well. As far as I remember the Junior Novelization just said Kristoff punched him and he fell off a dock...? Anna might have punched him as well. Either way it didn't mention him dying but do they tend to dumb down the books for children? I'm sure he goes to jail at the very least

Taei I think I get you now, although can you see where I was coming from? Saying "This is the age where a woman has to be the one who kisses the man first" made me think you were referring to the gender of the characters, not their personal growth. I disagree about Flynn and Rapunzel but I can understand your pov. The tension created by the Anna/Kristoff/Hans triangle is one of the things I'm anticipating most about Frozen (especially knowing what we do about Hans)-- I'm just not sure why Kristoff kissing Anna would be more meaningful, I guess. It seems about the same to me either way.

In any case, I'm sorry for coming across too strong. I was offended by the notion that a woman couldn't kiss as meaningfully as a man, lol.

[RyGuy]

Is there a clear lead of the two sisters in the film do you think, or is it an even split?

Having read most of the Junior Novelization, the clear lead is Anna. It's definitely not an even split. It's similar to how Vanellope becomes the lead in Wreck-It Ralph. At the beginning you think the narrative will revolve around Ralph but once you enter Suger Rush it becomes Vanellope's story. Following the same route, at the beginning you think this is going to be Elsa's story but pretty much after the prologue it becomes Anna's story.

I am cool with it being mostly Anna's story. In the original Snow Queen, much of it was Gerda's story, so in my mind it kind of makes sense.

Sometimes I wonder if Elsa's character were voiced by someone else (like Amanda Seyfried or Brittany Snow who can sing, but aren't Idina Menzel) whether people would obsess over her character as much?

[Warm Regards]

Movie I was wondering what happens to Hans as well. As far as I remember the Junior Novelization just said Kristoff punched him and he fell off a dock...? Anna might have punched him as well. Either way it didn't mention him dying but do they tend to dumb down the books for children? I'm sure he goes to jail at the very least

If I remember correctly, after Hans' sword breaks after striking a frozen Anna, Kristoff punches him, knocking him out. (It was phrased like, "There would be no second blows for Hans.") Then we have the scene with the sisters. Anna is then resurrected, Elsa realizes she can control her powers, and winter begins to go away. Then Hans wakes up, says (I guess in mercy?) that he thought Elsa had killed Anna. Anna then says something like, "You're the one with a cold heart", punches him, and he falls into the lake.

To be honest, I find his demise hilarious. It's like something out of a sitcom.

But as someone else noted: Was the lake still frozen or at least cold when Hans fell in? Or did Anna KO him with her punch, and he basically just unconsciously drowned? Or both?

[PrincessElsa]

I am cool with it being mostly Anna's story.

For me, it's a terrible disappointment.

Sometimes I wonder if Elsa's character were voiced by someone else (like Amanda Seyfried or Brittany Snow who can sing, but aren't Idina Menzel) whether people would obsess over her character as much?

Speaking for myself, I never even knew who Idina Menzel was, prior to the info about this film coming out. And although this may be an unpopular opinion, I'm not all that taken with her voice. "Let It Go" is a great song because of its lyrics, but of the many, many reasons why I think Elsa is an amazing character - in fact by far the most interesting character in Frozen, by many orders of magnitude - the voice actress playing her isn't anywhere near the top of my list.

If it were a different actress playing Elsa, that would make little difference to me, so long as she could do justice to the part.

[phan258]

If I remember correctly, after Hans' sword breaks after striking a frozen Anna, Kristoff punches him, knocking him out. (It was phrased like, "There would be no second blows for Hans.") Then we have the scene with the sisters. Anna is then resurrected, Elsa realizes she can control her powers, and winter begins to go away. Then Hans wakes up, says (I guess in mercy?) that he thought Elsa had killed Anna. Anna then says something like, "You're the one with a cold heart", punches him, and he falls into the lake.

To be honest, I find his demise hilarious. It's like something out of a sitcom.

But as someone else noted: Was the lake still frozen or at least cold when Hans fell in? Or did Anna KO him with her punch, and he basically just unconsciously drowned? Or both?

Ah that's right, thanks. I seem to recall it started warming/thawing when Elsa saw Anna was alive, reacting to her emotions? So I guess it's water again at that point. Personally I would prefer if Hans lived (fanfiction train pulling into the station toot toot)

[taei]

In any case, I'm sorry for coming across too strong. I was offended by the notion that a woman couldn't kiss as meaningfully as a man, lol.

No worries, I'm not saying that a woman's kiss is weak. sometimes its even stronger, but just like I said, it all depends on the context.

Kristoff being the one who kisses Anna first makes sense to me because that's what he would do, since he's been pining over her. Anna on the other hand talks about Hans the whole movie, so how would she know that she loves Kristoff?
I guess it's one of those things that'll unfold when we see the movie!

[qindarka]

In any case, I'm sorry for coming across too strong. I was offended by the notion that a woman couldn't kiss as meaningfully as a man, lol.

No worries, I'm not saying that a woman's kiss is weak. sometimes its even stronger, but just like I said, it all depends on the context.

Kristoff being the one who kisses Anna first makes sense to me because that's what he would do, since he's been pining over her. Anna on the other hand talks about Hans the whole movie, so how would she know that she loves Kristoff?
I guess it's one of those things that'll unfold when we see the movie!

One could also put forward the argument that since it is Kritstoff that pines over her and the attraction might have seemed one sided, Anna initiating the kiss might be more meaningful to show that she does care a lot despite what has gone on before.

Not that I think this is necessarily important or even accurate, the movie not being out yet.

In regards to Hans, I don't see him dying. With his sword broken at the end, he is neutered and I don't see Disney characters killing an unarmed person. Yes, the subsequent fanfic will be unbearable.

[disneyprincess11]

Oh man. ALL of these FROZEN spoilers are so tempting. Are they THAT huge and Hans is THAT evil?!

[Sotiris]

I find that having the girl initiate the kiss has become an overworn and trite symbol of female empowerment in films. Similar to the constant use of the corset as a symbol of female oppression, this also seems like a cheap and unimaginative way to appear progressive. Surely, there must be better, more original ways to achieve that. Besides, Disney has already done it with Hercules, Tarzan, Enchanted, and Tangled. I'm not saying the guy should initiate the kiss but why can't they just kiss at the same time like they used to anymore?

[Edthehyena]

OMG what a pity and what a shame ! []There was a time when villains falls were so original and symbolic ( Jafar, Rourke, Yzma, Gothel, Facilier...) !!!! Good guys killing bad guys, no. But Hans, even metaphorically, deserves to be frozen !!!! If a guy tried to kill me and my sister, and if i had the power, i would do it !!!!!

[Lady Cluck]

Isn't Kristoff's character kind of an introvert and closed off from people? His song is about reindeer being better than people, no? The fact that he warms up to Anna and grows feelings for her is powerful enough for him. If he kissed her first knowing that she was "taken" that would open up all kinds of moral issues that Disney probably doesn't want to touch , but just because the girl makes the first move doesn't mean it's intentionally feminist. It can fit the characters without pushing an agenda.

Anna, Elsa, and Kristoff all seem to find what they're looking for (love, acceptance, companionship) in places they don't expect it. It could be a pretty well-crafted and powerful story if done right, and I think we should see it played out on screen to its full effect before nitpicking.

[disneyprincess11]

Preview of the upcoming Frozen vinylmations!

[Disney's Divinity]

I personally don't mind most spoilers of the latest films, which is why I still browse through this thread. I'm not pointing any fingers as I completely understand the excitement, but in general I think there are a lot of fans who don't even post here that have way too many expectations riding on this film. To be fair I felt the same about both Tangled and Brave, and to be honest I was personally more excited about Tangled than any other recent film in memory (as much I love Princess and the Frog).

Personally, it's still so strange to me that people find story details to Disney films spoilers. It's not that I think of Disney films as lesser, but I think we all could predict where the story's going so it's not like the movie is ruined if we know the villain dies and the main characters marry and live happily ever after.

Tbh, now that I think about it, the only Disney movie I've ever ridden this wave on (with all the excitement/speculation/expectations) was TP&TF and I really loved that movie. I did the same thing with it as I did with Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows novel--telling myself not to have unreachable expectations and go where the story takes me. So I don't think the forums have ruined any experience for me. Of course, I think TP&TF is the only film I've done that with since most of the '90s films were already out when I was a child and the 2000 films weren't anything to look forward to... I believe the only one might've been Mulan; I remember writing an entirely different film in my head from the commericals alone, but I still ended up loving the movie even though it was nothing like what I expected.

[DisneyFan09]

I actually got a major spoiler about the ending of Pocahontas through Entertainment Weekly months before it was in theaters, and sat in the Border's bookstore in downtown Chicago and read the junior novelization around the same time. I also read some harsh criticisms against Disney through EW (the supposed subliminal messages) in a later issue shortly before Hunchback was released, along with some spoilers from that film. It was around the time of Hunchback that I started interacting with more Disney fans through snail-mail (I wasn't cool enough for internet yet), and I don't recall anyone being overly-critical of new material; we were just happy to share whatever slim pickings we could get our hands on and talked about what our likes and dislikes whenever we finally got to see any new films.

Thats true, enigmawing. I wonder how the Disney fans would react if they knew about the unhappy ending of "Pocahontas" and the controversies of "Hunchback" if they were released today.

[PrincessElsa]

Thats true, enigmawing. I wonder how the Disney fans would react if they knew about the unhappy ending of "Pocahontas" [. . .]

They'd probably say, "Yikes. This is going to hurt it at the box office."

And they'd be right.

[phan258]

In regards to Hans, I don't see him dying. With his sword broken at the end, he is neutered and I don't see Disney characters killing an unarmed person. Yes, the subsequent fanfic will be unbearable.

Good point, and I'm curious as to how this could affect the relationship between Arendelle and the Southern Isles. Is the entire royal family bad news or was Hans the black sheep? Still wondering how the Duke factors into all this...and don't get me wrong. I love fanfic: crazy, well-written, terrible, wonderful, all of it I'm super excited for the fanart to come as well.

Personally, it's still so strange to me that people find story details to Disney films spoilers. It's not that I think of Disney films as lesser, but I think we all could predict where the story's going so it's not like the movie is ruined if we know the villain dies and the main characters marry and live happily ever after.

Ha, I agree somewhat, but I know out of my friends I'm the one who loves spoilers & they avoid them no matter how simple the subject might seem. It's actually fun for me to watch their faces/reactions to twists and I really did not think Disney would go for the handsome prince villain, so that was a fun surprise for me. I can't wait to see how my buddies respond. I have to refrain from saying which characters are my faves because they know I love the bad guys

[RyGuy]

I think Pocahontas' "failure" had less to do with the unhappy ending and more to do with most folks just found the movie to be boring. Like Kocoum, it was "so serious" . . .

I know John Candy recorded some dialogue for a character called Redfeather (sp?) that ultimately was cut from the movie. I wonder whether the movie might have found more mainstream appeal had that character survived.

Because Percy, Meeko and Flik just weren't that funny following Timon & Pumba, the Genie, Lumiere and Gaston, Scuttle and Sebastian.

And while not every movie needs to be a comedy, comic relief has been part of most Disney animated movies since the very beginning.

[disneyprincess11]

I know John Candy recorded some dialogue for a character called Redfeather (sp?) that ultimately was cut from the movie. I wonder whether the movie might have found more mainstream appeal had that character survived.

Redfeather was deleted because John Candy died of a heart attack in the middle of Pocahontas.

But, whole Pocahontas and Hunchback weren't big hits, they are popular today.

[Warm Regards]

Trivia time: apparently, Hans' horse's official name is Lemon... kinda.

Question: Is there any way we can get a confirmation of what Han's horse's name is for #FrozenFriday?

Jennifer Lee: Well, since it's #FrozenFriday. Han's horse's name is Sitron, which we all know is Norwegian for...wait for it...Lemon.

"Lemon" was a fan name, never official. So I'm assuming the creators just wanted to throw a bone to the Frozen fans.

Maybe we can decide the names of Hans' older brothers or something.