Kraken Guard wrote:Sorry. But I think I've read enough about it to know that it's not something I'm putting my money into seeing at the theaters, and being told 'you haven't seen it yet, so how can you judge' makes it all the more worse... I'll see it when it comes on to television, but that's it.
From what I've read, it's everything I never wanted all rolled onto one taco. It might be a good movie. It looks like a good movie. But they've changed the characters too much, and I can't bring myself to forgive them.
So no. Sorry. But no.
Seeing as you're such a big Maleficent fan, I'd imagine you'd be super-duper excited about seeing it. The same character, but from a different perspective.
I would have been excited, except I'm not a huge fan of Angelina Jolie. Plus, they've changed the character to the point where it's no longer the Maleficent I know and love.
The character herself would be disgusted to see what they've turned her into, if Maleficent ever were a real person...
I'm excited for it for sure, and I certainly don't hope it bombs at all, but personally, I just think the aim of the movie has become a little muddled, and I think that's where the excitement has become slightly lost on me.
Fflewduur wrote:Hey, you’re absolutely entitled to your opinion, and to making informed choices about how to spend your money. No problem with any of that whatsoever.
It’s the “I hope it bombs” and “they’ve ruined Sleeping Beauty” kind of sentiment that’s misplaced. There’s a huge difference between deciding one is disinterested and actively lobbying for its failure—the latter *is* the definition of unproductive, a *destructive* sentiment. And it’s petty.
Why hope for its failure anyway? It hasn’t “ruined Sleeping Beauty”—it hasn’t *touched* Sleeping Beauty. This isn’t Star Wars we’re talking about; no one is going into the animation studio and the editing bay to make changes to the animated feature to accommodate this new iteration. If you love the '59 classic, it still exists; if Maleficent ruins that for someone, that’s a personal choice. Wicked didn’t “ruin” The Wizard of Oz.
This. All of this. Of course anyone is free to discuss aspects that they don't like or agree with about the film, but there's a difference between that and aimless complaining. I can only imagine that if you're to the point where there's no redeeming factor for the film, that it would be wise to just act like it doesn't exist or not waste time thinking about something that makes you unhappy.
Fflewduur wrote:
It’s the “I hope it bombs” and “they’ve ruined Sleeping Beauty” kind of sentiment that’s misplaced. There’s a huge difference between deciding one is disinterested and actively lobbying for its failure—the latter *is* the definition of unproductive, a *destructive* sentiment. And it’s petty.
Why hope for its failure anyway? It hasn’t “ruined Sleeping Beauty”—it hasn’t *touched* Sleeping Beauty. This isn’t Star Wars we’re talking about; no one is going into the animation studio and the editing bay to make changes to the animated feature to accommodate this new iteration. If you love the '59 classic, it still exists; if Maleficent ruins that for someone, that’s a personal choice. Wicked didn’t “ruin” The Wizard of Oz.
Yes, I agree. I think people who 'hate' the Maleficent movie (without even seeing it) just need to think of it as another story, not a way to try and change the original animated movie (which they never stated that it would be). The tagline 'you think you know the story, now discover the truth' is just what it is: a tagline for marketing and if you don't like it then you don't need to watch it.
Just see this one and Sleeping Beauty as two different entities.
I am really excited, even if they change some stuff. So far I have loved everything I've seen and I think Jolie is amazing in this one. May 28th is not that far anymore!
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Sicoe Vlad wrote:
Seeing as you're such a big Maleficent fan, I'd imagine you'd be super-duper excited about seeing it. The same character, but from a different perspective.
I would have been excited, except I'm not a huge fan of Angelina Jolie. Plus, they've changed the character to the point where it's no longer the Maleficent I know and love.
The character herself would be disgusted to see what they've turned her into, if Maleficent ever were a real person...
Okay, well I respect your opinion. And yes, it does sound like they changed her character a lot, but at least, from the trailer, Jolie's performance was very similar to Eleanor Audley's performance in the animated film. Of course, the original animated character will always be the best, but nevertheless, I'm curious to see what they came up with.
I'm pretty much happy about the way things are going thus far. I understood that it would be difficult to pull off an entire movie with Maleficent as the main character and have her be evil the whole time. But I really think it can be done, you just show her as a powerful badass type character who got too strong for her own good and was cast asunder for that reason and hey presto, she turns against the people who reject her. It does happen in real life.
I do think it will be very stupid if I watch it and it's about how much Maleficent had her heart broken and how sympathetic she is and how much she loves Aurora, etc, etc. She isn't the tragic hero. She is a badass fighter. They can clearly show her being betrayed but not necessarily show her as ever being a weak character. I'm thinking more of a Dracula type thing.
I understand that that is harder to target to children, but I thought they were trying to target to an older audience with this movie.
OH.MY.GOD. I already knew this movie would be horrific, but now it sounds like one of the worst movies I've ever heard of. Thanks for putting out this piece of shit, Disney. What an abomination!
Lady Cluck wrote:OH.MY.GOD. I already knew this movie would be horrific, but now it sounds like one of the worst movies I've ever heard of. Thanks for putting out this piece of shit, Disney. What an abomination!
Lady Cluck wrote:OH.MY.GOD. I already knew this movie would be horrific, but now it sounds like one of the worst movies I've ever heard of. Thanks for putting out this piece of shit, Disney. What an abomination!
Don't know if kidding or serious....must be the former.
I think the trailers that we've gotten so far are great, plus pumping me up with excitement and yet while there is a good amount of people who have no faith in this movie, I think that IF my theory is right about the ending, then Linda Woolverton and Paul Dini has trolled all of you. Besides, when you start to think about it; not all novelizations based on live action films are accurate to the final version (except for some animated films turned novelizations, with stuff that was cut out).
Someone reviewed the sneak peek at Disney World and confirmed that the christening scene is the opening to the movie.
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The issue with the novelizations, animated or otherwise, is they are often adapted from scripts that are not 100% final. I don't really know the timeline but figure at least 6 months from the time the novelization is written until it gets published. There's a lot of opportunities for many details to be off, but it generally doesn't affect the storyline.
It's almost a no brainer that the christening would be in the beginning for multiple reasons. One being that's iconic to the property, so the audience can immediately connect. Second, going by the trailers/commercials, the stuff that happens in the beginning of the novelizations are just not appropriate to begin any film. Sorry if that's not as cryptic as I hoped it would be.
bradk wrote:The issue with the novelizations, animated or otherwise, is they are often adapted from scripts that are not 100% final. I don't really know the timeline but figure at least 6 months from the time the novelization is written until it gets published. There's a lot of opportunities for many details to be off, but it generally doesn't affect the storyline.
It's almost a no brainer that the christening would be in the beginning for multiple reasons. One being that's iconic to the property, so the audience can immediately connect. Second, going by the trailers/commercials, the stuff that happens in the beginning of the novelizations are just not appropriate to begin any film. Sorry if that's not as cryptic as I hoped it would be.
You're right about it not affecting the storyline and that novelizations are not 100% accurate to the final version of the film, and the novelization that's coming out is a "junior" version, so it does make sense that some important story elements are not in it and replaced by story elements from previous drafts of the screenplay. I still think that the final movie might end on a really dark note, (with the death of Diaval, Stefan and Maleficent, who has turned pure evil when Diaval gets killed by Stefan's men) except for Aurora becoming Queen of the human and fairy kingdoms both with Phillip by her side.
Can't wait!
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Warning! This contains potential spoilers about the film! My optimistic brain is telling me that Disney HAS listened to us and done some changes before/or during, filming. But we can all take this with a grain of salt untill the film is released.
Musical Master wrote:All I can say is that after reading this....WOAH!
Warning! This contains potential spoilers about the film! My optimistic brain is telling me that Disney HAS listened to us and done some changes before/or during, filming. But we can all take this with a grain of salt untill the film is released.
This all comes from a single poster on IMDB so I am taking with the smallest grain of salt possible....A lot of what he says kinda makes sense however a lot of it does not so I guess we will see.
One thing that I keep thinking about though is that they didn't HAVE to show Diaval turning into the dragon in the trailer...they could have just shown a clip of the men fighting the dragon. This shows that they wanted us to know that that dragon was Diaval pretty early on. Now Maleficent turning into the dragon is what she is most famous for so I dont understand why they 1) chose to squash that hype by revealing that the dragon is Diaval and not her IN THE TRAILER and 2) it was just kinda tacked onto the end of the trailer without any kind of buildup. So my thought is, maybe they wanted to make sure that we knew that this dragon was Diaval so when they reveal the Maleficent dragon we will understand why we are seeing a different one
Musical Master wrote:All I can say is that after reading this....WOAH!
Warning! This contains potential spoilers about the film! My optimistic brain is telling me that Disney HAS listened to us and done some changes before/or during, filming. But we can all take this with a grain of salt untill the film is released.
This all comes from a single poster on IMDB so I am taking with the smallest grain of salt possible....A lot of what he says kinda makes sense however a lot of it does not so I guess we will see.
One thing that I keep thinking about though is that they didn't HAVE to show Diaval turning into the dragon in the trailer...they could have just shown a clip of the men fighting the dragon. This shows that they wanted us to know that that dragon was Diaval pretty early on. Now Maleficent turning into the dragon is what she is most famous for so I dont understand why they 1) chose to squash that hype by revealing that the dragon is Diaval and not her IN THE TRAILER and 2) it was just kinda tacked onto the end of the trailer without any kind of buildup. So my thought is, maybe they wanted to make sure that we knew that this dragon was Diaval so when they reveal the Maleficent dragon we will understand why we are seeing a different one
You are correct about that and here's the very same poster on IMDB announcing the thread takedown due to "technical and wonky legal issues" he faced when making the thread which could make things even more confusing for everyone.
the one key problem I have with that poster and the IMDB thread is that he talks about certain characters that existed in the script but do not exist in the novelizations due to drastic story changes.
So go ahead and start the hate and attempts to discredit me.
... Yep. Person has to be pulling our legs, if this is who we're supposed to believe on that IMDB page. It seems like a lot of what the guy says is made-up...
So go ahead and start the hate and attempts to discredit me.
... Yep. Person has to be pulling our legs, if this is who we're supposed to believe on that IMDB page. It seems like a lot of what the guy says is made-up...
Whoever this "PR" guy is he sure is making an effort to calm the rabid Maleficent fans down. Again we can ALL take this with many grains of salt untill there's a special early screening of the movie and someone reviews it.
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