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REINIER wrote:by the way since when is barney the dinosaur (although be it in green hornet costume) a sidekick in a disney movie?????? :lol:

Yeah, I'm asking the same question!!!

What kind of animal is that sidekick?
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I agree, the overshading ruins it for me too.

I think they should have tried to find replacement voices that sound like the original actors. I have a hard time believing Pat Caroll couldn't or wouldn't do it. She sounded fine in the DVD 2 years ago and obviously loves that character. I think the guy playing Triton on broadway could work as the animated Triton. He's more in the vein of the strong voice Kenneth Marrs had. And it's funny, if you've ever seen Kenneth Marrs you'd never think him as Triton. Sally Field is just the flavor of the month. That's the only reason I think she's in this and not Pat.

How do you know that this Del Ray lady isn't Ursula's mother? In the series it was revealed there was a race of squid people Triton once warred with.

The pirates are another flavor of the month. Ever since the first Pirates of the Caribbean film EVERYTHING is pirates. This bores me.

My question is what exactly IS Little Mermaid Cannon now ?With the broadway show is the kingdom Atlantica or Atlantis? Are Triton and Ursula still siblings? I liked the idea in the animated film but I think it's WAAAAY overplayed in the broadway version. It should be a footnote, not a trump all. I also find the stuff with Eric HAVING to be married by his next birthday to be boring and been there, done that, before.

I wonder if Urchin will be in this and if not why not? (Anyone wonder what happened to Urchin after the series since he vanishes? Did he get killed? Did he hook up with one of the sisters? Did he feel slighted when Ariel took up with a human instead of him? What? Where? Who? That's the REAL issue, not Ariel's mother.)

It's too bad some of the broadway songs couldn't have been tweaked into this show.
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I've seen the preview. I was far more intrigued with it than I thought I would be, and am now certainly looking forward to this movie. I love seeing Triton's entire family in their younger years, although Ariel and her mother simply look -too- much alike, in my opinion.
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REINIER wrote:by the way since when is barney the dinosaur (although be it in green hornet costume) a sidekick in a disney movie?????? :lol:
Took me awhile to figure out but that's a manatee.
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Super Aurora wrote:
REINIER wrote:by the way since when is barney the dinosaur (although be it in green hornet costume) a sidekick in a disney movie?????? :lol:
Took me awhile to figure out but that's a manatee.
It's obviously a green manatee. I'm surprised that confused anyone.
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I agree, Prudence. The mother and her daughter look exactly alike, which isn't something I'm too fond of.
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PeterPanfan wrote:I agree, Prudence. The mother and her daughter look exactly alike, which isn't something I'm too fond of.
It does explain why Ariel was her father's favorite, of course, but she and her mother could have still varied a little more in their looks.
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well that preview was...interesting.

First I'm going to let out all of my bad feelings towards the preview...and just what I've seen in the preview that's pretty much going to be in the final movie anyways. But I still have high hopes! (meaning I'll say what I do like about what we've seen so far)

The Bad: #1: I don't like Queen Athena's design...shes exactly like Ariels...c'mon there are the other daughters too...could have been a little more creative...UNLESS perhaps maybe why she looks so much like Ariel is because Ariel wants to look and dress just like the way her mother did. If not that...boo to the character designers...#2: Oh Kenneth Mars where art thou? #3: Why Pirates? Why? For some reason Pirates and the story of The Little Mermaid just don't fit together right...instead of Pirates they should have had just regular barbaric fish eater savage spinless incapable of any feeling humans...gosh. #4: I kinda don't like Marina Del Ray already...she just seems like your typical annoying disney sequelesque kinda villain...like shes just a villain who hates her job and thats her major motive in this flick. UNLESS she really is Ursula in disguise then I'll love her lol, but to me that doesn't seem likely since this movie seems to take place not too far from the original, and in the series, Ursula (oh yeah not to mention MUSIC) are consistantly in the tv show...unless this movie just forgets completely about the tv show...which already seems very possible. Anyways I guess I'll excuse Marina Del Ray for now since I haven't seen the whole movie yet...#5: After all that, this movie just seems like a barely decent Disney sequel...with that said, I don't think it will be better then Cinderella III, HOWEVER I think TLM:AB will most likely be better then The Little Mermaid II...that was just plot hole and loop hole galore and I still don't like Melody...I love Tara Strong...but I can't stand Melody, but like I said...I could be vastly surprised...we just have to wait and see.

The Good: #1: I just loved the first 5 seconds! Out of the entire preview, that scene with the fish music and castle was reminisent to the first movie...(besides the characters of course) #2: I can tell I'm going to like Ariel's sisters...Andrina's and Attina's voices are surprisingly somewhat similar to the original voices(more so then Triton anyways), plus I love Tara Strong...so thats a plus for them already. Also they seem to be unique to each other with different personalities since we didn't see to much of them in the original. So I'm very glad the sisters get a bigger role in this one. #3: Connecting to the first movie, at least now theres explanation as to why Triton hates humans so much and why Merfolks can't visit the above world AT ALL, since now its for sure, their mother dies by some bolo humans....
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something also really weird about marina, is the lack of a proper "trim" between her human body and her mertail. Do you guys see that? all the other merpeople have them.

i.e.
http://www.skthemes.com/users/6314/Little%20Mermaid.JPG
http://www.jigsawgallery.com/images/littlemermaid.jpg
http://www.choveu.net/imagens/filmes/vhs/99900944.jpg


I think its Ursula in disguise. Actually, i'm almost sure it is! I don't really know why im so sure..but, yah...

same hairstyle. Same Makeup. Same facial expressions. Same color scheme. Same bodice thing (instead of seashell bras). similar earings...
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I agree. I always considered Triton being the redhead was enough (which also drew a reason for why Triton and Ariel were always head to head, as compared to her sisters). Still, they might be doing the biologically correct thing--don't both parents have to be redheads to have a redhead (I'm not that good at this, so I might've misunderstood someone)?
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I'm positive Marina is Ursula.

She says sick' em boys! to her eel henchmen
The same line ursula used later on in TLM1


I'm still upset with the shake sanora song, it just doesn't do it for me.
Who swallowed a bug, the voice is wayyyy to high!!!!!

Triton's design is getting worse each movie, the beard hardly moves anymore.

As far as ariel goes, that's one fat child!

The thing I do like is the eel designs, altough hardly seeable they seem genuinely new characters and unlike ariel's mother
( copy-paste ariel and screw with facial design) I believe they have a story to tell!

Upon watching the sneak peek once more I noticed how well ariel looks in certain scenes and how off model she looks in other parts of the clip!

I do miss daring dash adventurer/explorer, loved that music number!
Didn't much care for the walrus design though!
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REINIER wrote: As far as ariel goes, that's one fat child!
She is not! She and her sisters are perfectly normal children! Each weighs less than Lilo, I can tell you that.
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Prudence wrote:
REINIER wrote: As far as ariel goes, that's one fat child!
She is not! She and her sisters are perfectly normal children! Each weighs less than Lilo, I can tell you that.
sorry didn't mean to offend anyone, I just think that the lack of a decent neck to support a head is always bugging me.

You are spot on considering lilo!
Love the Andreas Deja design, could do without the anatomy.

Triton was animated by him also I believe!
I find it strange that he chose to animate bambi once more in Bambi 2 and that he is fine with the character rape of his own beloved Trition, or Jafar for that matter.

Why was Bambi 2 any different.
Even the background art was better than any sequel/prequel.

I'ts good to see that the backgrounds for this movie are decent enough!
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The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning

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caioloki wrote:something also really weird about marina, is the lack of a proper "trim" between her human body and her mertail. Do you guys see that? all the other merpeople have them.
You can see in the sneak peek that Marina Del Ray wears costumes that seamlessly blend into her tail. She wears two different costumes and we see two different colored tails! This makes me think it is a dsiguise, or at least something she can change.

But in the orginal movie, some mermaids didn't have the trim. They had the bodice, like Ursula, so their fish part went all the way up to their chest. This was only found on over weight mermaids, like a one-piece bathing suit.

And to answer what you said earlier, the creatures Ursula and Marina control are eels. Ursula had Moray eels, Marina has Electric eels. But I'm hoping Flotsam and Jetsam are somehow involved with the Electric eels.
REINIER wrote:Why was Bambi 2 any different.
Even the background art was better than any sequel/prequel.

I'ts good to see that the backgrounds for this movie are decent enough!
Well, the sequels got better and better as they trained more and learned more and kept practicing, and they wanted to get better. Just the fact Andreas Deja agreed to help animate Bambi shows that they wanted it to be better than past sequels. I'm sure it's because Bambi is considered a big, more untouchable Disney classic, more than Cinderella, probably because Bambi came before it, it's older than Cinderella, and Cinderella got one crappy sequel. BUT in Cinderella 3 they actually made their best sequel, and Cinderella 3's backgrounds look just as good if not better than Bambi 2's! Or at least...from what I've seen. I have not watched all of Bambi 2.
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I really don't think Marina is Ursula in disguise. Sally Field is a well-known respected actress,a nd I doubt she'd be interested in being a replacement voice for Pat Carrol. My gut says that they used one of Ursula's early designs for the look, but that in-story she's not at all connected with her.

Plus, in the first movie Ursula couldn't disguise her voice uinless she had soemone else's to mask her own with.

As far as Jim Cummings (at least it sure sounds like him) as Triton goes, I'm guessing Ken Mars was unavailible for some reason, and Disney went with one of their go-to substitutes.
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Actually,UncleEd,there was NEVER a Little Mermaid canon,the series,the books,they're ignoring everything,so Ariel never met Urchin or Evil Manta,even the series ingore some episode,every Disney movie DOSN'T have a canon.
The manatee is cute :D.
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Marina could be Ursula in disguise (which could be why she as booted out of the kingdom) but I highly doubt it. If she does end up like that I would be more then happy. As far as the whole voice thing, she couldve gotten the voice from anyone.
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WickedElphie wrote:I really don't think Marina is Ursula in disguise. Sally Field is a well-known respected actress,a nd I doubt she'd be interested in being a replacement voice for Pat Carrol. My gut says that they used one of Ursula's early designs for the look, but that in-story she's not at all connected with her.

Plus, in the first movie Ursula couldn't disguise her voice uinless she had soemone else's to mask her own with.

As far as Jim Cummings (at lean many occasionst it sure sounds like him) as Triton goes, I'm guessing Ken Mars was unavailible for some reason, and Disney went with one of their go-to substitutes.
She woulden't be filling anybody's shoes because marina is a character all her own, who later on in the story will probably turn out to be ursula.

Again, she will be ursula later on, I say this because of the line:
''Sick'em boys!'' she says to her eel henchmen.
A greater clue coulden't be found.

It is most unlikely she is a relative to ursula since we've seen this already with morgana, now that would be cheap entertainment right?

As far as the design goes you are spot on! :D
I was in Disneyland Paris a while back and I took some photos of the concept imagery for ursula!
I'm terrible with the uploading of photo's unto this site as I have tried on many occasion or else I would show them to you.

Within those designs one can easily make out marina.

Concerning the voice thingie you are absolutely right, ursula would indeed need someone to mask her own.
However this only applies if disney were to follow the original TLM.
I'm afraid though, that as often before, they will not!

That makes it easy to reason that either she herself or Trition will transform her into ursula along with her new voice.

The replacement voice for Triton isn't at all bad, his design however is!
In one particular shot of the sneak peek
(you all know to what i am referring too!)he looks like a mythological norse god
(either Loki or Thor I'm not sure :lol: )
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Re: The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning

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Disney Duster wrote:
caioloki wrote:something also really weird about marina, is the lack of a proper "trim" between her human body and her mertail. Do you guys see that? all the other merpeople have them.
You can see in the sneak peek that Marina Del Ray wears costumes that seamlessly blend into her tail. She wears two different costumes and we see two different colored tails! This makes me think it is a dsiguise, or at least something she can change.

But in the orginal movie, some mermaids didn't have the trim. They had the bodice, like Ursula, so their fish part went all the way up to their chest. This was only found on over weight mermaids, like a one-piece bathing suit.

And to answer what you said earlier, the creatures Ursula and Marina control are eels. Ursula had Moray eels, Marina has Electric eels. But I'm hoping Flotsam and Jetsam are somehow involved with the Electric eels.
REINIER wrote:Why was Bambi 2 any different.
Even the background art was better than any sequel/prequel.

I'ts good to see that the backgrounds for this movie are decent enough!
Well, the sequels got better and better as they trained more and learned more and kept practicing, and they wanted to get better. Just the fact Andreas Deja agreed to help animate Bambi shows that they wanted it to be better than past sequels. I'm sure it's because Bambi is considered a big, more untouchable Disney classic, more than Cinderella, probably because Bambi came before it, it's older than Cinderella, and Cinderella got one crappy sequel. BUT in Cinderella 3 they actually made their best sequel, and Cinderella 3's backgrounds look just as good if not better than Bambi 2's! Or at least...from what I've seen. I have not watched all of Bambi 2.
As always thanks for clearing that up disney duster 8)

You can see in the sneak peek that Marina Del Ray wears costumes that seamlessly blend into her tail. She wears two different costumes and we see two different colored tails! This makes me think it is a dsiguise, or at least something she can change.

Again absolutely correct!

The pink outfit is one of the original ursula designs.

Am I the only one that thinks that Marina also resembles Yzma.
Or is it that the Yzma design (which I absolutely loved!!!) was based on Ursula (that would make some sense to me!).


The Intro of the sneak peek gives us some other insights as well.
Music led pirates to the merpeople who eventually kill Athena on land, SO never return on land!

The question remains why these ''mer-fish'' were on land in the first place!
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I'm feeling kinda "meh" about the movie, as usual I"m on the fence about it.

Tritons voice is rather odd, but I also find his design just looks off compared to the rest, whenever I see him he just looks so out of place to me. First though was of the way he looked in the KH games design wise.

Marina could be Ursula, I mean Ursula did say "look at me I'm wasted away to nothing" or something similar to that in the first movie. Perhaps she was banished and eventually gained weight and somehow squid appendages.....:lol: That's also why it might not be her, since she's got the whole squid body going on, and in LM 3 she's more merfolk-ish. Unless the merfolk look is just a great big disguise.

I like seeing the sisters get a larger role.

Feels like there's something off about Flounder, can't put my finger on it though.

I still don't care for the entire Senora part, the song doesn't sound too good to me, Ariel looks off a lot to me. Although that one fish reminds me of Cleo or the Arab Dance fish from Fantasia :P

I think the swordfish guards are a way of showing not everything is right with the castle, perhaps Marina has more influence than we think? I had a good comparison in mind but I lost it..............

The whole Mermaids used to be on the shore but are now under water hiding plot reminds me of Gummi Bears, how the humans drove them into hiding and they had to sever ties because of the "barbaric" humans, and lost any trust with them etc.

That's all I can think of for now :)
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