Fantasia/F2K: 2-Movie Collection Discussion: Nov. 30, 2010

[SWillie!]

Nothing can be the "definitive Fantasia art" without Chernabog. It doesn't make sense that he's not up on top.

[Tristy]

Well, Ok. It's a bummer that he's not on there. But it's still a neat pic.

[SWillie!]

Well, Ok. It's a bummer that he's not on there. But it's still a neat pic.

Agreed.

[Sky Syndrome]

If the Sprite didn't have a face, Donald would appear to be balancing a head of lettuce.

[Jules]

I think you guys are all going crazy over nothing. I'm sure that within the next year we will be able to download all of the features we were promised, including Fantasia World, through BD Live. You don't like that, sorry, but it's the future of bonus features as we know them.

In Europe we do not even have Disney BD-Live. How will that work?

[KubrickFan]

I think you guys are all going crazy over nothing. I'm sure that within the next year we will be able to download all of the features we were promised, including Fantasia World, through BD Live. You don't like that, sorry, but it's the future of bonus features as we know them.

I'm not so sure about that. They were talking about the old Anthology extras only when they said that. Second, do you think that Disney will have these extras on their servers forever? There will be a time when somebody buys this release, and won't be able to download them, because they've been removed. And like Julian said, in Europe there's no BD-Live, so we won't get those extras, if they're even going to be available through BD-Live, that is.
This has been pretty disappointing. From learning that the old bonus features weren't going to be on the disc, and the complete lack of features now (on both versions) to the fact that it's apparently just one case for two movies. These aren't budget titles, right?

[yamiiguy]

Sure, there are TVs out now capable of 3840x2160 resolution. But I don't see them becoming standard for a while yet, and Blu-Ray isn't exactly restricted by space. New BDXL discs (none released yet) are capable of 100GB and 128GB. Some players can already support them, yet some players will be obsolete.

strange. I've never even heard that the PROTOTYPES were made, let alone an actual release of such sets.

http://gizmodo.com/5375522/want-a-4k-tv ... name-on-it

In Europe we do not even have Disney BD-Live. How will that work?

By Disney enabling BD-Live for us

[Wonderlicious]

Meh, this is a bit of a bummer. To be fair, as Netty pointed out, they could simply just not have listed a whole load of bonus features, just like they normally tend to do. But still, so far, it looks really bleak, aside from the new restoration (in any case, I wonder if we'll get some hoo-hah about it from certain people; if not, it'll say a lot about their fandom). There doesn't seem to be any documentary on either film at all, and the fact that we'll probably have to download the old one is also a bit of a hassle (plus, BD-Live isn't even running yet in Britain/Europe ).

I think that a rehash of the Anthology would have been the best way to go: have lighter "special editions" of Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 (with general documentary, commentaries and one or two other tidbits), and then a collector's pack featuring a bonus disc, which is where "Fantasia World" (aka the random shorts) could be placed, along with some of the original Anthology features and the [/i]Musicana stuff[/i] (as Kelvin pointed out, downloading bonus features isn't all that fun sounding).

But really, they've screwed up what should have been one of the better outings on Blu-Ray for Disney. If they can give Beauty and the Beast such (potentially) wonderful features (at least for Blu-Ray), why not Fantasia? It was supposed to be a Diamond Edition after all. And since they could make at least a bit of an effort for Dumbo (already released in Europe and elsewhere, with new documentaries and whatnot), then why not Fantasia? I just pray that Alice in Wonderland and Aladdin get treated well enough after this fiasco.

NB: In case that last paragraph suggested otherwise, I shall add that I do like Beauty and the Beast and Dumbo and am glad that they are getting treated reasonably well.

[tlc38tlc38]

I'm not complaining about this release because if I did that would make me a hypocrite from the statement above that I made. All I have to say is that it kind of worries me when it's time for The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under to be released on Blu, will it also receive a 2-movie collection? Let's start hoping not.

[yamiiguy]

@miniroll32

Can you e-mail Disney and ask if BD-Live will be available in the UK?

[2099net]

I think you guys are all going crazy over nothing. I'm sure that within the next year we will be able to download all of the features we were promised, including Fantasia World, through BD Live. You don't like that, sorry, but it's the future of bonus features as we know them.

I'm not so sure about that. They were talking about the old Anthology extras only when they said that. Second, do you think that Disney will have these extras on their servers forever? There will be a time when somebody buys this release, and won't be able to download them, because they've been removed. And like Julian said, in Europe there's no BD-Live, so we won't get those extras, if they're even going to be available through BD-Live, that is.
This has been pretty disappointing. From learning that the old bonus features weren't going to be on the disc, and the complete lack of features now (on both versions) to the fact that it's apparently just one case for two movies. These aren't budget titles, right?

Sigh. As I pointed out before, it appears Disney often DOESN'T list classic DVD bonus features on their Press Releases for new Blu-ray releases - instead they prefer to give the spotlight to the New feartures - such as on...

This Press Release for the recent Toy Story 1 & 2 releases
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/t ... -2-blu-ray

and if they do, they don't list the full set - such as on...

This Press Release for Monsters, Inc on Blu-ray.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/t ... nc-blu-ray

I really think things here are being blown all out of proportion. Yes, I know its been stated that content from the Anthology set will be released via BD-Live - but that doesn't mean the entirety of the content will be. Look at it this way - apart from Buena Vista's first few waves of Blu-ray releases (BD-25s with Mpeg-2 compression PCM soundtracks hogging the limited disc space) how many Blu-rays of previous DVD releases have they released - including Miramax, Touchstone and other other output - without some of the "classic DVD" features on the disc?

Lost, Gangs of New York (Remastered), Chasing Amy, Clerks, Dumbo, Snow White, Pirates of the Caribbean(s), Cars, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Sin City, National Treasure(s)... I could go on... all have some of all of the "classic DVD" bonus features included on the disc.

Does anyone here really think none of the Anthology supplements will be on the Blu-ray discs?

[The_Iceflash]

I'm not complaining about this release because if I did that would make me a hypocrite from the statement above that I made. All I have to say is that it kind of worries me when it's time for The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under to be released on Blu, will it also receive a 2-movie collection? Let's start hoping not.

I'd rather them get a two pack on BD rather then not get them at all. For example, if they do this for The Three Caballeros/Saludos Amigos and/or Make Mine Music/Fun and Fancy Free and/or Melody Time/The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad I wouldn't be upset one bit.

[yamiiguy]

I really hope that they put The Little Matchstick Girl and One by One in HD on this. I doubt we'll see them on The Little Mermaid or Lion King 2 releases again.

[Rudy Matt]

I'd rather them get a two pack on BD rather then not get them at all. For example, if they do this for The Three Caballeros/Saludos Amigos and/or Make Mine Music/Fun and Fancy Free and/or Melody Time/The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad I wouldn't be upset one bit.

That should be Saludos Amigos/The Three Caballeros, Fun and Fancy Free/Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad, and Make Mine Music/Melody Time. Toss in Song of the South/So Dear To My Heart if you want.

[yamiiguy]

I imagine that the package features will be bundled together. Maybe The Rescuers/The Rescuers Down Under too but I don't see anything else being bundled.

[KubrickFan]

Sigh. As I pointed out before, it appears Disney often DOESN'T list classic DVD bonus features on their Press Releases for new Blu-ray releases - instead they prefer to give the spotlight to the New feartures - such as on...

This Press Release for the recent Toy Story 1 & 2 releases
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/t ... -2-blu-ray

and if they do, they don't list the full set - such as on...

This Press Release for Monsters, Inc on Blu-ray.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/t ... nc-blu-ray

I really think things here are being blown all out of proportion. Yes, I know its been stated that content from the Anthology set will be released via BD-Live - but that doesn't mean the entirety of the content will be. Look at it this way - apart from Buena Vista's first few waves of Blu-ray releases (BD-25s with Mpeg-2 compression PCM soundtracks hogging the limited disc space) how many Blu-rays of previous DVD releases have they released - including Miramax, Touchstone and other other output - without some of the "classic DVD" features on the disc?

Lost, Gangs of New York (Remastered), Chasing Amy, Clerks, Dumbo, Snow White, Pirates of the Caribbean(s), Cars, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Sin City, National Treasure(s)... I could go on... all have some of all of the "classic DVD" bonus features included on the disc.

Does anyone here really think none of the Anthology supplements will be on the Blu-ray discs?

First of all, the only mention of the older features has been that they will be available through BD-Live, so you have to either hold on to the old discs, or download them.
And second, we're talking Classics here. Most of them that have been on Blu have been missing features, compared to either the DVDs, or the Laserdiscs. Since all of those are in SD, it wouldn't be too much trouble to port them over, but instead Disney wants to 'wow' us with new shorter featurettes that are in HD. If you already have great documentaries, you could save the effort for producing new ones, and instead focus on those titles that don't have great special features. But that's just me.

[DisneyJedi]

I really hope that they put The Little Matchstick Girl and One by One in HD on this. I doubt we'll see them on The Little Mermaid or Lion King 2 releases again.

I'm hoping the same for Lorenzo. I wanna see that in full so damn badly!

Oh, and I hope we're still getting Fantasia uncut.

[2099net]

First of all, the only mention of the older features has been that they will be available through BD-Live, so you have to either hold on to the old discs, or download them.

IIRC the wording was along the lines of "the DVD features we don't have room for on the Blu-ray disc will be able to be accessed via BD-Live". It doesn't mean all of the DVD features will be BD-Live only. The only reason its mentioned in the Fantasia press release is - probably - because its BD-Live is a Blu-Ray exclusive feature.

The Toy Stories Press Release didn't mention older DVD features at all - but we still got [almost] all of them.

And second, we're talking Classics here. Most of them that have been on Blu have been missing features, compared to either the DVDs, or the Laserdiscs. Since all of those are in SD, it wouldn't be too much trouble to port them over,

Yes, most of them have been missing features. But not all of the DVD features are missing. Like I say, beyond the initial releases (with the silver "swoosh" on the packaging) I personally cannot think of a single Blu-Ray re-release of a DVD which didn't have any DVD features carried across. Even some of the "Swoosh" discs did - Pirates of the Carribean for example had all the 2 disc features as well as the "Lost Disc" features carried across. I really don't think Disney won't port across the majority of the Anthology supplements - regardless of what the Press Release says. To do so goes against their whole Blu-Ray release strategy to date.

There's no doubt that Fantasia is a long film which will affect the space for supplements on that disc's Blu-ray. But I see no reason why the making-of cannot be carried over, as well several other of the Anthology supplements - especially if they re-encode them in SD with the more efficient AVC rather than simply porting the MPEG-2 encoding across (like Warners do with their SD Blu-ray supplements to save space).

I'd rather wait and find out exactly is going to be included on the discs than rant and rave and hurl insults at Disney in ignorance.

As it is - unlike say Snow White - we've already been told the supplements that they can't include on the disc will be available via BDLive. Sure, an second BD for each release would be the optimum solution, but it seems Disney are listening to their customers to a certain extent.

Now, if only they'd get BD-Live sorted for non-US customers before the end of the year...

but instead Disney wants to 'wow' us with new shorter featurettes that are in HD. If you already have great documentaries, you could save the effort for producing new ones, and instead focus on those titles that don't have great special features. But that's just me.

I rather suspect its Disney PR wanting to "Wow" us, not so much the discs producers. Thus the emphasis on the new in the Press Release - Press Releases from BVHE with inappropriately prioritised content isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Normally Disney Channel "singers" and Set-Top games get listed before any serious Making of content. The fact is, Disney PR doesn't care about that sort of stuff, and can easily justify to themselves relegating or omitting such content from their press releases.

[zackisthewalrus]

I couldn't help but noticing on the Amazon page for the Blu-ray that it has a PG rating. Did Disney send Fantasia to the MPAA recently? I could see them giving it a PG now.

[ajmrowland]

I just pray that Alice in Wonderland and Aladdin get treated well enough after this fiasco.

So, how much are you willing to bet? $50 says Alice will be basically the blu version of the Unanniversary DVD without any added features, but maybe the new master.