Pixar's Brave (formerly The Bear and the Bow)

Polizzi · Post by **Polizzi** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:35 pm

I don't think so either.

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:35 pm

yeah, I don't see it either. That's just people digging for reasons to pick at this film.

Tristy · Post by **Tristy** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:06 am

Yeah. Like: "Oh hey! The characters have Scottish accents and live in medieval times! Let's just compare it to How to Train Your Dragon for whatever reason we're not sure!"

DancingCrab · Post by **DancingCrab** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:15 pm

Sotiris wrote:I found the song that plays in the TV spot. I knew it wasn't an original song. It's called "Tha Mo Ghaol Air Aird A' Chuain" and it's by Julie Fowlis.

Here it is in its entirety:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/x6Xa1sh5qeo" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Thank you. I thought I'd heard the song before but couldn't place it. I adore Julie Fowlis and wouldn't mind them using this or anything else by her in the finished movie.

thedisneyspirit · Post by **thedisneyspirit** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:29 pm

I don't really understand why would people go on quickly to compare Brave to How To Train Your Dragon...Even as to go to claim it as a rip-off...Isn't it too early to call a film that?

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:41 pm

thedisneyspirit wrote:I don't really understand why would people go on quickly to compare Brave to How To Train Your Dragon...Even as to go to claim it as a rip-off...Isn't it too early to call a film that?

I know! I find that very idiotic of people.

Let's look at the facts:
- Dragons is a story about prejudice, using a boy's love towards his pet dragon to show an ancient society to embrace a new belief. Brave is a mother/daughter story about how a princess and a queen are able to relate to each other through a series of events involving a bear.

- Dragons deals with Norwegian Vikings (if I am not mistaken) on a fictional island INSPIRED by Scotland, Ireland and other European countries. Brave takes place in Scotland and strictly Scotland.

- Dragons' main protagonist is a young boy who can't live up to the standards set by his father. Brave's main protagonist is a young princess that is forced by her mother to live by the rules of the culture she was brought up on.

Regarding similarities...
- Both stories deal with parental issues
- Both stories deal with challenging culture for personal growth
- Both have Craig Ferguson doing a voice
- And the father figure is quite large...

The similarities, though, are universal story tropes, especially those of children's animated film. But the two stories couldn't be different in terms of themes, characters and plot. It would be like comparing apples to bananas: yeah they are both fruit but are different at the end of the day.

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:18 pm

I think the father is where the comparisons come from. They are so very similar. I know there's only so much you can do with "big, husky, red-haired, man" in this kind of world, but they really are strikingly similar for two movies that will be released within two years of one another.

Elladorine · Post by **Elladorine** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:19 pm

I smell crossover fanfics.

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:52 pm

enigmawing wrote:I smell crossover fanfics.

By Jackoleen? Yes, please!

So long as it's not obscene. And it probably won't be.

jazzflower92 · Post by **jazzflower92** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:01 pm

SWillie! wrote:I think the father is where the comparisons come from. They are so very similar. I know there's only so much you can do with "big, husky, red-haired, man" in this kind of world, but they really are strikingly similar for two movies that will be released within two years of one another.

Even the father figures are different.King Fergus is very much a supportive parent of Merida.In fact Queen Elinor is more like Hiccup's father than King Fergus is.

thedisneyspirit · Post by **thedisneyspirit** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:07 pm

As long as these "comparisions" don't turn into a hate-based group consisted of Brave opposers with their conspiracy theory that it's copying every other fantasy film...Because groups like that exist for popular Disney films.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:20 pm

thedisneyspirit wrote:As long as these "comparisions" don't turn into a hate-based group consisted of Brave opposers with their conspiracy theory that it's copying every other fantasy film.

So far, I've heard people calling Brave a rip-off of How to Train Your Dragon, Mulan, Robin Hood, and Braveheart. I wonder what's next!

Elladorine · Post by **Elladorine** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:27 pm

Sotiris wrote:So far, I've heard people calling Brave a rip-off of How to Train Your Dragon, Mulan, Robin Hood, and Braveheart. I wonder what's next!

You forgot Brother Bear.

DancingCrab · Post by **DancingCrab** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:27 pm

Oh, I've already had a co-worker tell me it looks like a rip-off of The Hunger Games ...even though that film hasn't come out yet

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:31 pm

jazzflower92 wrote:
SWillie! wrote:I think the father is where the comparisons come from. They are so very similar. I know there's only so much you can do with "big, husky, red-haired, man" in this kind of world, but they really are strikingly similar for two movies that will be released within two years of one another.
Even the father figures are different.King Fergus is very much a supportive parent of Merida.In fact Queen Elinor is more like Hiccup's father than King Fergus is.

And even then the motivations are different. Stoic the Vast is disappointed in Hiccup because he knows that he can't never be exactly like his father and thus it breaks his heart because he loves him dearly. In Brave, the Queens wants Merida to behave like a princess because of culture and honor, which just widens the separation they have with each other.

In a way, Brave could be similar to Dragons in that the parent eventually learns to accept the offspring for what they are rather than for what they should be and that it shouldn't be an obstacle for them to get closer to their children. The difference is that Hiccup actually WANTED to be like the vikings but he wasn't strong enough for it, whereas Merida wants to escape her world, thus becoming far more rebellious and angry towards her mother.

So again, the similarities lies in how the tropes are similar but the execution are completely different.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:26 pm

enigmawing wrote:You forgot Brother Bear.

You're right! And as DancingCrab said, I too have heard people comparing it to The Hunger Games.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:34 pm

Expert analysis of the archery in the 'Brave' clip.

Tristy · Post by **Tristy** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:36 pm

Regarding the designs in both HTTYD and this, there is something i've noticed though. They are different from each other in style (or at least to me) but in both cases, that both of them sort of resemble the Asterix comics. In fact I would say both Stoic and Fergus kind of look like the gaul chief in those comics.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:07 pm

Did anyone else notice that the original trailer and the new tv spot have distinctly different colors? The tv ad is much warmer, much more tungsten whereas the trailer embraced the grays of Scotland. I wonder which is true to the film? I think Scotland looks more deep in the tv ad but the scene where Merida is telling the story to her brothers looks more flat than it did in the trailer.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:53 pm

The colors in the trailer look better than those in the TV spot.

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