Snow White Re-release Platinum Discussion & Cover Art Th

Deco King · Post by **Deco King** » Sat May 16, 2009 4:11 pm

I think that as several forum readers/posters have opined , that the cover is probably lenticular/3D and as you tilt it , the old Witch/Peddler Woman will turn into Snow White !! Roll on October 6th 2009!!

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:25 pm

So, if the peddler woman and Snow White images change into one another I will LOVE this cover. I'm also very excited to hear that the Blu-Ray may me called a Diamond Edition. It'd be awesome if all the titles on blu that have already been platinum were called Diamond. It'd not only begin a new collection but maybe even set a new standard since the PE's have kinda been falling short lately.

universALLove · Post by **universALLove** » Sat May 16, 2009 8:48 pm

For me, the problem is that the cover is just way too busy, less really can be more!

I'm slightly baffled by the layout too. I mean, Snow White is the main character and thus, she should be the main focal point of the cover but at the moment, it's being taken by the old Hag/Witch.

I also don't think it's completely necessary for so many characters to be on the cover; it's only making it look more overcrowded than it needs to be. It just needs a good de-clutter and then it wouldn't look halfway near as bad!

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Sun May 17, 2009 12:41 am

Nick Bryant wrote:For me, the problem is that the cover is just way too busy, less really can be more!

Charmin Ultra!

singerguy wrote:It'd be awesome if all the titles on blu that have already been platinum were called Diamond.

It would put a very fresh spin on things, though I like the word "platinum" more.

And I, too hope new standards are created. That would help things.

Deco King · Post by **Deco King** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:58 am

Although I've gone on and on about the cover art ( which is now getting better ) , at the core of this Diamond Edition , is the remastering of the raw materials , and I'm sure that Disney WILL have done a brand new transfer as in eight years many strides forward in technology will mean the cleanest transfer ever !!

I think Disney have come up with Diamond Edition as a title which applies only to Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs , because (A) It was Walt Disney's ( and cinema history's FIRST animated feature length animated motion picture with both Colour and Sound . Before this Lotte Reiniger had produced a Silent feature length Black and White animation The Adventures of Aladdin . This is worth a look as it's available on DVD from the BFI ( British Film Institute ) for students of animation . and (B ) because of course it had the
Seven Dwarfs' Diamond Mine as a major scene in the movie.

WillytheDino · Post by **WillytheDino** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:51 am

May I ask why you put some of your words in colours, or fat?
It's annoying.

Deco King · Post by **Deco King** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:53 am

Sorry if it annoys you I do it for emphasis!!

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Sun May 17, 2009 5:03 am

I don't really like the word diamond. And since we already had the black diamond line, diamond by itself sounds like step down.

Deco king, do you think "diamond edition" for Snow White is "Big Wave Edition" to Lilo & Stitch? I kinda hope not as that it really cheapens the whole idea. I don't want to see a "Pillow Case edition" or "Extended Wood Edition" any time soon.

The_Iceflash · Post by **The_Iceflash** » Sun May 17, 2009 6:41 am

I have a question. Is the DVD re-release supposed to be a new transfer as well or just a re-release of the 2001 Platinum? (Not that the transfer on that is bad. For anything it's been given praise.) I don't have the 2001 DVD anyway so at worst I'd be getting what I'd miss out on in 2001.

I'm still not going for/to Blu-Ray and was curious of the state of the new DVD .

@yukitora: If I had to choose between Disney starting a "Diamond" Line or have them make it a "Diamond Edition" along the lines of the "Big Wave "Edition" for Lilo and Stitch like you said I'd choose the latter. I think it gives a little more prestige by giving it that subtitle and like Deco King said, it makes reference to the film. I don't like the former scenario because like you said, we already had a "Black Diamond" line.

nomad2010 · Post by **nomad2010** » Sun May 17, 2009 11:37 am

The_Iceflash wrote:I have a question. Is the DVD re-release supposed to be a new transfer as well or just a re-release of the 2001 Platinum? (Not that the transfer on that is bad. For anything it's been given praise.) I don't have the 2001 DVD anyway so at worst I'd be getting what I'd miss out on in 2001.

I'm still not going for/to Blu-Ray and was curious of the state of the new DVD .

@yukitora: If I had to choose between Disney starting a "Diamond" Line or have them make it a "Diamond Edition" along the lines of the "Big Wave "Edition" for Lilo and Stitch like you said I'd choose the latter. I think it gives a little more prestige by giving it that subtitle and like Deco King said, it makes reference to the film. I don't like the former scenario because like you said, we already had a "Black Diamond" line.

yeah it does kind of represent that it's the crown jewel of disney. i think that they should have just ended the previous platinum line with 101 dalmatians and start this diamond edition thing with Sleeping bueaty because i don't want 2 platinum blu-rays and then it suddenly switch to diamond edition.. you know?

Atlantica · Post by **Atlantica** » Sun May 17, 2009 12:12 pm

Is it just me, or does Disney seem to be in a bit of muddle over this release ? What with the changing covers, what feels like hundreds of different versions of the blu ray and dvd to buy, and a possible collection title change, it just doesnt feel right.

Are Disney rushing out this release ? But from what I can recall, they have been vouching for this Fall release for 'Snow' for quite some time.

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Sun May 17, 2009 12:30 pm

The_Iceflash wrote:I have a question. Is the DVD re-release supposed to be a new transfer as well or just a re-release of the 2001 Platinum? (Not that the transfer on that is bad. For anything it's been given praise.) I don't have the 2001 DVD anyway so at worst I'd be getting what I'd miss out on in 2001.

I'm still not going for/to Blu-Ray and was curious of the state of the new DVD .

I don't know if the previous restoration was in HD, then it could be the same. However, there have been a lot of technological improvements since then, so it probably is a new restoration. The DVD is of course a downgraded version of the HD master, so it will be the same master as the Blu-Ray.

Atlantica · Post by **Atlantica** » Sun May 17, 2009 12:41 pm

I've often heard that people have said the 2001 Snow restoration was near perfect, as far as restoration goes. How will they improve on this ? I understand that the technical side of things has moved on, but enough to redo an entire restoration ?

WillytheDino · Post by **WillytheDino** » Sun May 17, 2009 12:51 pm

Deco King wrote:I think that as several forum readers/posters have opined , that the cover is probably lenticular/3D and as you tilt it , the old Witch/Peddler Woman will turn into Snow White !! Roll on October 6th 2009!!

If that should be the case, why is it that Snow White is at the bottom? Then there would be 2 Snow Whites.
And it's not logic that the witch would change in Snow White. Why would they do that?

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:14 pm

atlanticaunderthesea wrote:I've often heard that people have said the 2001 Snow restoration was near perfect, as far as restoration goes. How will they improve on this ? I understand that the technical side of things has moved on, but enough to redo an entire restoration ?

Oh, it happens. It may be perfect for that time, but we've come a long way since then. For example, Warner Bros. is redoing the restorations done for Gone With The Wind, The Wizard of Oz, Ben-Hur and Singin' in the Rain just because technology has advanced so much since they were put out. And it has only been a couple of years for some of them.

Atlantica · Post by **Atlantica** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:30 pm

KubrickFan wrote:
atlanticaunderthesea wrote:I've often heard that people have said the 2001 Snow restoration was near perfect, as far as restoration goes. How will they improve on this ? I understand that the technical side of things has moved on, but enough to redo an entire restoration ?
Oh, it happens. It may be perfect for that time, but we've come a long way since then. For example, Warner Bros. is redoing the restorations done for Gone With The Wind, The Wizard of Oz, Ben-Hur and Singin' in the Rain just because technology has advanced so much since they were put out. And it has only been a couple of years for some of them.

Thank you for answering

I'm not very tech - savy, so I dont really understand the restoring side of things. I go on the colour palatte, and how much it changes in each different release. I suppose things are always improving; but will they keep restoring things FOREVER ? Things will always improve, so will they keep having to restore and resore ?

Also, I have a question for people who have the 2001 DVD (I don't); did Disney 'tinker' with any of the film as they have with other Platinum DVD releases ? Like edit backgrounds like in BATB, or effects in TLM ?

Disneykid · Post by **Disneykid** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:40 pm

The Snow White restoration from 2001 didn't correct any errors that were in the film. I did hear from someone, though, that the fade-to-black transitions in that version all are about a second too fast, but I have no idea how accurate that is.

Also, as far I know, it wasn't HD. The reason I think this is because the Snow White clips on my Enchanted, Sleeping Beauty, and Pinocchio BDs look no different than my DVD, whereas clips from, say, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland look stunningly more refined. So I'm expecting the new 2009 restoration to be very similar color-wise, just sharper and tighter.

WillytheDino wrote:If that should be the case, why is it that Snow White is at the bottom? Then there would be 2 Snow Whites.
And it's not logic that the witch would change in Snow White. Why would they do that?

There wouldn't be two Snow Whites. Our prediction is that the slipcover will change from Snow White in the middle and the peddlar woman on the bottom to the peddlar woman in the middle and Snow White on the bottom. This effect actually does make sense. Remember that it's the magic mirror we're seeing in the middle. The Queen is so determined to be the fairest one of all that you can say she sort of sabotages the cover to be the main focus, only the mirror is showing her true self (personality-wise).

As for the revised cover, I have mixed feelings on it. The Dwarfs, the Queen, and the apple look infinitely better. However, I think the Prince, his horse, and the old peddlar woman looked more on-model in the previous version. Snow White herself goes both ways. Her face and hair are a bit more accurate, but they lightened up her costume colors to match stock clipart of her found in merchandise. Overall, though, I'll say the cover's an improvement.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:18 pm

Eventually, restoration technology will peak. All major rereleases will be restored by that technique. From there on in, it'd just be a matter of upscaling to higher resolutions(at least decompressing) for new formats.

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:24 pm

atlanticaunderthesea wrote: Thank you for answering I'm not very tech - savy, so I dont really understand the restoring side of things. I go on the colour palatte, and how much it changes in each different release. I suppose things are always improving; but will they keep restoring things FOREVER ? Things will always improve, so will they keep having to restore and resore ?

Also, I have a question for people who have the 2001 DVD (I don't); did Disney 'tinker' with any of the film as they have with other Platinum DVD releases ? Like edit backgrounds like in BATB, or effects in TLM ?

I think titles will be restored over and over again. Seems strange, given that the word 'restoring' would imply that it would be put in its original state. Of course many factors have a role in this. State of the film, resolution the restoration was done in, if the restored film was actually put on film, etc. So it's hard to give a definitive answer. But seeing that a lot of films that were remastered for Laserdisc were redone again for dvd, I would think they would also do that for Blu-Ray.

Disney didn't really tinker with it, except for the color palette, which was the wrong one, according to (I believe) Frank Thomas. Don't know if he was right.

Disneykid · Post by **Disneykid** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:50 pm

KubrickFan wrote:Disney didn't really tinker with it, except for the color palette, which was the wrong one, according to (I believe) Frank Thomas. Don't know if he was right.

Actually, I think he said that back in 1994 when asked about the VHS/LD restoration, which was definitely too brown in its color timing.

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