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Someday... wrote:But again, why are we expecting a voice actor to be so clued up on his animation history?
I know, it was just a gaffe. Some of the voice actors Disney hired before were mostly Broadway actors who worked outside Disney until they were brought in. I can talk about the animation of a Disney movie, but I wouldn't go into all the nitty gritty details and complex stuff. I'm not even an artist.

And Super Aurora, this place isn't called UltimateDisney.com / DVDizzy.com for nothing. With a name like that, there has to be those types around here. :P
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Someday... wrote:But again, why are we expecting a voice actor to be so clued up on his animation history?
probably because Zachary talked about Lasseter and sort of wanted to come across as if he knew what he was talking about. He reads blogs and was apparently aware of peoples reactions to Rapunzels story changes.

And he's not just some voice actor. He's an actor. All actors should know their basic film history.
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Someday... wrote:But again, why are we expecting a voice actor to be so clued up on his animation history?
I think most people would know that Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs came out twenty years earlier than the decades the guy mentioned. Of course it's nothing new that an actor doesn't know what he's talking about, just read some interviews of actors who are in comic book adaptations. But it's still funny to mention, though.
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I sent a twitter reply to twitter account WaltDisneyAnim about when they thought the Rapunzel trailer would be coming out, and got this reply:

Good things come... ;) It will be a little while.

So I guess we can rule out a Rapunzel trailer for the next couple of months. I hope we'll get some new artwork or character designs soon though. They need to give us SOMETHING! They started their campaign for TPATF more then a year before te release of the movie...
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I guess we can expect to see the first trailer prior to Alice in Wonderland.
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But...that's so long..!
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After The Princess and the Frog, that's the next Disney film being released (unless they push something back).

Then again, we could see the first trailer in January with When in Rome (which is a Touchstone release).
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I can't wait!
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There's one bit in the Levi quote that troubles me:
robster16 wrote:In the ’50s and ’60s, when animation was still a new thing, people would just be amazed by the animation, so you could tell it in a more classic, slower way. But, we live in the YouTube generation, so if you don’t keep it interesting and moving, than you’re going to lose the audience anyway.
I understand that having filler-ish moments isn't good for the pacing of a story. However, the quote also gives me the idea that people nowadays can't stand a "slow-moving" story and instead require flashy and frenetic stuff so that they don't get bored.

One thing that kind of bugs me with many of today's movies (and quite a few series, too) is how fast the pace of the narrative tends to be. I enjoy when a movie or a series actually doesn't rush things out story-wise but spends some time on a scene, slowly building up the mood and characters. For example some of the vista shots in The Lord of the Rings films (e.g. the Lighting of the Beacons sequence in Return of the King) are beautiful because they give proper time for a scene and the music that accompanies it instead of taking away its majesty in MTV-like quick cuts.

I don't think quick cutting and a fast pace is necessarily a bad thing. However, when it's overused, it becomes a hindrance to the story because there isn't time to catch one's breath (figuratively speaking) and thus the emotional response won't be as strong as it could be with better pacing (as in, not rushing through stuff with the speed of light).

Some of Disney's movies have fallen victim to this as well, but I hope that Disney (as well as other studios) will give the story the time they need so that the pacing serves the story and not vice versa. I have high hopes for Rapunzel, but I hope it won't be a cut-fest and that it gives its scenes, music and characters time to enter the audience's hearts without force-feeding them.
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You know, maybe this whole delay of Rapunzel trailers is building even more excitement and anticipation for the film among fans. See? We can't stop talking about when we'll see the trailer, and we're already buzzing! Do you think that they could just be trying to gauge reactions and allow word of this film to spread gradually through word of mouth?
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the reason there's no trailer is because the movie isn't on the same schedule as TPATF. At this point Rapunzel is a race against time. they'll get it done on time. But I don't think they have anything interesting to show us right now.

An image in the annual report is the next official thing we can expect I think.
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Oh. OK, good point. That too.... :P
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Rapunzel Casting news:

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) – Tony-winning actress Donna Murphy is joining Mandy Moore and Zachary Levi in "Rapunzel," Disney's animated movie version of the fairy tale.

Byron Howard and Nathan Greno ("Bolt") are directing the musical comedy, which reimagines the tale of the girl with the magic golden tresses.

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The story centers on Rapunzel (voiced by Moore), who is kidnapped from her parents' castle as a child and locked in a hidden tower before escaping with the help of a bandit (Levi).

Murphy, working in animation for the first time, will voice Mother Gothel, the witch who keeps Rapunzel prisoner in a tower that has no doors or stairs.


Alan Menken is working on the music for the movie, which will be presented in 3D and released next year during the holiday season.

Murphy won Tonys as best actress in a musical for "Passion" and "The King and I," with other credits including "Wonderful Town" and "Lovemusik." Her screen appearances include "Spider-Man 2," "Star Trek: Insurrection" and "The Nanny Diaries," and she recently had a role opposite Eric McCormack in the TNT series "Trust Me."


source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091210/film_nm/us_murphy

Here's a youtube clip of Donna Murphy doing a piece of Stephen Sondheim's musical "Passion", which is also very fitting lyrics wise to Rapunzel funnily enough. After watching this I'm REAAAALLY excited about her being cast in the role of Mother Gothel:

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excellent casting. Wonderful voice. Especially for the villain. Though I don't know any details, I got the idea that Mother Gothel is going to be a more complex villain, like Frollo. The big ballad in the film is sung by three different characters, supposedly Mother Gothel makes the song sound possessive and creepy, while Rapunzel makes it sound uplifting. I'm getting the vibe that Mother Gothel could have a more clear motive than just raising hell.

If the villain had been all out evil and campy they would have gone for something more over the top. But this is a classic Broadway voice. A very interesting pick. Of course I could be wrong. But a complex villain would be the perfect element to counter the comedy aspects of the film.

Thanks for sharing.
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Thank god Disney is casting broadway actors again!
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Poody wrote:Thank god Disney is casting broadway actors again!
Yeah, too bad it's alongside Mandy Moore. *shudder*

At this point, the only thing I'm looking forward to is Menken and Mother Gothel. Unless it looks amazing, I don't think I'll bother seeing it in theaters, just buy the soundtrack and see the movie on pay per view.
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I thought I'd come in and voice my dissapointment in Disney re-doing this tale so much.

Rapunzel being more active and getting out of her tower for most of the film is all right, that can exist within the original fairy tale.

But completely changing who Rapunzel was, from a peasant to a princess, her parents to monarchs, and the prince to a bandit?! Why would the king need to steal Rapunzel lettuce from a witch's garden if he's, well, a king?! He was a peasant originally...

Am I the only one bothered by this? That's really changing the story even more than The Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast! Our traditional classic fairy tale Disney is not continuing...? Alas, I'd love to write to them about it, not that it would change much.

However, I did want to write to them because I am worried about the song sung by three different people about love. The villain sings about love in a family way, the lovers in a romantic way. I hope the lyrics are at least slightly different to differentiate familial and romantic love. I want to write to Disney or Alan Menkin about it...

Anyone know how I could? I'd most love Alan Menkin's address... Any help would be appreciated...
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Well, I'm very excited for this movie! I think it'll be great.

Well Duster, the thing is that Rapunzel is a thin fairy tale, so you gotta expand it somehow. I tell people Disney is coming out with Rapunzel, and their first question is always "what will happen? All Rapunzel does in the story is sit in her tower". Therefore, you need her to be more active and actually do something worthwhile.

Having Rapunzel a princess already wouldn't be bad at all. Sure, I'd like a rags-to-riches story, but she'll sort of be a peasant when she's stuck in the tower and her true identity is hidden from her. Also, in the Barbie version of Rapunzel, she was also a princess.

As for the song, I'm sure it'll have different lyrics but will be the same melody. Sort of like the song "Her Voice" from the Broadway version of The Little Mermaid. There was a short reprise sung by Ursula that ended up being cut. Although both versions were about Ariel's voice, Ursula's version had different lyrics, a different feeling, and a different meaning than the version Prince Eric sang.
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Just a thought:

Lea Michele as Rapunzel!

Assuming Disney decides that Mandy Moore doesn't have the vocal ability to accompany an Alan Menken song (she doesn't!).

I'm basing this on Lea's performance of "Don't Rain on My Parade" from the fall finale of "Glee" on Wednesday. She is the kind of singer we should be getting for this film, not the girl who sang "Candy"!!!

This may tread dangerously close to beating a dead horse, as this topic (Mandy's voice) has been discussed before, so please forgive me if it is!

Agree/Disagree???
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Disney's Divinity wrote:
Poody wrote:Thank god Disney is casting broadway actors again!
Yeah, too bad it's alongside Mandy Moore. *shudder*
I'm actually a fan of her... :P I mush prefer their earlier choice of Kristin Chenoweth though. I see Mandy's voice working if she's singing similar to the way she sang the song "Only Hope."
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