Frozen: Part V

[phan258]

You guys complain too much

post of the thread, good LORD

Disney was just too coward to make Elsa a more dramatic, more ambiguous, more complex character. So the Elsa we have now is just a very afraid, weeping and weak, fragile character. She's almost never threatening, gloriously powerful nor regal... that's a pity

I'm sorry but this is nonsense. Literally every part of this movie that isn't focused on Anna's growth is focused on Elsa's: her acceptance of herself, coming into her own, embracing her power and therefore herself, and learning to love it and accept love from others. What isn't regal, powerful, and glorious about that?

Also the Anna bashing going on around the 'net is super gross and disappointing. She's lovely.

[PrincessElsa]

Is Elsa singing in those pictures? Is she singing For the First Time In Forever Reprise, Let It Go, or what?

No. This is from p.86-87 in the novelization. It's an incredibly intense moment. This is after Anna and Kristoff have left, and Elsa is wrestling with the nightmarish revelation that she has caused an eternal winter even despite removing herself from Arendelle to prevent it.

She is trying everything she can to control her emotions, but the magnitude of what has happened is causing ominous ice-shards to form all around her -- and of course you see the angry red color that the ice has taken on, in proportion with the intensity of the menace.

[tomakpo]

Oh great, but that would be even better with some singing. But I guess the movie has enough singing
Regarding Elsa as a villainesse, I think that doesn't show more power. I mean, without being the bad guy she created all that in summer, isn't that powerful?! Yes, It would have been awesome if she had been a villainesse, because we would have seen her backstory, her feelings and then her "bad guy stuff". But she being a good person is even better, because she is kind of the villain but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to be a monster, she wants to be free and she fights everything against her. We understand her, and, because of the fact she's not a villain, we can also relate to what's going on with her.

[Super Aurora]

How Disney Brought Warmth to a Villainous Snow Queen
“In early versions, Elsa the Snow Queen character was more of a villain,” Peter Del Vecho, producer, tells D23 about Walt Disney Animation Studios’ evolution of the Frozen story. “It was very hard to relate to her and understand why she was doing what she was doing.”
https://d23.com/frozen-elsa-directors-snow-queen/

Bullshit. Disney are manipulating us. Beast had so much of a "villain", and audience related to him so much... Disney was just too coward to make Elsa a more dramatic, more ambiguous, more complex character. So the Elsa we have now is just a very afraid, weeping and weak, fragile character. She's almost never threatening, gloriously powerful nor regal... that's a pity

Well they weren't wrong about originally making Snow Queen a villain. All the way back to early 2000's when they made ideas for a Snow Queen adaptions, she was intended to be a villain. But the design they chose for it was hideous.

This is what she was going look like long while back:

http://progresscityusa.com/wp-content/u ... yboard.jpg


but there were some other snow queen designs initially pitched back then:




These I find much better for sheer fact she look and act much older and more mature. This design I feel is even better contrast to Anna. They could of went something like that.

There's also Marc Davis' design which is also fantastic:

[Warm Regards]

Interestingly enough, the Snow Queen until fairly recently was going to be an older lady.





Source:
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[disneyprincess11]

Frozen was absolutely fantastic! Even my brother really liked it. He actually got into it. And the audience enjoyed it too!

The audience gasped at the huge villain reveal and they were laughing like crazy during In Summer and when Olaf said "People are worth melting for", they all went Awwwwwww. Full review tomorrow! All i can say is: It is NOT the best since B&TB, but it is up there with the greats!

[qindarka]

Frozen was absolutely fantastic! Even my brother really liked it. He actually got into it. And the audience enjoyed it too!

The audience gasped at the huge villain reveal and they were laughing like crazy during In Summer and when Olaf said "People are worth melting for", they all went Awwwwwww. Full review tomorrow! All i can say is: It is NOT the best since B&TB, but it is up there with the greats!

Didn't you have concerns over Hans being the villain? Care to elaborate on that?

[PrincessElsa]

All i can say is: It is NOT the best since B&TB, but it is up there with the greats!

For perspective, what would be your favorites, and where would Frozen place among them? Say, from your #1 favorite to where you'd place Frozen? (I mean, strictly among Disney animated films.)

I'm just curious to get a sense of your taste in this genre, for comparison's sake, but if you don't really have a precise ranking, no biggie.

[disneyprincess11]

@qindarka- It worked really well. You do not seeing it coming at all. You see Hans all sweet and brave, the BOOM! He's a big *beep* Santino did a fantastic job at the reveal! Like I said, the whole audience gasped.

PrincessElsa-I'll answer that tomorrow, so I can be more awake and think more. I'm tired right now

[Musical Master]

@qindarka- It worked really well. You do not seeing it coming at all. You see Hans all sweet and brave, the BOOM! He's a big *beep* Santino did a fantastic job at the reveal! Like I said, the whole audience gasped.

PrincessElsa-I'll answer that tomorrow, so I can be more awake and think more. I'm tired right now

I'm glad that you really liked the movie and of course, the big twist. Can't wait to ask you questions tomorrow.

[DisneyEra]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G31wNCwskI[/youtube]

[supertalies]

Wow, that looked awesome!

[Alphapanchito]

Wow, that new world of color segment is unbelievably beautiful. Wow I have to go to Disneyland.

For those wondering, that video does give off the similar feeling as the actual sequence does (i got chills haha). It shows a lot of her realizations during the song. It also shows you when she takes down her hair and makes her dress, which is just stunning. You can see in the video she throws her crown right before that. That hair flip she does will give you chills. I also think that this shows as she lets go, and her movements are no longer repressed like they were in Arendelle, Idina Menzel's singing voice fits much better, for those worrying about that. When I watched that, the voice fit the character really well and I never even thought about it until someone here brought it up.

[disneyprincess11]

Yeah, guys. Let It Go was AMAZING!

[taei]

Yeah, guys. Let It Go was AMAZING!

Ok, so i gotta ask.. Is the orchestration anywhere near the World of Color clip?

cause from the tumblr song, all I can hear is pianos.

[disneyprincess11]

Yup, it's just like WOC.

All of the orchestrations were great except Fixer Upper. I don't know if I was focusing on the song or the sound system to the theatre was bad (I could hardly hear olaf in his entrance), but I hardly heard any music to Fixer Upper. I could only hear something for "He's a bit of a fixer upper, he has a couple of bugs..." and that's it. But, it's a great song and a adorable scene And I can't wait to get the CD in 2 weeks, so if I can hear the music more.

[Musical Master]

Yup, it's just like WOC.

All of the orchestrations were great except Fixer Upper. I don't know if I was focusing on the song or the sound system to the theatre was bad (I could hardly hear olaf in his entrance), but I hardly heard any music to Fixer Upper. I could only hear something for "He's a bit of a fixer upper, he has a couple of bugs..." and that's it. But, it's a great song and a adorable scene And I can't wait to get the CD in 2 weeks, so if I can hear the music more.

That's great that the orchestrations in WOC are the same in the movie when it comes to Let it Go. I have some questions since you have seen it.

1. What did you think of Anna and Elsa as characters?
2. What was the finale music like?
3. Did you like the art direction by Mike Giaimo?
4. What did you think of Hans? Is he a better villian than Mother Gothel?
5. What did you think of Kristen Anderson-Lopez's lyrics to the songs if were comparing her to say, Glenn Slater and Tim Rice?
6. How was the Kristoff/Anna part of Frozen?
7. How did you like the Let it Go sequence when she creates her Ice palace?
8. Can this movie feel comfortable with the Disney Renaissance films?
9. How was the climax scene in the movie?

[slyslayer3000]

Yup, it's just like WOC.

Good to know because the tumblr song has this pop/upbeat thing going on. Or maybe it's just the recording quality that made it sound that way. Anyway, I'm extremely stoked for Frozen! I've been only keeping track with the songs so as not to spoil myself that much.

[Edthehyena]

Yup, it's just like WOC.

All of the orchestrations were great except Fixer Upper. I don't know if I was focusing on the song or the sound system to the theatre was bad (I could hardly hear olaf in his entrance), but I hardly heard any music to Fixer Upper. I could only hear something for "He's a bit of a fixer upper, he has a couple of bugs..." and that's it. But, it's a great song and a adorable scene And I can't wait to get the CD in 2 weeks, so if I can hear the music more.

That's great that the orchestrations in WOC are the same in the movie when it comes to Let it Go. I have some questions since you have seen it.

1. What did you think of Anna and Elsa as characters?
2. What was the finale music like?
3. Did you like the art direction by Mike Giaimo?
4. What did you think of Hans? Is he a better villian than Mother Gothel?
5. What did you think of Kristen Anderson-Lopez's lyrics to the songs if were comparing her to say, Glenn Slater and Tim Rice?
6. How was the Kristoff/Anna part of Frozen?
7. How did you like the Let it Go sequence when she creates her Ice palace?
8. Can this movie feel comfortable with the Disney Renaissance films?
9. How was the climax scene in the movie?

I know you are not asking me, but may i ?
2. No duet nor reprise or Disney chorus, just DYWTBAS instrumental.
6. Not developped. Deceiving. No intimacy scene like we had with all other Disney couples, not a single one
7. Amazing but gravitates mostly around the castle itself and visual CG effects.
8. Everyone says it's the same, as good as the 90's. But humor, fast tempo and visual are different. Storyline is not as perfect.
9. Beautiful but not that intense. Emotion, but the ultimate resolution and the last scene cant' compare with all your 90's gems...

It's still a "good" movie. Many good and new things in it.

[disneyprincess11]

1. What did you think of Anna and Elsa as characters?
2. What was the finale music like?
3. Did you like the art direction by Mike Giaimo?
4. What did you think of Hans? Is he a better villian than Mother Gothel?
5. What did you think of Kristen Anderson-Lopez's lyrics to the songs if were comparing her to say, Glenn Slater and Tim Rice?
6. How was the Kristoff/Anna part of Frozen?
7. How did you like the Let it Go sequence when she creates her Ice palace?
8. Can this movie feel comfortable with the Disney Renaissance films?
9. How was the climax scene in the movie?

1. Anna is adorable. She's modern, but still enjoyable. She's really feisty. Elsa was defientely the most memorable character. I don’t have a lot to say about Elsa. She is very interesting. You really feel bad for her and you do root for her. And when Anna sees her at the castle, Elsa gets very happy. You just love her. She is very relatable and caring. I’m very glad that they didn’t make her evil. Like I said, I was very skeptical of that. She’s definitely the new Ariel with the little girls if she gets added to the Princess lineup.

I'm really glad they didn't make Elsa evil. I was very skeptical about that, but if she was evil, you would not connect to her at all.

2. Yeah, it was the Vuelie reprise and a instrumental version of DYWTBAS with some "Oooooooooh"s.

3. It was great. You see the art in the credits.

4. The reveal was great. You really don't expect it. Because he is the perfect Disney prince: Smooth, romantic and brave. And then, you see him being evil. The whole audience gasped when he said, "If only someone loved you..." And honestly, my brother, who really liked Frozen BTW, thought Hans wasn't that evil.

5. They are defientely up there with the greats in my opinon! I'm doing a review on the music later.

6. It was cute. Like the recent movies, it's just bantering and Kristoff making fun of Anna/Hans, but they become pretty good friends later on. And the scene when Kristoff drops Anna off is heartbreaking. You can see the pain.

7. It was very beautiful with excellent animation of Elsa and beautiful visuals. They did the castle building very well. And the part when Elsa lets down her hair is so beautiful.

8. It was hard to tell with me, already knowing what happened. But, yeah: It fits so well! All i can say is, while Frozen is not obviously the greatest movie since Lion King, it is definitely up there with the classics. It has everything you want in a Disney movie: Intensity, the characters, a great plot, and great music. It’s definitely up there with the 90s. It did felt tike a 90s Disney movie. Is it better than the last 4 movies? It’s hard to tell right now. When I see it again with the rest of my family, maybe I can tell. If you really want a new Disney classic, see it! It would be a great, first Disney movie too for kids.

9. It was pretty good. It was defientely the best climax out of the recent Disney movies. But, I thought when Anna was frozen, it was very rushed! There was no big transformation. She just froze, Elsa cried, and everyone was like Awwww. Then, she thawed. And that's it.

My whole review is here: http://doyouwannabuildasnowman.tumblr.c ... r-spoilers