Reusing earlier years animation!!!!

[Siren]

A majority of the copying was in the same eras. At the time Don Bluth was one of the head animators and he has not made it a secret of how disgusted he was with how the animators were told to do this so frequently. Also, the reason why Rescuer's eyes are they way they are is because they told them not to paint in the eyes on many characters, to save money.

I know they are still rehashing old scenes, such as Beauty and the Beast's dance, it has still happened in more recent movies, but not are frequently as in the 70s and 80s.

I understand Disney is trying to save money, especially at a time when the films just weren't the blockbusters they hoped for, but from that video, it shows just how often it was done. Which cheapens the scenes and the movies, IMO. Granted most the scenes that were copies were dancing or chase scenes, you'd think there are other ways to direct those so they are different, but Disney was cutting costs at the time. It was just easier, faster, and cheaper to copy.

[SWillie!]

I wonder ... how much time and money it really does save Disney doing animation this way ? Are there any figures anywhere so we can see ?

As an aspiring animator myself, I can tell you that it would have saved them a LOT of time. Because the actual drawing part itself is not what takes the most time; it's working out the timing of each movement. So yeah, while they did have to redraw the characters so that they looked like a different character, they would have made everything a kajillion times easier by already having the rest of the work done for them.

That said, I really don't see much of an issue with it. It certainly doesn't take anything away from the movie, in my opinion. Also, one has to keep in mind that at the time movies in the 70s/80s were released, people were only seeing them once every ten YEARS or so. So there would have been no possible way for someone to notice recycled animation. But now with home entertainment... obviously, people caught on.

Also, I think the fact that it is already Disney's own animation makes it easier to swallow. I mean, if they had taken some animation from Warner Brothers and copied... no. But, since a Disney animator was the one who made all of the original animation, I don't think people should see it as a bad thing.

And as for the comments on the Youtube page... don't mind them. There has always been, and will always be, extreme Disney haters. Whatever.

[Elladorine]

I recognized a lot of that recycled animation from Robin Hood/Jungle Book when I was a kid with my first VCR. It doesn't bother me so much though, it's definitely a time saver that most people wouldn't notice in an occasional theatrical showing. And even when they've done it in more recent times, at least it's not as blatantly obvious. I saw this same video posted on some viral video site last year, and saw a debate emerge on another site that linked to it. It got a little stupid. I'm not surprised that comments may have gotten out of hand at youtube, I tend to avoid comments there like the plague anyway.

[ajmrowland]

Is that what this is about? That video's been up for months, and I thought we were all aware of it!

Anyway, I was aware of the the last one, but they cant still be doing this, can they?

[Atlantica]

Because the actual drawing part itself is not what takes the most time; it's working out the timing of each movement. So yeah, while they did have to redraw the characters so that they looked like a different character, they would have made everything a kajillion times easier by already having the rest of the work done for them.

I see, that makes sense then. Its the workng out of each movement that is the most time consuming. I get why they did it, certainly, but just seems quite ... startling ... to see it all strung together in this way.

The worst, I feel, is Maid Marion's dance movements copied from Duchess ... as Duchess, she is 'grooving' to jazz, and how on earth are those moves logical for a Medieval Maid ?!

[estefan]

Yeah, I don't mind the copying of the animation, considering what was happening to Disney at the time. Heck, I noticed Little John copying Baloo's moves ages ago. It's not like they tried to hide it.

In fact, I wonder if the decision to take Baloo, change his hair colour and slap on some clothes to make Little John also wasn't a means to save money.

[Scarred4life]

I don't mind them reusing the animation. It doesn't 'ruin' the movies for me, it was just a means for Disney to save money. I can still watch Robin Hood without obsessing over the fact that it has reused animation.

[Poody]

I think it's actually pretty cool. Especially love all the Snow White references!

[jpanimation]

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... 298#464298

[littlefuzzy]

I came across this video, and figured this (old) thread was the best place to share it!

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[Semaj]

Robin Hood was not a terrible film. Just mediocre, and very lazy.

Wolfgang Reitherman seemed to love recycling and reusing everything, and it's hard to distinguish his work outside the Xeroxography phase, since its cost and time-cutting process made it so much easier to take shortcuts.

[TheValentineBros]

I dunno, I liked Robin Hood, despite the recycled animation.

[Sotiris]

While a video of recycled Disney animation has long been passed around, a couple of new ones have popped up in HD quality and are making the rounds online. They include a few instances I never noticed before like the bird scene in Bambi/Alice. It's in two parts: part 01 & part 02. I've also found some other videos with lesser known recycling examples: video 01, video 02, video 03.

[Sotiris]

Floyd Norman explains why Disney used to recycle animation.

So I asked him, “what’s the deal with all those recycled scenes?” He nodded, laughed and said, “That was Woolie Reitherman.”

“It’s actually harder and takes longer to redraw an existing sequence,” Norman told me, “it’s a lot faster and easier to just do new animation, and it’s a lot more fun for the animators. But Woolie liked to play it safe and use stuff he knew would work. That’s all it was.”

Source: http://geekdad.com/2015/06/disneys-recycled-animation/