Finding Dory

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:43 pm

I never asked for a sequel from Pixar.

The danger behind this is something that should've been made obvious from when Disney went crazy with their sequel fetish not so long ago, especially when they themselves attempted to make follow-ups to all of Pixar's films, AND the fact that every studio in Hollywood is making sequels, even to films that were never popular in the first place.

Some bit of concern already lied in the fact that Brave was Pixar's first non-sequel in three YEARS. Soon, Pixar fans will go from "I can't wait to see what Pixar comes up with next!" to "Remember when Pixar used to make good films?" Cars 2 was simply a warning of what will happen if they take that path.

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:14 pm

But again, 99% of people who enjoyed the first will be excited for this. Regardless of the fact that sequels CAN be dangerous territory.

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:32 pm

Semaj wrote:Some bit of concern already lied in the fact that Brave was Pixar's first non-sequel in three YEARS.

And moreso because many people do not consider it as great as previous originals.

Honestly, I don't think anyone has clamored for a sequel to this or any other Pixar film beside The Incredibles, though I'm sure any sequel they create will be financially successful. I think sequel is just a scary word for a lot of people.

Lnds500 · Post by **Lnds500** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:49 pm

Slightly cynical post incoming

Avaitor wrote:Yeah, I still think that Stanton making this is his punishment for John Carter's massive failure.

Now why would anyone think that?

Seriously though, the timing for this couldn't be worse

Semaj wrote:I never asked for a sequel from Pixar.

The danger behind this is something that should've been made obvious from when Disney went crazy with their sequel fetish not so long ago, especially when they themselves attempted to make follow-ups to all of Pixar's films, AND the fact that every studio in Hollywood is making sequels, even to films that were never popular in the first place.

Some bit of concern already lied in the fact that Brave was Pixar's first non-sequel in three YEARS. Soon, Pixar fans will go from "I can't wait to see what Pixar comes up with next!" to "Remember when Pixar used to make good films?" Cars 2 was simply a warning of what will happen if they take that path.

Awesome post.

pap64 wrote:
Semaj wrote: It is if nobody wants one.
I SERIOUSLY doubt that is the case.

I remember when Finding Nemo came out, and the very first thing people wanted was a sequel. People wouldn't stop talking about how awesome the characters were, they couldn't get enough of them and wanted more. Same thing with Monsters Inc.

Now, this was back when Toy Story 2 came out and blew people away by how good it was, and managed to be even better than the first movie (and the third movie, in turn, proved to be better than the two of them in their eyes). So the idea of a Finding Nemo 2 was not only a possibility but a welcomed one because of how fantastic Toy Story 2 one.

Nowadays, the main reason are shunning the idea away is because of Cars 2, which was the lone example of Pixar at its weakest. So now we are getting sequels (or prequel in Monsters University's case) to two movies that people adored, and not we don't want them? OK, I get the concern that Pixar might be too reliant on their proven franchises and not enough on their own original ideas. But at the same time, we are getting what we wished for years ago, and now it's an issue? Pixar doesn't even get the benefit of the doubt.

Seriously, some fans are fidgety as to what they want out of movie studios

A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them - Steve Jobs

A lot of people "want a sequel" to a successful movie, or they want to "see more". Most say it lightly though and they hardly think of the repercussions, like, what's the story about? Does this movie really need a sequel?

The average Joe (and that includes families - which are not very selective in what they'll see as long as it's animated

) will go to the cinemas, watch the film and conclude that "the first one was better". We've seen it with Shrek, Madagascar etc etc

SWillie! wrote:
Semaj wrote: It is if nobody wants one.
You're highly deluded there. The only people who don't want one are the cynical, hardcore fans that whine about any talk of a sequel to anything. On the other hand, the other 99% of people who loved Finding Nemo will be More than happy to learn about this. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this put up Toy Story 3 numbers.

... or the people who actually care about Pixar and films in general and don't mindlessly go to watch films "because the first one was great". also, 99% is pushing it, the community (and by that I don't mean the fora) is kinda divided on this. I also believe this could be the next highest grossing animated film of all time. I only hope it will deserve the title.

SWillie! wrote:But again, 99% of people who enjoyed the first will be excited for this. Regardless of the fact that sequels CAN be dangerous territory.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin

(just something that crossed my mind)

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:11 pm

You're absolutely right about the stupid average moviegoer. That's exactly what I meant. Regardless of how the elite moviegoers feel about that though, it's the sad truth. And that's the reason this film is being made. I understand that 99% is an exaggeration, but the point stands, and the filmmakers are aware of that.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:00 pm

Lnds500 wrote:
A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them - Steve Jobs

A lot of people "want a sequel" to a successful movie, or they want to "see more". Most say it lightly though and they hardly think of the repercussions, like, what's the story about? Does this movie really need a sequel?

The average Joe (and that includes families - which are not very selective in what they'll see as long as it's animated ) will go to the cinemas, watch the film and conclude that "the first one was better". We've seen it with Shrek, Madagascar etc etc

Exactly.

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:32 am

Everytime there is a discussion about movies, slamming of the 'average moviegoers' inevitably happens. Let them enjoy what they want. I am sure the majority of you like plenty of things which others would find stupid. It is delusional to think that you represent some sort of elite, with 'objectively good taste', in contrast to the oh so stupid masses. You are the average moviegoer, don;t try to play at being superior.

Not that I like this idea of a sequel, though I am not so vehemently opposed to it as I am for Monsters University. Anyway, for much as people like to pan sequels, they do make loads of money. I often find that people who make a show of panning sequels also clamor for sequels for other movies, for example the contingent who want a sequel to The Incredibles even as they blasted the idea of Cars 2.

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:12 am

qindarka wrote:Everytime there is a discussion about movies, slamming of the 'average moviegoers' inevitably happens. Let them enjoy what they want. I am sure the majority of you like plenty of things which others would find stupid. It is delusional to think that you represent some sort of elite, with 'objectively good taste', in contrast to the oh so stupid masses. You are the average moviegoer, don;t try to play at being superior.

Yes! People on forums may be quick to play the role of the "smart moviegoer", yet in the eyes of the executives we are just the moviegoer. If we want to play the role of the cynical internet forumer, we are all just dollar signs. And let's face it, we can waste our time and breath discussing why Finding Nemo 2 is a bad idea, and heck, we can all get on our little high horses and try to be better than most. But the end, when opening weekend comes, we are the first ones to be there. And if the movie proves to be just as good, or even better than the first one, we all sing and dance the film's praises like nothing was wrong to begin with.

Seriously, I may be sounding like a really, really bad cynic (or an awful Pixar fanboy depending on how you view this), but nothing will erase the idea that ALL of this backlash is all based on Cars 2 being the end of a perfect Pixar streak.

I mean, let's go back to the first Pixar sequel: Toy Story 2.

The movie wasn't even meant to be a theatrical release. It was going to be a DTV movie. DIRECT TO VIDEO. But Pixar did such a fantastic job with it that they decided to release it theatrically, and it managed to be one of the few sequels that was crowd pleasing and be better than the first sequel. Afterwards, whenever a successful Pixar movie was out like Monsters Inc. and Finding Nemo, the first thing they demanded was a sequel. We wanted to see more of the characters, more of the universe, more of the story and see where they take us from there.

Then Toy Story 3 came out, and while the outlook was overall positive (especially since the team that worked with the first two movies were involved in this), a lot of people said the same thing: but the second movie ended SO WELL! Why need a sequel?

The movie is released... it becomes the highest grossing animated movie of all time. Oh sure, the fact that it was Toy Story drove people to the theaters in masses (or as you folks lovingly call them, Joe Moviegoers). But it quickly became one of the highest rated movies of the year, it earned itself a Best Picture Oscar nomination, and it sparked an interesting debate on how people perceive movies and emotions. Need I remind you it was the THIRD entry in the series?

No one seemed to mind that it was a sequel because it was so darn good and easily competed with other movies in terms of stories and characterization. If you were to ask people then if they would love to see a Finding Nemo sequel, most would say yes because Toy Story 3 had proven to them that Pixar could successfully continue a story without it feeling like a marketing tactic (which in actuality is what sequels are: extensions of existing properties).

But then came Cars 2... the movie, despite being commercially successful, was a critical bomb with both film experts and critics. Supposedly, it marked the end of Pixar's golden age and the beginning of the "copper age". With Brave having so much behind the scenes drama, not being THAT big of a hit with critics, and its co-director speaking out about her involvement with the movie in a manner that she is short of burning a bra in protest, and Stanton being stuck with the John Carter stigma after directing two highly successful animated movies, it seems people are quick to jump the ship without even any real signs of sinking being shown.

Call me an ignorant optimist, but I still believe that all this backlash about the Finding Nemo sequel is really just a reaction to all the supposedly negative marketing Pixar has been receiving as of late, because when Toy Story 2 and 3 were made and release, the doubt never crossed anyone's mind.

Now, I may have been harsh on the doubters, but in all honesty I can see why this would seem "alarming". Yeah, creating a Finding Nemo sequel, which was one of the biggest animated movies of the early 00s, can indeed be seen as a marketing tactic since Disney can only milk the first movie for so much. So an extension of that can give Disney and Pixar to create something better off of the franchise and people's love for it.

But mainly what I am saying is that we shouldn't be running around like chicken with their heads cut off just because of an IDEA. At the very least, I will give Pixar the benefit of the doubt. If the movie turns out to be one of the best ever, then fine. If it a disappointment, that's fine too.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:53 am

What bothers me about this whole debacle is Stanton's attitude. I can't believe he actually blamed Disney for giving him full creative control while every filmmaker in Hollywood is begging for creative freedom.

Also regarding the Finding Nemo sequel, I find it incredibly silly of him to deny the news on Twitter while confirming it a few weeks later. What's up with that?

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:58 am

Sotiris wrote:What bothers me about this whole debacle is Stanton's attitude. I can't believe he actually blamed Disney for giving him full creative control while every filmmaker in Hollywood is begging for creative freedom.

Also regarding the Finding Nemo sequel, I find it incredibly silly of him to deny the news on Twitter while confirming it a few weeks later. What up with that?

Yeah, Stanton has been a little strange about the while thing. Its possible he simply didn't have the okay to say anything, or even that in just the past few weeks he's started work on it.

Lnds500 · Post by **Lnds500** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:56 am

qindarka wrote:Everytime there is a discussion about movies, slamming of the 'average moviegoers' inevitably happens. Let them enjoy what they want. I am sure the majority of you like plenty of things which others would find stupid. It is delusional to think that you represent some sort of elite, with 'objectively good taste', in contrast to the oh so stupid masses. You are the average moviegoer, don;t try to play at being superior.

pap64 wrote:Yes! People on forums may be quick to play the role of the "smart moviegoer", yet in the eyes of the executives we are just the moviegoer. If we want to play the role of the cynical internet forumer, we are all just dollar signs. And let's face it, we can waste our time and breath discussing why Finding Nemo 2 is a bad idea, and heck, we can all get on our little high horses and try to be better than most. But the end, when opening weekend comes, we are the first ones to be there. And if the movie proves to be just as good, or even better than the first one, we all sing and dance the film's praises like nothing was wrong to begin with.

I didn't want to come off as "the pretentious movie-goer" and that Carlin quote was just something that crossed my mind at the time, not how I feel about movie-goers in general.
I do believe though that I have some form of dignity(?) as a consumer and I can be more selective in what I buy or/and watch, unlike a lot of other people.

I was mainly thinking of teenage girls on twitter going "FINDING NEMO 2 OMG BEST FILM EVAR GETTING A SEQUEL. WELL DONE DREAMWORKS! <3" and parents who are gonna see it no matter what cause "that's what they have in theatres right now".

And for the record, I am not in a hurry to see any of the upcoming Pixar films aside from the originals unless the sequels/prequels get raving reviews and prove me wrong

Atlantica · Post by **Atlantica** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:39 am

If the storyline is strong and well written a la Toy Story, this has the potential to be a fine movie.

BUT there is still no reason I think to give it a sequel. No lose ends etc. But again, if the story they come up with is good, then I don't see a problem with it being made. And all the voice actors are back etc. Though Nemo must be pretty old by now ?!

A wonder if they did a short instead, that could be cool.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:49 pm

atlanticaunderthesea wrote: And all the voice actors are back etc. Though Nemo must be pretty old by now ?!

If there's one thing I wouldn't worry about its voices. They are great at recasting when it matters (ie not counting shorts like the Toy Story treats). Young Andy in TS3 sounded exactly like John Morris as a kid. For a short while I actually thought they may have dug up old recordings but nope, that's a new kid, Charlie Bright. Now that I think about it, he might even make a good Nemo...

Then of course there's Blake clark as Jim Varney's replacement.

TheValentineBros · Post by **TheValentineBros** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:40 am

Welp, Finding Nemo 3D got beaten at #2 by Resident Evil: Retribution.

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DC Fan · Post by **DC Fan** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:46 am

Probably becuause it is just another release for a movie and not a new one?

And yes, you could tell me about how well The Lion King did...

However, The Lion King was from 1994 and Finding Nemo from 2003.

There´s a huge gap where a new generation didn´t get to see it. On top of that, since Lion King was a Platinum release as soon as it came OOP no one that had it could just go ahead and do it. As such, parents could actually take their kids to watch it for the first time.

Finding Nemo on the other hand is not just recent but the DVD has been always available since its release. So, people that couldn´t watch it on theaters didn´t have to struggle to get a copy and do so.

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:12 pm

DC Fan wrote:However, The Lion King was from 1994 and Finding Nemo from 2003.

Yes, it's only 9 years old.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:02 pm

^yes, and it has had many a tv airing and DVDs are still on sale.....well, several months ago anyway.

the Lion King was in more demand.

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:13 am

This might be released on November 25, 2015. According to Box Office Mojo, there's an "Untitled Pixar Animation" set for this day. Pete Docter's mind movie is set to be released in June of 2015 and BOM already has a page for the "Day of the Dead" project. So this could be when Nemo 2 gets released.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:09 pm

Albert Brooks signs deal for Finding Nemo 2

http://www.deadline.com/2013/02/albert- ... ng-nemo-2/

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:58 pm

PatrickvD wrote:Albert Brooks signs deal for Finding Nemo 2

http://www.deadline.com/2013/02/albert- ... ng-nemo-2/

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