Disney's rumored next 2d animated film *here we go again*

[Goliath]

Duster, please, stop. Just stop.

When you said this, I knew further discussing was pointless:

[quote=""Disney Duster""]No. I said that fairy tales are a part of the Disney essence. [...][/quote]
No, you didn't. I called you out on yet *another* huge contradiction in your reasoning. And, as you *always* do, you later modify your initial argument to make it look like you were not contradicting yourself. We have played this game over and over and over again and I'm getting very tired of it.

You say I should consider you are "right". Has it ever occurred to you that you may be wrong?! No. Because, according to yourself, you are always right. Always. And everybody is always wrong. Always. And that's no surprise, considering you always, time after time after time, keep changing your aguments once the enormous flaws in them have been pointed out. Your whole thought-process on this so-called non-existant 'Disney essence' is just incoherent. It changes from post to post, depending on somebody else's arguments. All to never have to 'admit' it's just nostalgia.

There's no shame in admitting it, Duster.

Let's be realistic. If The Little Mermaid was being made today, by the exact same crew and with the exact same result, youw ould whine about how "un-Disney" it would be. You would not stop pointing out how Disney had changed the unhappy ending from the H.C. Andersen fairytale (where the mermaid doesn't get the prince and turns into seafoam) into a happy end (where the mermaid marries the prince). You would go ballistic over the changed ending and you would not stop pointing it out. You would say Walt would never have approved of it and you would say The Little Mermaid doesn't have the 'Disney Essence'.

[Disney Duster]

Super Aurora, okay but I already explained why I don't think that's the case but you can think what you want... : (

DisneyAnimation you and I agree and you just don't see it. Lasseter himself said he wanted Disney to be their own thing but Pixar be it's own thing. Glen Keane pointed it out, too. That's what I meant by it's un-Disney, it's just not Disney.

As for Mickey, if he was in films and shorts the kind back in Walt's day, I'd be fine with that! But back in Walt's day it was only a little time in a package feature. Now, here me out please. First, I don't think the package features should be called DAC's because Walt did not say they were DAC's. He actually made the dilineation between a package feature and a full-length feature, and I think he meant only the full-length ones to be DAC's. The DAC list was something done after his death so unfortunately it's up to debate and it's a shame because I feel it's innacurate. But anyway, I would be fine with seeing Mickey in a feature film that doesn't count as a DAC. Like The Search for Mickey Mouse as a theatrical film, but not a DAC. Kinda like a package feature.

Goliath, sorry, but that's just you and a lot of people's opinion. What you percieve as me changing my arguments is me clarifying my argument. I swear there were some posts, however few they were, maybe even just two or something, where I admitted I was wrong. I know I did that at least sometime.

It's not nostalgia like you say it is, there is only the possibility that maybe it is sometimes, and what we are discussing here is not one of those times.

As for The Little Mermaid example, I already said that there are some things about it I might say go a little un-Disney, like maybe the Jamaicanness or something, though I'm not sure, if it was possible that Jamaiscan people in that time made that music (even before white humans discovered it) I could believe it as a Disney thing. And the happy ending is a Disney type of change, because Walt Disney always, always had good win over evil and happy endings, there's even Walt quotes about it! So I am totally in agreement with it.

[Goliath]

Oh, put a sock in it, Mike.

[Sotiris]

At the Diz
http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... t-diz.html

I spent a good part of the afternoon at the Disney Company's hat building, where there's more production happening.

[...] And there is early work on a possible hand-drawn feature taking place, although staff said it's too early to say if it will ultimately get made or not.

[disneyboy20022]

[DisneyAnimation88]

The DAC list was something done after his death so unfortunately it's up to debate and it's a shame because I feel it's innacurate.

I agree with you that it's debatable but I personally don't have a problem with them being included in the DAC line. The reason for that is that many of the segments (Wind in the Willows, Sleepy Hollow, Mickey and the Beanstalk, Bongo) were planned as full-length features but for economical reasons, those plans were changed. As has been noted by others, if Disney could create a story similar to Epic Mickey, one that is exciting and original, I would love to see Mickey in a full-length feature that would be parts of the DAC's. If they were just going to take a classic story or fairytale and insert Mickey into it like they have before then maybe I would think differently but Mickey Mouse is not just a corporate symbol or a pre-school character; he and the likes of Goofy and Donald Duck are still entertaining characters that should not be wasted or left to languish on the Disney Channel.

[Goliath]

So, changing the ending to 'The Little Mermaid' = O.K. and totally "what Walt would have wanted".

Changing Rapunzel from peasant girl to princess = absolutely verboten, un-Disney and would make Walt roll in his refrigerator.

Okaaaay...

[Disney Duster]

DisneyAnimation, maybe because they were planned as films that are okay as DAC's, but I also feel that because they weren't how Walt planned them to be, maybe he wouldn't. It's something we can't know, I feel that they shouldn't be DAC's if I had to pick, but I guess we can't know.

I think a non-DAC Mickey would be alright. I guess even a DAC is alright. I guess it's not the worst thing ever. Just as long as he wasn't all over exposed. I just don't know, something in me still wonders if it would be right, since he was always the guy from the shorts, the shorts were his realm. I'd rather just see more shorts.

Goliath, I get what you mean, lol, but maybe see that it is "keeping the characters who the characters are and being as faithful as possible for a Disney flick", against "changing one of the saddest, most depressing, most un-Disneyseeming endings ever".

And you know, if Walt actually would be okay with the ending being kept the same as the original book in the film (not a short version, but a full film), I would totally accept today's filmakers making Disney Little Mermaid like that, and then still think Tangled is wrong. So there, that may make you happy. But as of now, the Little Mermaid makes sense to me and the only problem I really have is with Tangled.

I am not saying that whatever you think is just beacuse of your upbringing (at least in this thread), so please also try to understand me, instead of just shrugging it off.

[Dream Huntress]

Duster I haven't been on the Tangled thread all that much, so I don't see how Tangled is -besides the title- really un-Disney,in fact, this is the most straight up Disney they've been since the late 90s, whatever is that supposed to mean anyway to you anyway, I would ask, but I'm kinda bored so, let's get on topic.

Clements and Musker pitched a new hand drawn project to Lasseter, we know for a fact it's not Mort, so, any other ideas at what could be? The last time I heard them wanting a project was Treasure Planet, and I'm entirely sure how they got the PATF gig, wasn't that offered to them?

[Goliath]

I am not saying that whatever you think is just beacuse of your upbringing (at least in this thread), so please also try to understand me, instead of just shrugging it off.

In which thread did you bring my upbringing into it, then?

[WarriorDreamer]

I think it'd be good if they did a PROPER Mickey Mouse film. As in not adapted from a different story or fairy tale.

To be just Mickey AS Mickey. Maybe even an origin story and showing him as a child and meeting Minnie.

There would obviously have to be some magic involved but it would have to be really creative and original to use just standard Mickey and make a good story.

[Disney Duster]

Dream Huntress, sorry, but I already explained why I feel Tangled is un-Disney in some ways, including too modern, too cynical humor, to fast and less gentle, along with the other things I mentioned in this thread.

Goliath, well, over time, I have realized a lot of what you say may come from some...not so good life experiences...hence perhaps your view...but that is all I will say.

[ajmrowland]

I can't wait for this!

Not only is it 2D (hopefully), but it will also include Mickey, Donald, and Goofy. It's far time they were seen on the screen again

Mickey, Donald, and Goofy are WAY overdue on the big screen again. They're been reduced to pre-school-only characters and need to come back!

This. Kingdom Hearts is the only entity that keeps them in the older kids crowd.

[Rose Dome]

I think it'd be good if they did a PROPER Mickey Mouse film. As in not adapted from a different story or fairy tale.

I don't mind either way, but the Goofy Movie suburban thing is pretty cool

[Disney Duster]

Actually I just realized, why not a Mickey Movie (or something like that), just done with the high quality feature animation crew? It's not a DAC but still a Disney movie and then Mickey's still back in the public's eye that way.

[DisneyAnimation88]

Actually I just realized, why not a Mickey Movie (or something like that), just done with the high quality feature animation crew? It's not a DAC but still a Disney movie and then Mickey's still back in the public's eye that way.

If you're going to use the best animators at Disney, why not make it a DAC? Again if the idea and the story is good enough, there is no conceivable or logical reason not to do this (Walt would not have wanted Mickey over-exposed is not a logical reason).

[WonderlandFever]

Well since Walt Disney never made a full length DAC with Mickey featured it would just be un-Disney to release the film as a DAC Walt didn't want Mickey over-exposed that's why the package features never became full length

oohh I have a headache from trying to use Duster's logics lol!

[Goliath]

Goliath, well, over time, I have realized a lot of what you say may come from some...not so good life experiences...hence perhaps your view...but that is all I will say.

The nerve you have...

You know no shame, do you?

Just because people are based in reality and are not in fantasyland all the time, doesn't mean their opinions come from "not so good life experiences".

You know what? Forget it. I'm even sorry I replied to you. It's obviously a big waste of time.

[Wonderlicious]

Goliath, well, over time, I have realized a lot of what you say may come from some...not so good life experiences...hence perhaps your view...but that is all I will say.

The nerve you have...

You know no shame, do you?

Just because people are based in reality and are not in fantasyland all the time, doesn't mean my opinions come from "not so good life experiences".

You know what? Forget it. I'm even sorry I replied to you. It's obviously a big waste of time.

You know, I thought about saying something, but you got here yourself anyway, Goliath. Needless to say: seriously, Duster, you really are so, so tactless. You are not a psychoanalyst, period. Don't ever come up with such thoughtless comments again. And anyway, even if somebody goes through hard experiences, it doesn't necessarily turn them negative in whatever way. In fact, it can make them a better, stronger person. You've really dug a hole here. Urgh...

[Disney Duster]

Yea well I say that if Walt never made Mickey in a full-length feature and Mickey is ultra ultra special maybe you should think about that. It would certainly not be terrible if the film wasn't a DAC either because that is just a label and as long as Mickey's getting a movie, that is a little different from the DACs, that sounds pretty good.

And you know, all this stuff about being "tactless" or "not psychoanalytic" is your opinion. If hard experiences make someone too hard in their view and they should lighten up and see more good in the world and think better of life I'm gonna say something to help with that light. If your opinion is otherwise so be it.