Billy Ray Cyrus regrets "Hannah Montana"

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Just because the film ended the way it did doesn't mean she didn't walk away appreciating the simple life more than she did when she arrived. She showed over the course of the film how much she values and has an appreciation for the simple life. If one feels good at the conclusion of the film with the positive music what's so bad about that? I love the song "You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home" and it made me feel good and I felt it summed up the message of the film. What's wrong with people feeling this about the film?
Because this movie has gotten waaaay more praise than it deserves, when it actually displays truly hypocrisy, sends a wrong message and is a product just for cash. Think about it. The crew, Miley talked about that this movie was about Hannah choosing between the two worlds and the film was pretty much leading up to that conclusion. No, it's not impossible that Miley would still appreciate the things she learned in Crowley Corners, but the way the film solved this was very weak. She was singing a song about the things she had learned and tried to convince the audience as she had learned it, too. Yet she was practically forced to be Hannah again just to please her fans. Sure, Miley really wanted to be Hannah, but wasn't she tired of living a double life? Didn't she said it right before she took her wig off?

Yes, Miley could still be Hannah and be a more wiser person, but lets face it; We humans are creatures that get often used to things. Miley had gotten used to the life as a celebrity and all the things it included and now she was getting back to those things; A life as a celebrity (like Hannah Montana) is very superficial and shallow and it would be very easy to assume that Miley would return to be superficial and shallow again, surrounded by those things. If you get what I mean.
Did the film have to be 100% realistic though? Did the film have to be 100% original?
No, a film doesn't have to be truly realistic, but the non-realism in this film was extremely cringe-worthy. At least the fact that nobody recognizes Miley as Hannah makes at least more sense in the show, since she is Miley at school and Hannah on the evenings (although the show is far from realistic, though, but whatever). Even in the show Miley got recognized when she was singing as Hannah. In the film, nobody (not even the highly annoying Oswald) recognized her as Hannah when she was singing "Hoedown Throwdown". Neither Travis and Lorelai, who were spending weeks with Miley, didn't recognize her as Hannah.
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DisneyFan09 wrote: Whoa, whoa, whoa; Do you actually thought Oliver was the second most annoying character?? I happen to disagree. I think he was an awesome character (at least when he wasn't a douche as in the third season); Funny, goofy and charismatic. What's not to like?

With the exception of the highly annoying Sienna, I must say that the fourth season is better than I expected. It's not as good as the first seasons, but its way, way better than the horrid third season.
I think I ended up not liking him because he spent so much time with Rico in B-Plots (especially in the 3rd season). I will agree with you in saying that Season 3 was horrific.
Someone I've always liked was Roxy. Where the heck did she disappear to? Did Miley suddenly develop ninja skills to defend herself? She could've at least been in the finale...
Siena's not as annoying to me as other characters. She just overreacts sometimes.
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I think I ended up not liking him because he spent so much time with Rico in B-Plots (especially in the 3rd season).
I actually liked the fact that he spent time with Rico. They had a nice chemistry and their scenes were funnt together. I actually went from hating Rico, to actually liking him.
I will agree with you in saying that Season 3 was horrific.
Thanks. With a few exceptions, the third season was pretty much horrific
Someone I've always liked was Roxy. Where the heck did she disappear to? Did Miley suddenly develop ninja skills to defend herself? She could've at least been in the finale...
Agree, that was mysterious. However, I have mixed feelings about Roxy, though. She could be likeable at times, but other times she could be severly annoying.
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Goliath wrote:
Disney Duster wrote:Yes, but like I said, none of us truly know what went on. I always thought this must've been the case: [...]
That makes no sense *at all*. Nine year olds don't design clothing. Nine year olds can't do anything without approval of their parents. Saying Billy Ray Cyrus knew nothing about it or couldn't stop her, is a very dumb thing to say. I can't believe anyone would be so naive --not even you.
Did you miss the part where she said she wanted to do something like her big sister, who was already a star designing clothing, and her dad probably said "yes" not really knowing what she would design?
estefan wrote:I'm more confused what exactly Aurora's joke was meant to mean. Usually, his jokes make sense and are actually clever. This one didn't work and just felt like a pointless insult towards another poster.

And not even Duster, so again, what was the point?
Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black making a pointless insult towards another poster, aka me? Just what did you mean by that comment mentioning my name?
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I love the smell of irony! (sorry, I'm not into the new Disney.)
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PatrickvD wrote:One more reason why shows like this need to go away. The Disney channel needs to be about Disney again.
Ok, maybe its time for Disney to only Alice Comedies, with Disney's original main child actress Virginia Davis :D
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I meant to post about this weeks ago, but got lazy. Here are my thoughts in the situation...

EVERYONE is to blame here. Yeah, a really lazy claim to make instead of picking a side and arguing it with somebody. However, people are picking one side instead of looking at the whole picture. I believe that everyone involved is responsible in many ways of Miley's degradation as a young girl.

First, let's look at Disney. It's likely that when they were searching for the next pop star they were looking for someone that would fit the bill, and Miley hit the jackpot very nicely. Then they decided to exploit her for all her worth. Movies, TV shows, albums, concerts, merchandise deals, the works. Even people that love this sort of fame will eventually burn out and decide to rebel in one way or the other towards the employer. In this case, Miley decided to go hogwild with her fame and try and shed any evidence of innocence and perkiness her Hannah Montana character created. This isn't the first time this has happened so you would think that by now the company would lighten up on their pop stars if they want to maintain their family friendly image (and yes I am aware of all their un-family friendly deeds, no need to point them out).

Now, let's take a look at the Cyrus family, especially Billy Ray. One of two things happened: Miley really wanted the gig and begged him to accept the job at Disney or he really needed the money and thought it would be a nice thing to get into. Either way, he signed the contract and thus allowed her daughter to be exploited while he raked in the money (and was likely having fun as well). You know how money and fame can often corrupt even the kindest soul? Well, this may be what happened here. I am not calling Billy a kind man (I don't know the guy to know), however its likely that the pressure of a big company like Disney as well as the temptation of money and fame drove him to ignore his family's needs, and now he truly may be regretting the decision. Yes, all of this may be some poor stunt in order to get more work and attention his way, but it could also be a real sentiment on Billy's behalf.

Finally, there's Miley herself. A lot of people tend to say that teenagers are often dumb and will do anything without thinking about the consequences. Well, I say that doesn't always happens as I know some teens that are aware of the consequences of their actions and display a wisdom higher that even the oldest adult will ever do. What I am getting at is that Miley is also responsible for her own demise as she should have shown some restraint when all of this was going on in her life. Am I giving Miley too much credit here? Most likely yeah. Her parents were having too much fun with the money she was making and wasn't surrounded by the right kind of people. Still, I am of the believer that everything we do will have a consequence and its likely that Miley will regret her actions as well.

So in conclusion I believe that everyone had a role in the apparent demise of Miley's character. Disney is guilty of exploiting a young girl into drinking and behaving wildly, Billy is guilty of not fully looking out for her and Miley is guilty for not having a better sense of judgement. Everything that happens in life is rarely done by one person, everyone has a role in creating one's destiny, and this is what happened with the Cyrus family: blinded by the promises of riches and happiness enough to see that it was all an act created by a company in order to keep milking a young girl's talent dry.
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Disney Duster wrote:Did you miss the part where she said she wanted to do something like her big sister, who was already a star designing clothing, and her dad probably said "yes" not really knowing what she would design?
Yeah, I already debunked that, because it's not possible. Her father would have to approve everything before anything was produced. And nine year olds don't come up with such clothing themselves. Really, why you are defending this pathethic piece of shit, who used his daughters to be in the spotlights and make tons of money himself, is beyond me.
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I don’t excuse Billy Ray for putting his daughters in a bad position, but I hardly think that’s proof alone that he was trying to get attention and money for himself. I’m sure he probably thought this was a good move for Miley, because she’d never have to worry about money again. I mean, the only bad things (the stripper pole) were likely Miley's own doing, not forced by the Disney company. Even the younger sister's clothing line is just a name--she's never shown in panties or anything. It's not like he sold their souls. :lol:

Honestly, all the previous Disney stars (Hilary, the Jonases, the HSM stars, Christina, even Britney) have done pretty well for themselves with no real bad side. I mean, making careers out of the talentless? Miley should be grateful.
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No hopefully others will think twice about whoring out their family.
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Goliath, there's is no possible way that Billy Ray approved everything, like he was some CEO at Disney. Miley slipped things (stripper pole) right by Disney, of course any of his daughters could slip things by him. Until you show me proof you know exactly what happened, I can offer a different possible option for what happened.
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So, it seems as though the Jury is out on this one. I guess court's taking a recess.
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DisneyFan09 wrote:
Just because the film ended the way it did doesn't mean she didn't walk away appreciating the simple life more than she did when she arrived. She showed over the course of the film how much she values and has an appreciation for the simple life. If one feels good at the conclusion of the film with the positive music what's so bad about that? I love the song "You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home" and it made me feel good and I felt it summed up the message of the film. What's wrong with people feeling this about the film?
Because this movie has gotten waaaay more praise than it deserves, when it actually displays truly hypocrisy, sends a wrong message and is a product just for cash. Think about it. The crew, Miley talked about that this movie was about Hannah choosing between the two worlds and the film was pretty much leading up to that conclusion. No, it's not impossible that Miley would still appreciate the things she learned in Crowley Corners, but the way the film solved this was very weak. She was singing a song about the things she had learned and tried to convince the audience as she had learned it, too. Yet she was practically forced to be Hannah again just to please her fans. Sure, Miley really wanted to be Hannah, but wasn't she tired of living a double life? Didn't she said it right before she took her wig off?

Yes, Miley could still be Hannah and be a more wiser person, but lets face it; We humans are creatures that get often used to things. Miley had gotten used to the life as a celebrity and all the things it included and now she was getting back to those things; A life as a celebrity (like Hannah Montana) is very superficial and shallow and it would be very easy to assume that Miley would return to be superficial and shallow again, surrounded by those things. If you get what I mean.
Did the film have to be 100% realistic though? Did the film have to be 100% original?
No, a film doesn't have to be truly realistic, but the non-realism in this film was extremely cringe-worthy. At least the fact that nobody recognizes Miley as Hannah makes at least more sense in the show, since she is Miley at school and Hannah on the evenings (although the show is far from realistic, though, but whatever). Even in the show Miley got recognized when she was singing as Hannah. In the film, nobody (not even the highly annoying Oswald) recognized her as Hannah when she was singing "Hoedown Throwdown". Neither Travis and Lorelai, who were spending weeks with Miley, didn't recognize her as Hannah.
So we're supposed to write the film off because people didn't recognize her as Hannah? I guess we have to write off the show too then since Lilly and Oliver didn't see it either. You do know much of what you say about the film applies to the show as well.

I also wasn't aware the movie was such a praised film to start out with in order to be overly praised.
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Disney Duster wrote:Goliath, there's is no possible way that Billy Ray approved everything, like he was some CEO at Disney. Miley slipped things (stripper pole) right by Disney, of course any of his daughters could slip things by him. Until you show me proof you know exactly what happened, I can offer a different possible option for what happened.
As Miley was a minor, a certain amount of responsibility falls on his shoulders.
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I do feel bad for him since as a father I would only want the best for my girls as well. Why does no one talk about the mother who is also her manager? Outside of the show how much control did he really have and how much was perceived? How much control did/does the mother have? It seems that the mom is currently enabling this behavior and she has also seperated the family. Could it be she's been the one manipulating this whole thing so she could have sole control and therefore control of the purse strings?

What kind of society do we live in where everything is always the fathers fault and the mother is always innocent? We don't live in the 1950's anymore and I'm tired of women who destroy families and aren't held responsible for their actions. I went through this, and had to rescue my girls, so this kind of thing really bothers me.
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So we're supposed to write the film off because people didn't recognize her as Hannah? I guess we have to write off the show too then since Lilly and Oliver didn't see it either. You do know much of what you say about the film applies to the show as well.
Okay, you got me there. You're right. However, Miley got almost busted when she was singing in the show. In the movie, not.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Honestly, all the previous Disney stars (Hilary, the Jonases, the HSM stars, Christina, even Britney) have done pretty well for themselves with no real bad side. I mean, making careers out of the talentless? Miley should be grateful.
Really? Christina Aguilera in 'Dirrrrty'? Britney Spears shaving her head; showing off her pussy while going out with good-for-nothing airhead Paris Hilton; nasty divorce with douchebag Kevin Federline; her spiraling into craziness and becoming the laughing stock of the country? And don't even get me started on the Jonases and their purity rings. :roll:

Disney Duster wrote:Goliath, there's is no possible way that Billy Ray approved everything, like he was some CEO at Disney. Miley slipped things (stripper pole) right by Disney, of course any of his daughters could slip things by him. Until you show me proof you know exactly what happened, I can offer a different possible option for what happened.
So you actually believe a nine year old designed clothing meant to sexualize little girls of her age... all by herself? And that papa Cyrus didn't know anything about it?!

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Goliath wrote:Really? Christina Aguilera in 'Dirrrrty'? Britney Spears shaving her head; showing off her pussy while going out with good-for-nothing airhead Paris Hilton; nasty divorce with douchebag Kevin Federline; her spiraling into craziness and becoming the laughing stock of the country? And don't even get me started on the Jonases and their purity rings. :roll:
I never pegged you as the type to trust tabloid fodder. :P

The only bad thing I see here is Britney Spears. Even if all the nonsense written about her is true, she's clearly the exception, not the rule. Most everyone else who's come out of Disney has either done well or faded away without any consequences.
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If you really believe that, I hope you don't open everything you receive in email, because you are clearly 100% Gullible to the Max.
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I'm serious--nothing bad has happened to these people! I just don't get where the uproar comes from. :?
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