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Patrick wrote:I'm kind of torn about this. As much as I like animation films like Up and How to Train Your Dragon, I already feel as if they have a formula. The humor in CG animation has been the same ever since Shrek has come out.. and while that's funny, it's already getting old. Not to say I think Disney will only being doing films like that, but I hope that isn't where everything is going. Disney's movies have lost that "classical" feel and been replaced with quick humor and sassy sidekicks. I hope there will be a time sooner rather than later that Disney can return to a more serious film with short bursts of comic relief. And of course, make a really nice happy ending princess flick.
What on earth does that mean?

Unless you are able to define what type of humour now pervades through all animation, that's a ridiculous statement. Humour getting old? I've never heard a more ill-informed opinion in my life. It's not like they are telling knock-knock jokes or your-momma jokes. I guess wit and slapstick are so over the hill aren't they?

Classical feel equates to better humour does it? A more serious film with short bursts of comic relief? Short bursts...sounds like quick humour to me. The sassy sidekick is as welcome as ever, unless you'd rather nondescript yes-man bores. Not that Disney has ever had those either.

This just comes off as one of those people longing for the old days and refuses to acknowledge that other movies, studios and people have done better.

Disney Duster is such a caricature, why does anyone bother responding to him?

And on the now refuted article itself; Disney trying to appeal to everyone is misinformed since they end up trying to target young boys, which is dumb. There's nothing wrong with trying to go for a specific demographic but first and foremost you have to make a good movie since a good movie generally transcends those specified demographics anyway. I find it quite disconcerting though that apparent industry heads think that Bratz among other things is a good influence on young girls.

Excuse me, but, our 'culture' these days is so devoid of any. Girls want to be 'hot', are you kidding? This kind of mentality is worrying because it's idiotic, superficial and shallow. Instead of trying to encourage girls to be slutty, anorexic ditzes, Disney, of all studios, should be trying to reverse that with strong female characters (since Pixar seems to be so afraid of approaching that). I actually wouldn't mind if they go away from their infamous princess movies because yes, one thing the article has right, is the fact that girls don't want to be princesses anymore. Not, when being a princess means lying in a bed being useless waiting for their dear prince to come.

With equality and independence, the modern woman should or is a strong character by herself so that should be reflected in the movies. Disney have done this well though as none of the Renaissance films nor PATF or Tangled have painted the damsel in distress that the earlier princess films had and not to say that those sucked because like the controversial Fantasia, they were a product of their time.

Honestly there is just too much emphasis on males. Not that I mind, seeing as I am male, but there is almost a stigma from having a female lead. It is once again a product of our times with most blockbusters having exactly that a leading man, from superheroes to Bond, Pirates, Transformers etc. Animation has also been a proponent of that when the two biggest studios of recent years have male lead after male lead. Yes, there are strong female characters in each movie but there hasn't been a lead. The whole let's play up Flynn Rider and down Rapunzel is idiotic IMO because it conforms to this.

As others have said, instead of imitation they should encourage creation. Whilst I still have faith in Catmull and Lasseter, Bolt was in no way much more creative than American Dog and it was basically Toy Story with a dog. So, when they say they encourage creativity let's hope they mean it because nonsense like Reboot Ralph sound pathetic. Speaking about demographics, who would want to see that? It sounds more of an idea for a short. Hell, it plays with the same old Toy Story Woody inferiority theme again. I do hope Brave is true to source and that it's not tarnished by the director change in an effort to make it more manly. I also hope it's a hit.

Lastly, whilst I initially wished badly for Tangled, seeing as it is a good movie, not that I have seen it, makes me change my mind. I never liked the basic acceptance of changing the name and maybe the story for the target audience (boys) but it's nice to know they have a hit once again. It just doesn't sit well with me because it makes the corporates think that 'We must target boys more often' since it worked here and didn't with PATF. Fact of the matter is, I think it's just got older girls, couples, families and others who probably view hand-drawn as old and inferior. Little boys are still not going to see it in droves, or at least not initially. That's the problem with Disney now, they are always looking for a quick buck and are short-sighted. They pander to the lowest common denominator with many of their live action movies and continue to limit creativity and potential with 'must be G/PG/family friendly only' or 'must attract widespread audience'. Neither of the two are bad per se, but how they go about doing it is when to them widespread audience means all the guys seeing Transformers and family friendly means potty jokes. Good films are not held back by such limitations and ironically of course when you make a good film you make more money in the long run than the quick buck both financially and the invaluable critically.

Another reason why Disney has never won an Oscar, not that it's worth much nowadays, because they are too afraid to take risks that may potentially damage their reputation. What reputation I ask? It's been diluted for years now with Eisner, Iger, Ross etc. from movies to television. They should ignore the vocal minority of retard parents and OCD overly sensitive freaks.
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I don't know what to say except that I don't know why you all are so mad at me and that a lot of you are wrong about what I'm doing.

I think what is happening is that I say something and I think it covers what I mean, but then you don't get what I was saying, so I have to re-explain or explain more in-depth.

How I feel about Disney is very complicated. There's a balance to how Disney is. They changed the original tales a little bit, but not as much as they are doing today. They were for children but also for adults. They were realistic in ways but also fantasy in ways.

It's hard to explain everything I mean. I always think people will get it the first time. But I don't want to see Disney lose it's identity and not be Disney anymore. I loved them for the films they made in the past, if they don't make new films that are like the ones in their past, I don't even know how I can still like them.

But anyway, I think the only actual question to me left was from Wondy. Well, for one thing, the shorts are obviously a different kind of thing than the animated features. But basically I thought Walt reserved his animated features for more traditional, classical ways of doing things. That's why they're called Animated Classics. Telling the stories like they really happened, not saying "that was the one story, now here's the twisted update". They seemed...bigger, more...serious, heartfelt. And the other thinsg I mentioned
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BK wrote:
Patrick wrote:I'm kind of torn about this. As much as I like animation films like Up and How to Train Your Dragon, I already feel as if they have a formula. The humor in CG animation has been the same ever since Shrek has come out.. and while that's funny, it's already getting old. Not to say I think Disney will only being doing films like that, but I hope that isn't where everything is going. Disney's movies have lost that "classical" feel and been replaced with quick humor and sassy sidekicks. I hope there will be a time sooner rather than later that Disney can return to a more serious film with short bursts of comic relief. And of course, make a really nice happy ending princess flick.
What on earth does that mean?

Unless you are able to define what type of humour now pervades through all animation, that's a ridiculous statement. Humour getting old? I've never heard a more ill-informed opinion in my life. It's not like they are telling knock-knock jokes or your-momma jokes. I guess wit and slapstick are so over the hill aren't they?

Classical feel equates to better humour does it? A more serious film with short bursts of comic relief? Short bursts...sounds like quick humour to me. The sassy sidekick is as welcome as ever, unless you'd rather nondescript yes-man bores. Not that Disney has ever had those either.

This just comes off as one of those people longing for the old days and refuses to acknowledge that other movies, studios and people have done better.
And this comes across as a really angry Pixar fanboy. :lol:
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Disney's Divinity wrote:
BK wrote: What on earth does that mean?

Unless you are able to define what type of humour now pervades through all animation, that's a ridiculous statement. Humour getting old? I've never heard a more ill-informed opinion in my life. It's not like they are telling knock-knock jokes or your-momma jokes. I guess wit and slapstick are so over the hill aren't they?

Classical feel equates to better humour does it? A more serious film with short bursts of comic relief? Short bursts...sounds like quick humour to me. The sassy sidekick is as welcome as ever, unless you'd rather nondescript yes-man bores. Not that Disney has ever had those either.

This just comes off as one of those people longing for the old days and refuses to acknowledge that other movies, studios and people have done better.
And this comes across as a really angry Pixar fanboy. :lol:
Hahaha seriously. Chillax.
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BK wrote: What on earth does that mean?

Unless you are able to define what type of humour now pervades through all animation, that's a ridiculous statement. Humour getting old? I've never heard a more ill-informed opinion in my life. It's not like they are telling knock-knock jokes or your-momma jokes. I guess wit and slapstick are so over the hill aren't they?

Classical feel equates to better humour does it? A more serious film with short bursts of comic relief? Short bursts...sounds like quick humour to me. The sassy sidekick is as welcome as ever, unless you'd rather nondescript yes-man bores. Not that Disney has ever had those either.

This just comes off as one of those people longing for the old days and refuses to acknowledge that other movies, studios and people have done better.
And this comes across as a really angry Pixar fanboy. :lol:
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It was just a sweeping statement that deserved to be attacked.
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Disney Duster wrote: >>It's hard to explain everything I mean. I always think people will get it the first time. But I don't want to see Disney lose it's identity and not be Disney anymore. I loved them for the films they made in the past, if they don't make new films that are like the ones in their past, I don't even know how I can still like them.<<

Disney Duster, don't worry, you're love for traditional Walt Disney films and themes is shared by a large portion of the public and you have articulated your passion very clearly. Tune out aggressive pro-change posts and stick to what you enjoy! Hopefully, execs will wise up and the studio will be able to make new kinds of movies while still keeping true to Walt's legacy. These goals (and film slates) needn't be mutually exclusive.
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Super Aurora wrote:As for rest of you arguments, I'm going to leave that for Goliath to do since I'm a lazy bum. Goliath is like my debating robot when I'm lazy.
Okay, but that's gonna cost you, my friend! I expect some Larissa Riquelme pictures or some other 'material' in my PM, or else I'm not debating anything... :twisted:

BK wrote:What on earth does that mean?

Unless you are able to define what type of humour now pervades through all animation, that's a ridiculous statement. Humour getting old? I've never heard a more ill-informed opinion in my life. [...]

This just comes off as one of those people longing for the old days and refuses to acknowledge that other movies, studios and people have done better.

Disney Duster is such a caricature, why does anyone bother responding to him? [...]
Not that I necessarily agree with you on all this, but... that was awesome! You have already earned my respect! It's like reading one of my own posts. :D
BK wrote:Excuse me, but, our 'culture' these days is so devoid of any. Girls want to be 'hot', are you kidding? This kind of mentality is worrying because it's idiotic, superficial and shallow. Instead of trying to encourage girls to be slutty, anorexic ditzes, Disney, of all studios, should be trying to reverse that with strong female characters (since Pixar seems to be so afraid of approaching that). [...]

That's the problem with Disney now, they are always looking for a quick buck and are short-sighted. They pander to the lowest common denominator with many of their live action movies and continue to limit creativity and potential with 'must be G/PG/family friendly only' or 'must attract widespread audience'. Neither of the two are bad per se, but how they go about doing it is when to them widespread audience means all the guys seeing Transformers and family friendly means potty jokes. Good films are not held back by such limitations and ironically of course when you make a good film you make more money in the long run than the quick buck both financially and the invaluable critically.

Another reason why Disney has never won an Oscar, not that it's worth much nowadays, because they are too afraid to take risks that may potentially damage their reputation. What reputation I ask? It's been diluted for years now with Eisner, Iger, Ross etc. from movies to television. They should ignore the vocal minority of retard parents and OCD overly sensitive freaks.
Okay, I agree with *that*!

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Bravo, well said! You certainly pull no punches!

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Super Aurora wrote:As for rest of you arguments, I'm going to leave that for Goliath to do since I'm a lazy bum. Goliath is like my debating robot when I'm lazy.
Okay, but that's gonna cost you, my friend! I expect some Larissa Riquelme pictures or some other 'material' in my PM, or else I'm not debating anything... :twisted:
Forget her. I could provide you something even better like Keeley Hazell or Jasmine Sinclair. My porn library(both real life and anime) is immense.
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Super Aurora wrote:Forget her. I could provide you something even better like Keeley Hazell or Jasmine Sinclair. My porn library(both real life and anime) is immense.
I haven't even heard of them. But hey, you're the expert... :P
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merlinjones wrote:Disney Duster, don't worry, you're love for traditional Walt Disney films and themes is shared by a large portion of the public and you have articulated your passion very clearly. Tune out aggressive pro-change posts and stick to what you enjoy! Hopefully, execs will wise up and the studio will be able to make new kinds of movies while still keeping true to Walt's legacy. These goals (and film slates) needn't be mutually exclusive.
We're not aggressively pro-change I just think a company cannot move forward if it clings to the past. We would all love the success of Walt's day to return but times have changed, the industry has changed and Disney has changed. As I've said in the past, I think the right people are in charge now and I liked Princess and the Frog enough for me to have hope for the future. To me, it is simply not viable to have the "what would Walt have done" mindset so long after his death but I definitely share Disney Duster's admiration for the man and his achievements.
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BK, you were very mean to me and others. The ironic thing is, a lot of the points you brought up, I agree on. So if you say such mean things about me and the others, they also apply to you. All that you said, all the names you called us. They are on you, too.

DisneyAnimation, what we want is for Disney to move ahead and do new, different, original things...but with some kind of traditional way kept, with the Disney essence kept, looking at older films as examples.
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I haven't seen Tangled as it isn't released in Britain until next year, but several of the reviews I've read of the film have commended it for paying homage to the history and tradition of Disney. So, if there is an ounce of truth in that, aren't Disney doing what you believe they should?
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That's very good, and right about a lot.

But what it is is it seems Tangled has perhaps a small amount of Disney tradition/essence, with things that are clearly not. It's like Disney not being original, but Disney being not Dinsey.

It is just that Walt Disney gave over 11 examples of what to do with the titles of Disney films when adapted from literature, and he gave 3 examples of what to do with Disney fairy tale films. They kept those traditions for a while, and then they decided to be very un-Disney with them with The Princess and the Frog and about half-Disney with them with Tangled.

I'm seeing Tangled this week, and I'm sure it's going to have some classic Disney elements...and then some dissapointing non-Disney elements, starting with the title, the character's backgrounds being changed, the rock music, and so on...
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BK wrote:
Patrick wrote:I'm kind of torn about this. As much as I like animation films like Up and How to Train Your Dragon, I already feel as if they have a formula. The humor in CG animation has been the same ever since Shrek has come out.. and while that's funny, it's already getting old. Not to say I think Disney will only being doing films like that, but I hope that isn't where everything is going. Disney's movies have lost that "classical" feel and been replaced with quick humor and sassy sidekicks. I hope there will be a time sooner rather than later that Disney can return to a more serious film with short bursts of comic relief. And of course, make a really nice happy ending princess flick.
What on earth does that mean?

Unless you are able to define what type of humour now pervades through all animation, that's a ridiculous statement. Humour getting old? I've never heard a more ill-informed opinion in my life. It's not like they are telling knock-knock jokes or your-momma jokes. I guess wit and slapstick are so over the hill aren't they?

Classical feel equates to better humour does it? A more serious film with short bursts of comic relief? Short bursts...sounds like quick humour to me. The sassy sidekick is as welcome as ever, unless you'd rather nondescript yes-man bores. Not that Disney has ever had those either.

This just comes off as one of those people longing for the old days and refuses to acknowledge that other movies, studios and people have done better.
I'm not really sure who pissed in your cheerios, but I definitely don't see where all the anger is coming from. I could string together a few words to make you seem like a douchebag too but I'll pass.

I didn't mean to condemn Disney, Pixar or Dreamworks - I was simply saying that I feel like there is a certain expectation attached to them in terms their humor. It seems more and more CG films have this underlying set of jokes and cultural references that only an older crowd would understand. There was a time in animation when that wasn't necessary to bring in an audience. It's not that I don't like these films, it's not that I feel like they should stop making them, but yes I do wish there were some that evaded this formula. An animated film shouldn't have to be laugh-out-loud funny to be good. Whether you agree or not, you don't have to act so condescending. And for the record, "wit" isn't a daft donkey, a sarcastic teenager, a loud mouthed green monster, a dim witted pick-up truck or a dog that speaks.
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Disney Duster wrote: I'm seeing Tangled this week, and I'm sure it's going to have some classic Disney elements...and then some dissapointing non-Disney elements, starting with the title, the character's backgrounds being changed, the rock music, and so on...
The "rock music" was only one song and frankly, it wasn't any more jarring than "Under the Sea" or "You've Got a Friend in Me". I loved the music in Tangled. I agree that it was not the finest that Menken ever wrote, but it wasn't grating and every song helped to tell the story.

As far as the character's backgrounds being changed in Disney movies, I think this has happened a lot - and not just recently. Some of the changed I think have made for more interesting stories. For instance, I don't believe the mermaid had a name in Hans Christian Andersen's story, and certainly there was no sidekick crab.

I read Beauty and the Beast before Disney's movie came out. From what I remember, her name was "Beauty" not "Belle", I believe she had 2 sisters and her father was a merchant, not an inventor. There was no Gaston.

The original setting for the story for Aladdin was China, not Arabia.

Perhaps Walt Disney himself would not have approved of any of the above changes, but I don't think anyone can say definitively that he would or wouldn't have approved of these. It's all just speculation. Personally, I think he would have been in favor of whatever told a good story.

And, there were changes made to original stories even during Walt's days. For instance in T.H. White's Sword in the Stone, Merlin was awe-inspiring/fearsome, but in Disney's version he's kind of a bumbling oaf. Alice in Wonderland was an amalgamation of two books.

As for Tangled my recommendation is to go into it with an open mind. I didn't have high hopes for it, but I absolutely loved it. Almost as much as Beauty and the Beast. Dare I say that left feeling like I had experienced the Disney "essence"? You might just be surprised.

Honestly, the only thing I don't like about Tangled is the name. I think the name is stupid and unimaginitive, but I still think it is a great film, regardless of what it is is called.
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Disney Duster wrote:I'm seeing Tangled this week, and I'm sure it's going to have some classic Disney elements...and then some dissapointing non-Disney elements, starting with the title, the character's backgrounds being changed, the rock music, and so on...
There is no rock music in Tangled. Not sure where you're getting that from.
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That was very good, but unfortunately you have brought up things that I have addressed before.

Nevertheless, here goes.

First, I am unsure about "Under the Sea". I think it may be okay though because I think in the place that Sebastian would apparently have come from, they actually did have instruments like that in whatever culture that was. But the whole under the sea fantasy nature helps, too.

For "Never Had a Friend Like Me", the genie is a mysterious cosmicly powerful being who knows of the future, so anything he does or references or are in his songs that have futuristic elements make sense.

The only excuse I can think of for Tangled's first song is that mayb the electric guitar rock is from...some kind of magical fairy tale accompaniment or in Rapunzel's head, but how could she come up with that sound in her head and why would the magical accompaniment be like that. Basically, it doesn't make nearly as much sense as the other two songs you mentioned.

Giving a name to a character and a sidekick is not what I was arguing against! Those things are fine as long as the sidekick make sense (I actually am unsur about Pascal the chameleon in Tangled but someone said it was possible chameleons were brought to the kingdom Rapunzel was in).

The original tale of Beauty and the Beast was French, meaning Beauty's name was originally Belle. You are right that her sisters (different versions give different numbers of sisters) were removed, and that bugs me, but the book said her sisters were after handsome suitors and that seems to be Gaston and the three girls who fawn over him. A merchant changed to an inventor is not too big a change because they both make and sell things.

When I was talking about the changes in backgrounds for the characters of Tangled, I meant they were BIG changes. Rapunzel was changed from a peasant to a princess with her father and mother the King and Queen of the whole kingdom! The Prince was changed to...a theiving, wanted bandit! I also don't like Mother Gothel being changed from a witch with a garden to an ordinary woman who is only sort-of like a witch, but that one is more okay with me.

The reason Aladdin's change to Arabia makes sense is because that tale was part of the Arabian nights and the clothes and designs of the characters didn't change because of the change of setting. It just fits. Also, Agrabah is an imagined place, which fits with how these are imagined characters. Rapunzel should be set in Germany, but as long as it's not a specific place and just an imaginary European kingdom, that's ok.

As for the other changes, they just don't bother me or seem to pertain to the kinds of changes I was talking about.

We are unsure over how much Walt would have approved these days, but at least I think we can agree on one thing. He wouldn't have changed it as BIG and as much as they did, and certainly not to that awful title!
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RyGuy wrote:The original setting for the story for Aladdin was China, not Arabia.
Disney Duster wrote:The reason Aladdin's change to Arabia makes sense is because that tale was part of the Arabian nights and the clothes and designs of the characters didn't change because of the change of setting. It just fits. Also, Agrabah is an imagined place, which fits with how these are imagined characters.
About that, I think the reason why Aladdin's setting was changed was because although the story was set in China, it was in some sort of weird, mythical, Islamic China that never existed. You could set the story anywhere else in the Medieval Islamic world, lose nothing, and have it make just as much sense. Or they could have set it in "Agrabah" because the audience would be more use to Aladdin as a Middle Eastern story than a Chinese story.
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Disney Duster wrote: First, I am unsure about "Under the Sea". I think it may be okay though because I think in the place that Sebastian would apparently have come from, they actually did have instruments like that in whatever culture that was. But the whole under the sea fantasy nature helps, too.

For "Never Had a Friend Like Me", the genie is a mysterious cosmicly powerful being who knows of the future, so anything he does or references or are in his songs that have futuristic elements make sense.

The only excuse I can think of for Tangled's first song is that mayb the electric guitar rock is from...some kind of magical fairy tale accompaniment or in Rapunzel's head, but how could she come up with that sound in her head and why would the magical accompaniment be like that. Basically, it doesn't make nearly as much sense as the other two songs you mentioned.
I don't know if you watched any of the songs on youtube or such, but the songs don't stick out like a sore thumb like you're proabably thinking. I will say that the songs isn't as impactful, but for this story, it really didn't need it and it still work and was a fine movie. I think you'll like this movie.
The rock music isn't really rock in the standard image idea of it. It was slightly implicated and only little bits here and there. Over all, they song like a musical to me.
I do like the song I See the Light. very beautiful song in a beautiful setting and atmosphere.
Disney Duster wrote: (I actually am unsur about Pascal the chameleon in Tangled but someone said it was possible chameleons were brought to the kingdom Rapunzel was in).
I'm not sure where this kingdom take place but I will confirm that there are chameleons that do inhabit the mediterrean coasts of Europe like Spain, Greece, etc. They're not as prominat as ones in Africa and Saudi Arabia.

Though the point of Pascal as Rapunzel's buddy is the "artistic" and colors usage theme.

Disney Duster wrote: When I was talking about the changes in backgrounds for the characters of Tangled, I meant they were BIG changes. Rapunzel was changed from a peasant to a princess with her father and mother the King and Queen of the whole kingdom! The Prince was changed to...a theiving, wanted bandit! I also don't like Mother Gothel being changed from a witch with a garden to an ordinary woman who is only sort-of like a witch, but that one is more okay with me.
Overall core of the story is the same though.

All they did actually is reverse the medeviel status of Rapunzel(born from rich wealthy family instead of commoner) and Flynn(born a commoner that grew up be a theif instead of royalty). The main concept of the story- A girl with magical long hair is in captivity of a old woman in a very very tall tower and a young man comes and save her life.

And besides Flynn becomes a prince anyway at the end.

A bigger radical change you may be refering to that you detest is something like Treasure Planet. Since I saw Rapunzel/Tangle, I can assure you that Rapunzel is not like that.
Disney Duster wrote: The reason Aladdin's change to Arabia makes sense is because that tale was part of the Arabian nights and the clothes and designs of the characters didn't change because of the change of setting. It just fits. Also, Agrabah is an imagined place, which fits with how these are imagined characters.
Yeah that was really why they did it. Although in original story it was set in china, the names and the setting was very islamic. But main point people were trying to say is that Aladdin did have a setting change yet it retain main core of the story. Tangled/Rapunzel is same way, although few changes, the overall core and idea of the story is the same.
Disney Duster wrote: Rapunzel should be set in Germany, but as long as it's not a specific place and just an imaginary European kingdom, that's ok.
the movie doesn't say exactly, but I'd imagine it's a fictional one since the kingdom is setted on an island.

Disney Duster wrote: We are unsure over how much Walt would have approved these days, but at least I think we can agree on one thing. He wouldn't have changed it as BIG and as much as they did,
Except he has and that was Jungle book. Even told people not to read original book. Besides Rapunzel doesn't fall under BIG radical change either so there is nothing to stress over.
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Now for something completely different. I found a link to an interview with Alan Menken from November 24th (so, just before the Tangled opening), and there was a question about the Snow Queen project. Not sure if this has been posted anywhere already, but anyway... I thought it would be relevant to this thread:

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2010/11/24/a ... n-tangled/
Do you still have plans for bringing a hand-drawn animated version of Hans Christian Andersen’s The Snow Queen to the big screen?
It’s on the shelf. We had actually written that to be a live stage show at the Tokyo DisneySea park. John Weidman wrote the book, and Glenn Slater and I did the music and lyrics. It turned out to be a bit expensive, and then it was picked up as a possible animated film. In the aftermath of The Princess and the Frog, it was put aside. It’s not an easy story to tell, to be honest. It may yet come back, though. If Tangled does well, maybe we can revisit it. Whether that will open the door to hand-drawn 2-D animation, that’s a question I couldn’t answer. Everybody is so tickled by the possibilities of CGI. That’s where everyone wants to put their energy right now, including even many former hand-drawn animators. I think prior to Tangled coming out, there’s been a lot of reevaluation at Disney: What do we want to do? What does this company stand for? And probably after Tangled there will be a re-reevaluation. Right now, I’m just thankful that they’re giving me something to keep me from being swallowed up by Broadway.
With the apparant success of Tangled, it might not be too farfetched to see them starting this up again. Though I do get the impression that they're leaning more towards CG animation, which would be a shame if true.
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