The Little Mermaid:Ariel's Beginning Discussion Thread Vol.3

[UmbrellaFish]

Marina and Scuttle

Oh my God, that's funny! This may be TLM's "Enchanted" afterall!

[Disney Live On]

Wow there have been so many clips for this movie!
lol. It is so hard to resist watching them. As usual I gave in. I love that opening scene... I only think they prolonged the actual crash. We should have seen it coming and then seen the ship crash. The extra shot of her gasp was anooying. What could have been dramatic might have been if she saved her daughter and then her own tail got caught and sadly she could not move the rock alone.

Also I had to see Scuttle in this film. So funny. Weirdly put together but funny. I love Sally Fields but her singing is not quite up to snuff.

Overall really excited for this title.

[Vermin Friends]

Why don't you listen to me?

Actually yes I did see that, what I mean is go more in depth, what made it so powerful? Anybody can write just one line like that. Look at my post where I reviewed the first five minutes, or even Sirens we both went and said more than just "wow great film" or "it's a really poweful introduction".

Apparently it's too much to ask for people to extrapolate these days and by the way I find it ironic your saying I don't listen to you since I feel as though your not really listenting to me, more like you sitting there going "oh there he goes again just nod my head and then continue on" I may have said negative things about what I've seen so far but I've been honest and I have shown some positiveness towards the film.

Fine- you want the truth?

Although I agree with Siren for the most part, I also really agree with pap64's contradiction- in saying that although it seemed stupid for Athena to have tried to save the music box rather than saving herself, because of what the music box represented.

I do, however, agree with Siren's other complaint about them taking all the merpeople's instruments, killing Athena, and then crashing into a rock. I think that might have just been added to get rid of the possibility of exposure of the merpeople, though.

I see what JDCB1986 meant about horrible CGI on the music box. It looks unfinished and out of place. And she dies to save a music box? That's like a mother dying to grab a ring. Seriously that was really stupid. It started off well enough. Though 5 minutes was not enough for me to get emotionally attached to Athena. 15 minutes would have been better for an intro to Athena. 5 minutes was not enough. Seriously, I don't feel anything about her dying. Mufasa's death was sad. Bambi's mother's dead was traumatic. This felt like, "You stupid **** your daughters are safe, get down to them and console them!"
If she was only saving her daughter and not some little box, that is a major sacrifice. Similar as to how Bambi's mom dies. But her kids are safe and she lingers to get a box. I for one am disappointed in the writers. And WTF did the ship crash in the first place? They take the loot and crash their ship? Did they not see the gigantic rocks out of the water? These are pirates...sea-faring men who should know how to steer a boat. And they run straight into a rock with Athena there and she essentially becomes roadkill...or boatkill? Not sure what you would call it.

Now, the fact she killed herself grabbing the music box, explains pretty well why Triton hates music and tosses the box. His wife died to get the very thing he gave to her and in a way, he feels guilty because of it. Even though its her own damn fault she's dead. I just had visions of her risking her life to save her daughters. She saved one of her daughters, but didn't risk her life till she went for a damn music box.

Hate me all you want for being so sacrilegious, but as a parent myself, if my daughter is safe, I don't give a damn about the safety of monetary things. That is like a car is about to hit your kid and you pull them out of the way, but drop your cell phone and you run back in front of the car to get it.

I agree with you completely, but here's how I see this (note: I haven't seen the movie):

Humans have the tendency to really value material objects. Most of their time its because of monetary value (It costs a fortune!), but many times its because of the moral and human value. Or to put it simply, that article represents that person's memories, life and even accomplishments, wishes and dreams.

When something holds that much value people WILL go as far as to risk their lives to save it.

In Athena's case, that music box represents her love for King Triton and the daughters that were born out of that relationship. It encases everything she cherishes in her life and might mean something to her daughters when they grow older, or could even become an heirloom that symbolizes the love that grew out of their family.

If you think about this, maybe that's why Athena risked her life to save the music box.

Again, I do agree that no one should risk their lives for a material possession, and that it would have been more significant had it been Ariel the one in danger.

I also agree with Disney Live On:

I only think they prolonged the actual crash. We should have seen it coming and then seen the ship crash. The extra shot of her gasp was anooying. What could have been dramatic might have been if she saved her daughter and then her own tail got caught and sadly she could not move the rock alone.

It was rather unnecessary (especially her gasp), but it is hinted that it was slowed down, since it goes frame-by-frame.

I also would've liked Disney Live On's idea of how Athena might have been killed- very similar to the shipwreck scene in TLM, where Eric goes back to save Max but ends up getting caught himself, and soon after, the ship explodes.

Is that honest enough?

I also wanted to thank WillytheDino for uploading "Just One Mistake", it's so great to finally see the full song (especially Scuttle's cameo), but that's all I'm saying, just incase I might sound too positive for some people.

[Disney Live On]

Out of interest, sorry but I cant remember who posted 'One Mistake' could you post the other songs on You tube. aka. The full I Remeber and the finale song: I Will Sing. Id love to hear them.

PS: Sorry I forget your user name. Ill make it up to you.

[Kyle]

I saw it earlier today, and ugghh. horrible. others have already said everything I would need to say, so I wont go into too much detail.

the crash was especially stupid. ships, primitive ones like that at least dont even go that fast as far as I know. they should have seen the ship coming a mile away, giving her plenty of time to move out of the way. and as mentioned, why the heck did the ship crash in the first place?

the plot was as lame as I feared it would be.

sabastian was way out of character and anoyingly so.

it makes no sense to save a gift you just revieced 10 seconds ago. how emotionally attatched can you possible be to something that soon?

the animation was very poor. I usually try to avoid disney cheapqels. amd this reminds me why. by compairison even brother bear 2 was better animated. Lion King 1/2 blows it out of the water (no pun intended)


maybe its the whole human thing that disney cant handle on a budget, but if thats the case they shouldnt even bother. I think I'd rather watch a few eps of the mermaid animated series before watching this again.
tritron for example never looked like he had any mass to him. instead of this muscle guy he's supposed to be, he looks like a blobby mess. those cheap shadow maps make it even worse. and one thing that bother me throught the film was how they didnt seem to know how to draw tails properly.
they could use another look at the original model sheets for refference.


instead of the wedge shape they often drew them as tubes that tapered off, like cones. which looks so stupid.


Im curious, does anyone know what this animation studio has done in the past? I love the one that did the lion king 1/2 as I touched on already, they were austrailin based, but thats I know. they should let those guys handle this. (assuming they didnt) I believe Eisner shut them down before mermaid happened anyway.

Im glad we're finally done with these sequels.

[supertalies]

the other songs on You tube. aka. The full I Remeber and the finale song: I Will Sing. Id love to hear them.

If you put all the clips you already have of I Remember together (from youtube), you can see the whole song. You only miss one 'La'.

[Disney Live On]

Oh. lol. Ok.
But I havent heard any of I will sing so if you only have time to put one up that would be the one id like most of all Thanks heaps.

[Disney Duster]

Everyone's spoiling everything, I have to avoid, avoid, avoid. I'm really worried about Ursula-related surprises, but I'm hoping all those illegal, or non-DVD viewings of this film before it's supposed to come out, just don't have the Ursula stuff. Yes, I'm desperate.

Anyway, Vermin Friends, I talked to an animation expert, and he said that often in the original Disney classics, characters would move every 2 frames instead of every frame, when they're slow or "normal", then every frame when they're faster. So I watched my favorite film, Cinderella, and indeed, she moved every 2 frames for a while, but when she span past the fairy godmother, she moved every frame, faster, while her godmother moved ever 2 frames, slower.

Oh, and I didn't see the first 5 mins, but that mermaid who jumps out of the water isn't Ariel? We were right, everyone else was so wrong! BOOYAH!

[Ariel'sprince]

DELETED SCENES!!!!!!!:
http://www.movieweb.com/video/V08H6jkquwFHNP

[gumby17]

NEW VIDEO of Ariel and her sisters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urdpCgZVbmA

[Juuchan17]

I have to comment on the "Just One Mistake" scene . . .

XD I laughed so hard at this. Sally Field (who not only voices Marina Del Ray, but also sings as her) must have been having a ball while doing this, because I know I enjoyed it.

And yes, I'm agreeing with UmbrellaFish - this is TLM's "Enchanted" . . . mainly since I see so many parodies/spoofs/etc on the TLM-universe here . . .

I think I'll skip any more new clips now. I'm quite satisfied and I'm awaiting the official release in . . . *gasp* four days!

(BTW, I think someone made a thread, saying the re-release of TLM2 in Dec. 9th. YAY for trilogies!)

- Juuchan17

[brownpuppy]

I want you guys to take a look at my video tribute I made for TLM: Ariel's Beginning. I wanted to make it so soft and quiet with good piano music. Tell me what you think about it.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dQUwd68pEeo

[Old Fish Tale]

Nice work, Brown Puppy!

New stills! Click here!

[UmbrellaFish]

I finally watched the first five minutes. I found the animation gorgeous, those pretty colors, and the fluidity. I had guessed that Athena wasn't as Ariel-cloneish as everyonwe else from the beginning, and I think I was right. They definitely look alike, but they're not the same, especially around the nose, eyes, and mouth.

DisneyDuster, those screencaps of animation you posted awhile ago to prove that the animation was bad really scared me, but to be honest, even if it's like that, it's doesn't seem that noticeable in the film. And I can live with that.

I understood why Athena went back for the music box. It represented her love for Triton, which makes how she died really sad. Didn't quite like the extra gasping scene either, nor the way the ship crashed, but once again, I can live with that.

I also just watched all of "Just One Mistake". Marina seems better than Morgana, and while below Ursula, pretty darn funny though. I was laughing the entire time.

From what I've seen so far, this proves to be a pretty good movie, and August 26th can't come any quicker. Now I know this movie will cheer me up, it just did. I was angry, really mad. But when I played those clips, I smiled and laughed... I can't wait.

[WillytheDino]

I Will Sing

Enjoy!

[Siren]

I Will Sing

Enjoy!

Ummm...Triton doesn't know his left from his right

[Old Fish Tale]

What does that mean, Siren?

[Siren]

What does that mean, Siren?

Pay attention to what hand he is lifting when the fish says, "raise your right hand". HIS right hand is holding the trident. His left hand is being raised.

[Old Fish Tale]

You're right! How embarassing!

[Siren]

I think everyone can agree here...That was BAD animation. Think about it. HOW many people saw this clip in the process of making the film and no one noticed. I noticed it IMMEDIATELY and that was my first time seeing that clip. Sad, very sad.