Aurora, Damsel in Distress or Heroine?

[Someday...]

There's nothing helpless about sleeping.
Anyway this is just opinions.

sorry but,
being unconscious and unwillingly so, and unable to wake up seems pretty helpless to me

[Sailor Eric]

Someday...:
1.She is a hero in Enchanted Tales and Princess books and video games,did you saw Enchanted Tales?.
2.Damseles in distress are girls that get kidnapped every 5 seconds (and if you say it isn't then you don't know what a damsel in distress is),Aurora wasn't kidnaped and sleeping isn't kidnapting.
And again-it's just opinions.

A damsel in distress doesn't have to be kidnapped to be in distress, don't you think? A damsel can be in distress for many other dangers.
And Aurora was in danger all her life because she could fall into Maleficent's curse by getting pricked with the spindle wheel, so that makes her "distressed"; sure, she didn't know that she was under danger/distress, but the three good fairies sure did, as well as her parents and their kingdom. That's why her parents agreed to send her away, to keep her away from the danger of the curse. And what's worse, she DID fall into the curse! And because of that, she need to be saved from being asleep forever. Therefore, couldn't you agree that Aurora was a damsel in distress?
And if only Philip could save her from eternal sleep with true love's kiss, a kiss that in Aurora's case it had to be Philip, don't you think that makes him a hero (the type of hero that "saves the day")?
If Philip wasn't there, who would have killed Maleficent? Sure, he got a lot of help from the three good fairies, but if he wasn't there, do you think the three good fairies would have killed Maleficent? Would they have used the sword? I think they wouldn't have, they never did anything against Maleficent before. That is probably why they saved Philip from the dungeon, so that he could save Aurora. They also knew only Philip could save Aurora from the curse, because they learned that the man who Aurora fell in love with was, luckily, Prince Philip. And also, Philip went through a lot to save her with the kiss; he was so unlucky that Maleficent woke up! If that didn;t happen, he wouldn't have had to go through the forest of thorns or face Maleficent Dragon.

[Ariel'sprince]

There's nothing helpless about sleeping.
Anyway this is just opinions.

sorry but,
being unconscious and unwillingly so, and unable to wake up seems pretty helpless to me

What's so helpless about resting? and dreaming?.

[Someday...]

sorry but,
being unconscious and unwillingly so, and unable to wake up seems pretty helpless to me

What's so helpless about resting? and dreaming?.

nothing,
what seems helpless is being forcibly put to sleep, she is unable to wake up, she is "trapped" in her slumber

[Ariel'sprince]

Someday...:
1.She is a hero in Enchanted Tales and Princess books and video games,did you saw Enchanted Tales?.
2.Damseles in distress are girls that get kidnapped every 5 seconds (and if you say it isn't then you don't know what a damsel in distress is),Aurora wasn't kidnaped and sleeping isn't kidnapting.
And again-it's just opinions.

A damsel in distress doesn't have to be kidnapped to be in distress, don't you think? A damsel can be in distress for many other dangers.
And Aurora was in danger all her life because she could fall into Maleficent's curse by getting pricked with the spindle wheel, so that makes her "distressed"; sure, she didn't know that she was under danger/distress, but the three good fairies sure did, as well as her parents and their kingdom. That's why her parents agreed to send her away, to keep her away from the danger of the curse. And what's worse, she DID fall into the curse! And because of that, she need to be saved from being asleep forever. Therefore, couldn't you agree that Aurora was a damsel in distress?
And if only Philip could save her from eternal sleep with true love's kiss, a kiss that in Aurora's case it had to be Philip, don't you think that makes him a hero (the type of hero that "saves the day")?
If Philip wasn't there, who would have killed Maleficent? Sure, he got a lot of help from the three good fairies, but if he wasn't there, do you think the three good fairies would have killed Maleficent? Would they have used the sword? I think they wouldn't have, they never did anything against Maleficent before. That is probably why they saved Philip from the dungeon, so that he could save Aurora. They also knew only Philip could save Aurora from the curse, because they learned that the man who Aurora fell in love with was, luckily, Prince Philip. And also, Philip went through a lot to save her with the kiss; he was so unlucky that Maleficent woke up! If that didn;t happen, he wouldn't have had to go through the forest of thorns or face Maleficent Dragon.

A damsel needs to get kidnapped,and acorrding to you-every girl,no wait,everyone,are damsels in distress,everybody are in allways in danger,Aurora is not a damsel.
Someday-Maybe trapped but she's not suffering.

[Sailor Eric]

A damsel in distress doesn't have to be kidnapped to be in distress, don't you think? A damsel can be in distress for many other dangers.
And Aurora was in danger all her life because she could fall into Maleficent's curse by getting pricked with the spindle wheel, so that makes her "distressed"; sure, she didn't know that she was under danger/distress, but the three good fairies sure did, as well as her parents and their kingdom. That's why her parents agreed to send her away, to keep her away from the danger of the curse. And what's worse, she DID fall into the curse! And because of that, she need to be saved from being asleep forever. Therefore, couldn't you agree that Aurora was a damsel in distress?
And if only Philip could save her from eternal sleep with true love's kiss, a kiss that in Aurora's case it had to be Philip, don't you think that makes him a hero (the type of hero that "saves the day")?
If Philip wasn't there, who would have killed Maleficent? Sure, he got a lot of help from the three good fairies, but if he wasn't there, do you think the three good fairies would have killed Maleficent? Would they have used the sword? I think they wouldn't have, they never did anything against Maleficent before. That is probably why they saved Philip from the dungeon, so that he could save Aurora. They also knew only Philip could save Aurora from the curse, because they learned that the man who Aurora fell in love with was, luckily, Prince Philip. And also, Philip went through a lot to save her with the kiss; he was so unlucky that Maleficent woke up! If that didn;t happen, he wouldn't have had to go through the forest of thorns or face Maleficent Dragon.

A damsel needs to get kidnapped,and acorrding to you-every girl,no wait,everyone,are damsels in distress,everybody are in allways in danger,Aurora is not a damsel.
Someday-Maybe trapped but she's not suffering.

Where does it say that a damsel in distress HAS to be kidnapped? And also, I never said everyone was in danger, in my response I only said Aurora was in danger, after all, she had to be kept safe all her life so she wouldn't fall into the curse. The three good fairies and her parents and the many people of the kingdom knew she was in such danger. Why do you think all spinning wheels were burned up? Why do you think the King and Queen, even if they were sad, decided to give their daughter away? So that she would be safe from danger! And being in danger is having a distress.
And by the way, Aurora may not be suffering in her curse of eternal sleep, but she may as well be dead if she isn't saved. And she may not suffer, but her family would suffer if she were asleep forever! It would almost be like Aurora wouldn't exist! She'd be like decoration - just there.

[Disney Duster]

Chernabog_Rocks, really good post! By the way, is the contradiction that Merryweather turned Diablo (the raven) to stone? I wonder if maybe it's still Good because it was done "for good". But then again make Maleficent "a fat old hop toad" could be considered "for good". Tough one!

Magic Mirror, forgot about that cross on the sheild! It's already known that the prince reviving the princeses is like Jesus reviving humankind. Well, I'd like to think the fairies helping defeat Maleficent was making it more equal between the sexes because it's men and women fighting together, but whether Disney intended that or not is up in the air.

Thank you so much CJ, that made me feel terrific! And of course what you write is equally very thoughtful and considering, too.

I think a bit of a problem comes from seeing Phillip on a horse, with a shield and sword, swinging it around, and being the one we see in front of the dragon. That image just makes us think "hero". Maybe we don't pay attention to the fairies because they're small and do everything with magic, but the fairies are really doing a lot for or with Phillip. Does it matter if they're waving a wand or a sword? If you watch the scene where the sword goes into Maleficent, it's trailing the fairies' dust along with the sword, it shows that the two are working together.

Perhaps it's just that it's too easy for the fairies. Casting a powerful spell from afar makes it easier to fight than hitting or cutting or plunging with a sword. Or is it? Did the fairies have to learn magic? I doubt it, I think all fairies are supposed to be born magically inclined. And yet everyone notes how Phillip swings the sword around amateurly, he wasn't really doing much damage to Maleficent at all. So it could be more about metaphoric power. The fairies Good magic and Phillip's True Love defeated Maleficent.

Then again, Phillip's poor swordfighting could be blamed on the company still not being the best at animating the prince character and the actor for the live-action reference just didn't know swordfighting!

[Prudence]

Your basic damsel in distress. Philip and the Good Fairies were all the heroes of the movie.

Are you sure you know the basic damsel in distress? a damsel in distress is a girl (usually,a stupid one) that gets kidnapped every 5 seconds,Aurora fits? no? good,then she's not,but Phillip got KIDNAPPED AND RESCUED.

By the fairies who rescued him so he could rescue Aurora. My point remains.

Heh, I knew my little opinion would get lost in a cosmic battle of capslock and arguments.

[PeterPanfan]

Aurora also got KIDNAPPED AND RESCUED, if you payed attention to the movie.

CJ has offered many resources to check spelling. Please use them.

And a damsel in distress does not have to get kidnapped "every 5 seconds"!

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

What's so helpless about resting? and dreaming?.

What if she was having nightmares ?? ?? Trapped in an awful dream and unable to escape ?? ??

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Ariels Prince: Being asleep can be helpless, when your asleep you aren't able to defend yourself against anything unless you have super reflexes and can wake up out of a deep sleep in split second, which is doubtful. So yes, being asleep can be helpless, however it does depend on the situation. For example being at home on a typical night no your not going to be attacked therefore your not really helpless, however if anyone remembers the Nightmare On Elm St. movies (maybe Laz ) then being asleep does make you helpless.


Disney Duster: Thank you, it seems my post was lost among the jumble so I'm amazed anyone remembered it, never mind read it Yes, the contradiction I was referring to was about Diablo. To me, Diablo being turned to stone seemed so infinite, ,like there was no magical undo button for that otherwise Maleficent could have waved her arm and undone it. So it seems like the faeries saying "oh no we can't do anything bad with our magic" and then POOF turning something to stone seems a rather large contradiction. Now perhaps the spell was only meant as a temporary thing to help buy them more time, then that changes everything.

Disney Duster Part 2: Here's your elephant as promised

Prudence: Well, at least you didn't have a larger post lost like mine. I actually went back to find your point..........I'm still searching if you don't see me in two days send a rescue team

Ariels Prince Part 2: What makes you think a damsel in distress needs to be kidnapped every 5 seconds? I think that's what's causing the most confusion for people. If your referring to Daphne from Scooby-Doo who seemed to be captured every other episode then that's not the best example to go by, since she was known as Danger Prone Daphne, and was a bit clutzy I believe. Even then, she's more of a stereotyped Damsel I think.

[PeterPanfan]

Chernabog, whenever Ariel'sprince mentions damsels in distress I always think of Daphne!

[SwordInTheStone777]

PeterPanfan wrote:

I always think of Daphne!

Daphne isn't a damsel in distress, she's just incredibally danger pron and clumsy.

DID (Damsel In Distress) are Rapunzal, Snow White, Cinderella, ect...

being a sleep dosen't mean anything, so she's neither until she wakes up.

[Sailor Eric]

PeterPanfan wrote:

I always think of Daphne!

Daphne isn't a damsel in distress, she's just incredibally danger pron and clumsy.

DID (Damsel In Distress) are Rapunzal, Snow White, Cinderella, ect...

being a sleep dosen't mean anything, so she's neither until she wakes up.

What about having a curse cast upon you on your christening? Aurora was in danger of falling into the spell since she was a baby, and that's why she was sent away, to be safe from the danger of falling into the spell. What do you think about that?

[Super Aurora]

Aurora certainly is the HERO!

[Ariel'sprince]

Aurora wasn't kidnapped and she's a heroine,and damsels in distress are the girls that get kidnapet,saying that Aurora is a damsel in distress is like saying that a whale is a fish.
Anyway,i don't care what anyone thinks,i"ll allways think Aurora is the hero and she is the hero.

[TheSequelOfDisney]

Aurora wasn't kidnapped and she's a heroine,and damsels in distress are the girls that get kidnapet,saying that Aurora is a damsel in distress is like saying that a whale is a fish.

Actually, if you just look it up, damsels in distress do not have to be kidnapped. From Wikipedia, "She is usually a young, nubile woman placed in a dire predicament by a villain or a monster and who requires a hero to dash to her rescue." As you see, she doesn't have to be kidnapped or tied up, she just has to be held captive by a villain or monster until her hero comes. So, saying that Aurora is not the damsel in distress in Sleeping Beauty really doesn't make much sense. And yes, you are correct. A whale is not a fish.

Anyway,i don't care what anyone thinks,i"ll allways think Aurora is the hero and she is the hero.

This is a pretty sad excuse. First of all, you don't explain yourself and second of all, you didn't give any reason as to why we should listen to you, respect your comment, or believe you. If you want to get a point across, and one of the best ways of winning an argument, is support it with facts. Without facts you're just bobbing along without any rhyme or reason and just repeating yourself over and over until you get mad because we aren't listening to your poor excuses. If you don't care what anyone thinks, then you really don't need to be in this thread anymore because you have already pointed out, many times, what your opinion is. So, I suggest that instead of making excuses, try and find some facts about your topic, in this case "Is Aurora the Heroine or Damsel in Ditress?" and then restate your opinion and go into some depth. Your short and quite choppy sentences don't do well for arguments, or for personal converstations with fellow people. Honestly, if you work on your grammar, and the correct way of using it, I'm sure you wouldn't get so mad all the time.

-Seq

[Someday...]

being a sleep dosen't mean anything, so she's neither until she wakes up.

I've just started wondering, if she was asleep for longer than the one day the spell is "active" in the movie, what would have happened?
I mean, we know prince phillip is going to age until maleficent lets him out in 100 years- but what would happen to the castle and its inhabitants?
Would we get a rip van winkle effect, with everone aging, or would the people remain frozen in time in a crumbling castle (as in the older story, where all is good, even though sb is wearing "a dress that would have been worn by the princes great grandmother")

something for us to ponder I suppose

[Ariel'sprince]

Aurora is not a damsel in distress,she wasn't held capative she was just sleeping in her house (and it's Merryweather that made that spell and acorrding to Sleeping Beauty she had good dreams so she wasn't helpless),Phillip on the other hand was held capative,he's the damsel (or prince) in distress.
And so what? if Wikipedia whould say that a whale is a fish you whould believe them? in the same way,if Wikipedia said that a fish is a "sea creature that lives in the sea" and the same thing about a whale,whould you believe them? becouse it's exactly the same thing with Aurora.
Anyway,Aurora is hero,and Disney has kinds of character-the heroine (Aurora),the sidekicks (the fairies) and the hero (Phillip) so Aurora is the hero.

[Super Aurora]

Aurora is not a damsel in distress,she wasn't held capative she was just sleeping in her house (and it's Merryweather that made that spell and acorrding to Sleeping Beauty she had good dreams so she wasn't helpless),Phillip on the other hand was held capative,he's the damsel (or prince) in distress.
And so what? if Wikipedia whould say that a whale is a fish you whould believe them? in the same way,if Wikipedia said that a fish is a "sea creature that lives in the sea" and the same thing about a whale,whould you believe them? becouse it's exactly the same thing with Aurora.
Anyway,Aurora is hero,and Disney has kinds of character-the heroine (Aurora),the sidekicks (the fairies) and the hero (Phillip) so Aurora is the hero.

Man, you are repeating yourself like a whiny 5 year old. Reason you can't give good explanations to you're reasoning is because you are.......