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Batman [Begins] 2: 2 Villains
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Widdi
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Or Aaron Eckhart is really bad at playing dead lol. I hope he is still alive and we get a third movie heavily influenced by The Dark Victory.Siren wrote:OMFG....That was totally awesome!
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I don't think Harvey is dead. Unless they made a mistake, I saw his chest moving, he was breathing. I think Gordon and Batman helped him fake his death. Maybe have locked him away trying to get him help. But I know I saw his chest move. Its happened in movies before, that a "dead" person was still breathing, but its a comic book movie....heroes and villains rarely stay 100% dead.
And I know I'm in the minority, but I'd love to see Robin in the next one. Dick Grayson has an incredibly dark back-story that would fit so well into these movies; and if anyone can make Robin cool it is Chris Nolan.
These critics saying, "this is not a comic book movie" keeps pissing me off.
If they ever read a lick of a really good Batman comic, such as the ones this movie is based on, they would see the world of comics can be taken seriously. It just is a pet peeve of mine. The comics/graphic novels used for this movie are so spectacular on their own merit, but labeling the movie a "comic book movie" is some scarlet letter. If these critics actually read them sometime, they would see where this wonderfully written story and script came from in the first place...a comic book.
If they ever read a lick of a really good Batman comic, such as the ones this movie is based on, they would see the world of comics can be taken seriously. It just is a pet peeve of mine. The comics/graphic novels used for this movie are so spectacular on their own merit, but labeling the movie a "comic book movie" is some scarlet letter. If these critics actually read them sometime, they would see where this wonderfully written story and script came from in the first place...a comic book.
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So, I went with friends to see this at midnight at our local theater. I was really excited, because it was my first midnight movie. The movie starts, we're loving it, 45 mins into it the movie stops. The managers of the theater come in and tell us we have to evacuate the theater. Moments later I discovered it was due to a bomb threat. I was majorly pissed.
But we did get free tickets to come back whenever we wanted, and me and my friends went back yesterday afternoon and saw the whole thing and...
IT WAS AMAZING! I loved it! All the acting was excellent. Ledger was captivating. Caine, Freeman, and Oldman were all excellent as usual (not to mention Bale and Eckhart aren't the worst people to get constant close ups of
). And it was just awesome!
I am laughing though, because I was listening to the radio this morning, and one of the movie critics said "Gyllenhaal is better than Holmes, but they never explained why Rachel aged 15 years between films."
But we did get free tickets to come back whenever we wanted, and me and my friends went back yesterday afternoon and saw the whole thing and...
IT WAS AMAZING! I loved it! All the acting was excellent. Ledger was captivating. Caine, Freeman, and Oldman were all excellent as usual (not to mention Bale and Eckhart aren't the worst people to get constant close ups of
). And it was just awesome!I am laughing though, because I was listening to the radio this morning, and one of the movie critics said "Gyllenhaal is better than Holmes, but they never explained why Rachel aged 15 years between films."
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Actually, though, Maggie is only a year older than Katie Holmes. I was just glad Rachel was played by someone who can, you know, act. I hope Katie Holmes had a fun time making "Mad Money", because she sure made a bad move not being in this. Worked out great for me, though.
As for Siren...
I sincerely doubt that Harvey is still alive. For one, they already used the fake death once, it would look lazy to try it again. Also, really, what they do, lock him in the Bat Cave and smack him around until he regains sense? Doesn't seem likely. I know people in comic books are coming back to life all the time but I don't think that Christopher Nolan would really go for that. Not to mention when people have truly died in the past two movies, they've generally stayed dead. I have no reason to believe Liam Neeson is secretly hiding out in Tibet somewhere, plotting to return for the next movie.
As for Siren...
I sincerely doubt that Harvey is still alive. For one, they already used the fake death once, it would look lazy to try it again. Also, really, what they do, lock him in the Bat Cave and smack him around until he regains sense? Doesn't seem likely. I know people in comic books are coming back to life all the time but I don't think that Christopher Nolan would really go for that. Not to mention when people have truly died in the past two movies, they've generally stayed dead. I have no reason to believe Liam Neeson is secretly hiding out in Tibet somewhere, plotting to return for the next movie.
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Well The Dark Knight broke the box office record for most money made by a film in a single weekend, grossing over 155 million!
It also currently holds the number one spot on imdb.com's Top 250 movies of all time! That's a big stretch for sure, and I doubt it stays there, but it goes to show just how much people are loving this movie.
It also currently holds the number one spot on imdb.com's Top 250 movies of all time! That's a big stretch for sure, and I doubt it stays there, but it goes to show just how much people are loving this movie.
I just came back from this and was floored. Even though I really liked Batman Begins, I wasn't as gaga about it as most people were, mainly because I thought it was so preoccupied about setting up the franchise that its plot wasn't as interesting as it could've been. The Dark Knight, however, took everything that was great about the last film, magnified it, and smoothened out the problems.
I'm going to admit right now that I was one of the people who thought casting Heath Ledger as the Joker was a strange decision. I was, however, willing to give Nolan the benefit of the doubt since I've always liked Ledger. My problem wasn't the Brokeback Mountain connections that everyone was obsessed with. My problem was that Ledger usually played more low-key, understated roles, so I was having trouble imagining him playing such an outlandish character.
I can happily admit I was wrong. He somehow managed to balance both humor and fear, which amazes me since I'm so used to a comedic Joker. The few times where he's shouting (like in that news video) really creeped me out. Believe the hype surrounding his performance. I'd love to see him at least get an Oscar nomination, if not a win.
The action scenes were fantastic, and you can actually see what was happening, unlike in Batman Begins. I was grateful that they were organic to the story and characters rather than feeling tacked on. And while not exactly an action sequence, the scene with Batman and the Joker in the interrogation room was my favorite scene in the film. The dialogue here was really well-written and delivered, and this is perhaps the most violent I've ever seen Batman on film.
As for Maggie Gyllenhaal, I thought she was an improvement over Katie Holmes, and I was actually one of the few who didn't mind Katie in the first film. I will say, though, that dead Rachel is better than both. Rachel's character in both films is kind of a jerk towards Bruce. I was able to buy that in Batman Begins since she thinks he's a sleazy playboy, but once she knows he's Batman, you'd think she'd be more open to him in this one. I'm glad she's dead. Bring on Catwoman, please.
Oh, and Two-Face? Freaking creepy. Thank you, filmmakers, for going all-out with him. It's interesting how he's not brought in till the third act, yet I'm far more satisfied with him than with the Scarecrow from the first film, not to mention another act three comic villain: Venom in Spider-Man 3. I think if the filmmakers for that film had kept Venom's role as secretive as the filmmakers here have for Two-Face, there wouldn't have been as much of an outcry. I also think there's the possibility of him being alive. Didn't Aaron Eckhart hint that the goal was to pair Two-Face with someone else for the third film? I definitely saw him breathing, though it's possible that's just a performance error.
While I can't quite call this my favorite film of the year (Narnia and WALL-E both struck more of an emotional chord with me), I'm still very impressed. This is hands down my favorite Batman movie, finally dethroning Batman Returns for me. Superhero films from here on have a very tough act to follow...
I'm going to admit right now that I was one of the people who thought casting Heath Ledger as the Joker was a strange decision. I was, however, willing to give Nolan the benefit of the doubt since I've always liked Ledger. My problem wasn't the Brokeback Mountain connections that everyone was obsessed with. My problem was that Ledger usually played more low-key, understated roles, so I was having trouble imagining him playing such an outlandish character.
I can happily admit I was wrong. He somehow managed to balance both humor and fear, which amazes me since I'm so used to a comedic Joker. The few times where he's shouting (like in that news video) really creeped me out. Believe the hype surrounding his performance. I'd love to see him at least get an Oscar nomination, if not a win.
The action scenes were fantastic, and you can actually see what was happening, unlike in Batman Begins. I was grateful that they were organic to the story and characters rather than feeling tacked on. And while not exactly an action sequence, the scene with Batman and the Joker in the interrogation room was my favorite scene in the film. The dialogue here was really well-written and delivered, and this is perhaps the most violent I've ever seen Batman on film.
As for Maggie Gyllenhaal, I thought she was an improvement over Katie Holmes, and I was actually one of the few who didn't mind Katie in the first film. I will say, though, that dead Rachel is better than both. Rachel's character in both films is kind of a jerk towards Bruce. I was able to buy that in Batman Begins since she thinks he's a sleazy playboy, but once she knows he's Batman, you'd think she'd be more open to him in this one. I'm glad she's dead. Bring on Catwoman, please.
Oh, and Two-Face? Freaking creepy. Thank you, filmmakers, for going all-out with him. It's interesting how he's not brought in till the third act, yet I'm far more satisfied with him than with the Scarecrow from the first film, not to mention another act three comic villain: Venom in Spider-Man 3. I think if the filmmakers for that film had kept Venom's role as secretive as the filmmakers here have for Two-Face, there wouldn't have been as much of an outcry. I also think there's the possibility of him being alive. Didn't Aaron Eckhart hint that the goal was to pair Two-Face with someone else for the third film? I definitely saw him breathing, though it's possible that's just a performance error.
While I can't quite call this my favorite film of the year (Narnia and WALL-E both struck more of an emotional chord with me), I'm still very impressed. This is hands down my favorite Batman movie, finally dethroning Batman Returns for me. Superhero films from here on have a very tough act to follow...
Thank you for noticing and saying you saw Two Face breathing too. To me, it was so obvious, I don't see how Nolan wouldn't have noticed if he really wanted Two Face dead.
On where they could be keeping Two Face? Batcave...uh no...Arkum, perhaps. Maximum security, perhaps in the underbelly and in a highly confidential area. Also, Bruce has connections. He could have placed him anywhere in the world and be footing the bill. Does that mean I WANT Two Face back in the next movie? No, not exactly. But it keeps it open for him to return.
I am also one of those people who had distrust in Heath as Joker. Read my first posts here. I was not won over. I am also glad I was wrong.
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I got back from seeing it for a 2nd time and I liked if not even more the second go around...I was going to see it in IMAX in Saint Louis but it was sold out until Monday (tomorrow) so Tomorrow I will see it in IMAX and I am sure I will love it just as much if not more in IMAX....
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I thought I also Saw Two-Face breathing..I didn't notice it as much the first time but the 2nd time (last Night) I saw it and noticed it's either him breathing the guy's good at acting dead...acting as Two-Face alive or even Harvey Dent is fantastic....so Is Heath Ledger as the Joker...
Also I agree there may be a hint torwards Catwoman being the next villaness in the movie....
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I thought I also Saw Two-Face breathing..I didn't notice it as much the first time but the 2nd time (last Night) I saw it and noticed it's either him breathing the guy's good at acting dead...acting as Two-Face alive or even Harvey Dent is fantastic....so Is Heath Ledger as the Joker...
Also I agree there may be a hint torwards Catwoman being the next villaness in the movie....
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To catwoman being in the next film: I think Nolan would do a very good job with her (plus, I'd love to see who they cast), but wouldn't it be risky to put her in? Considering the bad taste in the mouth's of audience's due to a certain film we all know...
Poison Ivy would be good too, and Riddler could be fun (perhaps I'm just hoping they bring back the villain's from the Schumacher films to make them cool again)!
Poison Ivy would be good too, and Riddler could be fun (perhaps I'm just hoping they bring back the villain's from the Schumacher films to make them cool again)!
I am one of the few people in the world who enjoyed Halle Berry's Catwoman. Was it an exact match in the storytelling...certainly not. But as with every new writer, they change things to make it their own. Like how Nolan's Harvey becomes Two-Face.
But I deffinetly want to see how Nolan would rewrite Catwoman. Nolan goes for a grittier, more realistic Batman Universe. Catwoman is part cat burglar part eco-terrorist (when it comes to cats in danger). I would love to see Nolan add Catwoman.
Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn...they are so much fun together. Though Nolan's movies aren't the "fun" of Schmacher. So I wonder how Nolan would change them....especially Harley. I don't think I'd like her as much if she were as dark as Nolan's Joker. But if they place Harley in the third movie, they could do a nice set up to bring Joker and her back for the 4th movie. I've always loved the character of Harley...she is the poster child for battered women. Going back to them no matter how beat up once they say they are sorry. But she adds a whole new level to unstable with it, being that she would practically do anything for Joker. Even kill.
Poison Ivy is an eco-terrorist. If Nolan were to erase Uma's Ivy it would make that character's return to the screen so much better than the last one.
But I deffinetly want to see how Nolan would rewrite Catwoman. Nolan goes for a grittier, more realistic Batman Universe. Catwoman is part cat burglar part eco-terrorist (when it comes to cats in danger). I would love to see Nolan add Catwoman.
Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn...they are so much fun together. Though Nolan's movies aren't the "fun" of Schmacher. So I wonder how Nolan would change them....especially Harley. I don't think I'd like her as much if she were as dark as Nolan's Joker. But if they place Harley in the third movie, they could do a nice set up to bring Joker and her back for the 4th movie. I've always loved the character of Harley...she is the poster child for battered women. Going back to them no matter how beat up once they say they are sorry. But she adds a whole new level to unstable with it, being that she would practically do anything for Joker. Even kill.
Poison Ivy is an eco-terrorist. If Nolan were to erase Uma's Ivy it would make that character's return to the screen so much better than the last one.
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I'm not opposed to Poison Ivy, but they'd have to really re-invent the character to fit in with the Nolan Batman. It's one thing to not make any mention of Ra's al Ghul's Lazarus pits, it's quite another for Poison Ivy just to be a woman who just likes plants a lot. Admittedly, therin lies the problem with realism. It makes more a more realistic movie, but also limits who you can include. I think Nolan's pretty against using any villain who has some sort of other-worldy mutant abilities.
As for Catwoman, someone (the screenwriter?) said they wouldn't use her, because they wanted to go back to using villains never used on the screen before.
As for Catwoman, someone (the screenwriter?) said they wouldn't use her, because they wanted to go back to using villains never used on the screen before.
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I would love to see Holiday or the Hangman jump to the big screen but my number one choice for a villain is number 3 in Phantasm. Batman and the Mask of the Phantasm is still my favourite Batman movie of all time and I would love to see Nolan tackle its storyline and adapt in into live action. The only problem would be that Rachel Dawes and Andrea Beaumont are very similar in terms of there relationship with Bruce Wayne, and of course the Joker would either have to be traded for another character or recast.
Regardless a live action "Mask of the Phantasm" would totally blow my mind.
Regardless a live action "Mask of the Phantasm" would totally blow my mind.
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SpringHeelJack wrote:As for Catwoman, someone (the screenwriter?) said they wouldn't use her, because they wanted to go back to using villains never used on the screen before.
I believe it was Chris Nolan himself who said that, but that's obviously a crock since he's already used The Joker and Two-Face.
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She's appeared in the comics a handful of times. She never became what Harley did but she does exist in the comic's universe.JiminyCrick91 wrote:I'm not sure how it whould work. Mask of the Phantasm is like the Batman Begins of the DCAU anyway. Also The Phantasm has never been seen in anything else and I think they like to use ones from the comics anyway. *Shrugs*
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It doesn't have to be a direct adaptation obviously, but I love the idea of the Police having to go to Batman for help to stop a mobster murdering masked man and having said masked man turn out to be a woman from Bruce's past. Rachel Dawes can't be the only girl Bruce Wayne ever had real feelings for.
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See, you may be right but the only comics I can find with her in them are all DCAU related (ie. Batman Adventurs), unlike Harley, Renee Montoya, and Mercy Graves for Superman.Widdi wrote: She's appeared in the comics a handful of times. She never became what Harley did but she does exist in the comic's universe.
If you can find any in cannon The Phantasm can you tell me a few? I'd like to check 'em out.
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