Most over-rated Disney movie

[Disney's Divinity]

but it's just so flawed IMO,

There. That's better.

Besides that, I think I actually agree with you. Some of Disney's greatest classics (like The Jungle Book, Lady and the Tramp, The Lion King and 101 Dalmatians) often don't get as much attention as the Princess films here. And they are usually more criticized as well. I don't think the Princess films are necessarily any better than the others, but they tend to include things I like about a film (a villainess, magic, action, emotional tension, etc.).

[Simba3]

Well, I browsed through this thread, and I didn't find any mentioning of this film, so I am going to say it myself, even though I know I'm probably going to get a lot of crap for it. I think Pirates of the Caribbean is incredibly overrated. I saw the first of the films and thought it was decent, I guess, but I didn't really understand what all the hype was about. So, I decided not to see the second film, and have no plans to see the third. Maybe someday I will check them out just to see what they are all about, but I didnt' think the first film was as fantastic as everyone hyped it up to be.

[Disney-Fan]

If Disney wants to make a movie about a princess that turns out to be great, fine, but don't force the animators and storymen to make a certain string of films.

Kinda have to agree with that.
Princesses != Instant popularity
Only great storytelling and fun / interesting characters can give you that. Yes, Disney's track record with popular movies a lot of the times involves a princess but that's not why the movie is successful.

Well, I browsed through this thread, and I didn't find any mentioning of this film, so I am going to say it myself, even though I know I'm probably going to get a lot of crap for it. I think Pirates of the Caribbean is incredibly overrated.

For example: Pirates of the Caribbean. Don't get me wrong, I love the film. ADORE it. But it really is nothing more than a fun, fast-paced adventure flick. Critics made the first one seem like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - Okay, I understand why this one gets so much credit - it was Disney's first animated feature. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it's boring, boring, boring!

Or, on the other hand, perhaps you're just not able to appreciate a true classic?

[Simba3]

Well, I browsed through this thread, and I didn't find any mentioning of this film, so I am going to say it myself, even though I know I'm probably going to get a lot of crap for it. I think Pirates of the Caribbean is incredibly overrated.

For example: Pirates of the Caribbean. Don't get me wrong, I love the film. ADORE it. But it really is nothing more than a fun, fast-paced adventure flick. Critics made the first one seem like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Well, I DID say I merely browsed the thread. Glad we see eye to eye on this film.

[Sotiris]

Live-action: Pirates of the Carribean--mediocre
Chronicles of Narnia--less than mediocre
High School Musical--total crap


Animated: Bambi--boring as hell!
Dumbo--boring & cheap animation
The Lion King--good, but not that good!

[Simba3]

Pirates of the Carribean--mediocre

AGREED!

Chronicles of Narnia--less than mediocre

WHAT WHAT WHAT?? I love this movie. But, I loved the books as well.

[Super Aurora]

Look like people here done seem to get what overrated means. Most people seems to list movies they don't like. That's not what overrated is. You can even like the movie and still consider it overrated. Overrated is something ,despite whether you like it or not, that gain so much hype and praise yet isn't as great as people make it out to be.

For me, despite loving the Lion King, I do consider it overrated compared to something like Hunchback of Notre Dome, or Alice in Wonderland, or Tarzan which I find even better made.

Lion King has good theme/symbol speaking but story is too much of an saga dividing story kinda like Dragonball Z.

[MagicMirror]

I'm going to jump on the Lion King bandwagon as well. It's easy to see why it became such a religion for some, but I was never too keen on it. Both the design and the animation are far inferior to a good 70-80% of the Disney Animated Classics, in my opinion. And I'm glad I'm not the only ne who found Simba -particularly young Simba - so annoying. They should have made Zazu or Rafiki king instead, if you ask me; they were the only competent charaters in the entire cast.
Even if it were a perfect film, with the following it has, it would still be overrated.

If we're moving beyond Animated Classics, then, without a doubt, it has to be that loathsome, wretched, utterly awful 'High School Musical'. It embodies everything I hate about Disney.

[Escapay]

I'm going to jump on the Lion King bandwagon as well. It's easy to see why it became such a religion for some, but I was never too keen on it. Both the design and the animation are far inferior to a good 70-80% of the Disney Animated Classics, in my opinion. And I'm glad I'm not the only ne who found Simba -particularly young Simba - so annoying. They should have made Zazu or Rafiki king instead, if you ask me; they were the only competent charaters in the entire cast.
Even if it were a perfect film, with the following it has, it would still be overrated.

My new best friend!

Anyways, to continue with the overratedness of some Disney films...

The Little Mermaid - whoop-de-doo, it's the savior of Disney Animation in the 1980s. Let's just gloss over the contrived plot points and backwards-feminism* and fall in love with the tiny fishgirl whose voice could make a person fall week at the knees! We just need to hear a few bars of "Part of Your World" and we'll just fall down flat at the fins (well, at this point they're feet) of Ariel.

Escapay

*Aside from the whole lovey-dovey fairy tale aspect, it's essentially telling young girls that if you want a man, you'll have to reject your world and your people, and change yourself entirely and comform to his. Heck, even without the "do all this to get your man", it's about a girl who is still rejecting her heritage and her fascination with another culture borders on extremely disturbing. She collects and collects all these things, but has no real concept of what they really are or what it is to be a human.

[pap64]

I'm going to jump on the Lion King bandwagon as well. It's easy to see why it became such a religion for some, but I was never too keen on it. Both the design and the animation are far inferior to a good 70-80% of the Disney Animated Classics, in my opinion. And I'm glad I'm not the only ne who found Simba -particularly young Simba - so annoying. They should have made Zazu or Rafiki king instead, if you ask me; they were the only competent charaters in the entire cast.
Even if it were a perfect film, with the following it has, it would still be overrated.

My new best friend!

Anyways, to continue with the overratedness of some Disney films...

The Little Mermaid - whoop-de-doo, it's the savior of Disney Animation in the 1980s. Let's just gloss over the contrived plot points and backwards-feminism* and fall in love with the tiny fishgirl whose voice could make a person fall week at the knees! We just need to hear a few bars of "Part of Your World" and we'll just fall down flat at the fins (well, at this point they're feet) of Ariel.

Escapay

*Aside from the whole lovey-dovey fairy tale aspect, it's essentially telling young girls that if you want a man, you'll have to reject your world and your people, and change yourself entirely and comform to his. Heck, even without the "do all this to get your man", it's about a girl who is still rejecting her heritage and her fascination with another culture borders on extremely disturbing. She collects and collects all these things, but has no real concept of what they really are or what it is to be a human.

You know what? As much as I enjoyed The Little Mermaid and disagree with some of the sentiments, I can't help but agree on principle.

The original Hans Christian Andersen tale was a very bittersweet tale, yet was rich in human drama and emotion. The little mermaid wanted to be human for many, many reasons. When compare it to the Disney version its very shallow.

I'm pretty sure the movie would've been less criticized if they followed that aspect of the original tale. Had Ariel wish to be human in order to experience a brand new world, not just because she fell in love with a guy. Make it so that she meeting Eric and falling in love with him was coincidental.

[hoojib127]

*Aside from the whole lovey-dovey fairy tale aspect, it's essentially telling young girls that if you want a man, you'll have to reject your world and your people, and change yourself entirely and comform to his. Heck, even without the "do all this to get your man", it's about a girl who is still rejecting her heritage and her fascination with another culture borders on extremely disturbing. She collects and collects all these things, but has no real concept of what they really are or what it is to be a human.

Well, with all due respect, that is the story that is "The Little Mermaid." And it's really not that different than Snow White or Cinderella longing for a handsome prince to take her away from her humdrum life to his majestic palace. I don't really follow the 'post-Walt' Disney animated features that closely anyway, but "Mermaid" seems to be one of the better ones; at least it's not overly broad or tries to use 'in the now' phrases/actions that would date it several years down the road (paging "Aladdin"!).

[pap64]

*Aside from the whole lovey-dovey fairy tale aspect, it's essentially telling young girls that if you want a man, you'll have to reject your world and your people, and change yourself entirely and comform to his. Heck, even without the "do all this to get your man", it's about a girl who is still rejecting her heritage and her fascination with another culture borders on extremely disturbing. She collects and collects all these things, but has no real concept of what they really are or what it is to be a human.

Well, with all due respect, that is the story that is "The Little Mermaid." And it's really not that different than Snow White or Cinderella longing for a handsome prince to take her away from her humdrum life to his majestic palace. I don't really follow the 'post-Walt' Disney animated features that closely anyway, but "Mermaid" seems to be one of the better ones; at least it's not overly broad or tries to use 'in the now' phrases/actions (paging "Aladdin!").

I beg to differ. In the original story, while she does fall in love with the prince, the main reason she wants to become human is just so she can have a soul. That right there makes a statement about the character.

In comparison, Ariel has a schoolgirl crush on Eric.

[Super Aurora]

My new best friend!

Anyways, to continue with the overratedness of some Disney films...

The Little Mermaid - whoop-de-doo, it's the savior of Disney Animation in the 1980s. Let's just gloss over the contrived plot points and backwards-feminism* and fall in love with the tiny fishgirl whose voice could make a person fall week at the knees! We just need to hear a few bars of "Part of Your World" and we'll just fall down flat at the fins (well, at this point they're feet) of Ariel.

Escapay

*Aside from the whole lovey-dovey fairy tale aspect, it's essentially telling young girls that if you want a man, you'll have to reject your world and your people, and change yourself entirely and comform to his. Heck, even without the "do all this to get your man", it's about a girl who is still rejecting her heritage and her fascination with another culture borders on extremely disturbing. She collects and collects all these things, but has no real concept of what they really are or what it is to be a human.

You know what? As much as I enjoyed The Little Mermaid and disagree with some of the sentiments, I can't help but agree on principle.

The original Hans Christian Andersen tale was a very bittersweet tale, yet was rich in human drama and emotion. The little mermaid wanted to be human for many, many reasons. When compare it to the Disney version its very shallow.

I'm pretty sure the movie would've been less criticized if they followed that aspect of the original tale. Had Ariel wish to be human in order to experience a brand new world, not just because she fell in love with a guy. Make it so that she meeting Eric and falling in love with him was coincidental.

Isn't that the reason she sings "Part of Your World"??

I think the real Essence of even the Disney's Little Mermaid was for Ariel to experince Human world etc. Her Love for Eric was just the driving force to establish for Ariel to become Human. Had they just stick with her becoming human for sake of learning more about them the story wouldn't move forward that well. With the love theme driven into the movie it gave Ariel the "chance" to become one and move the plot along.

[GirisGod]

High School Musical:
Come on! This is Disney we're talking about and Disney is NOT The ''All Teens Stuff'' plus it's a very annoying movie and it's cheesy and also Zac Efron REALLY did'nt sing he was lipsynching the song i REALLY hope they don't make High School Musical 2 as it would be EVEN worse than the first one


The Lion King 2:
Now i do like the Lion King and stuff but i despise this one i mean Kiara's not that good of a character and why did they have to make this rubbish direct-to video sequel? Huh,the only character i liked was Kovu(excluding the ones in Lion King 1) other than that in my opinion this movie was overrated.

[Billy Moon]

Animated: Bambi--boring as hell!

Ouch! That hurts.

I think Bambi is vastly underrated. At least in my experience - when I mention the film somewhere and tell people how great it is they tend to look at me like I'm retarded or something. People seem to think it's made for 3-year-old toddlers because of that damn cute promotional material, and aren't at all aware of its artistic value. To me Bambi is pure gold, perhaps the best Disney film ever.

[Prudence]

In the original story, while she does fall in love with the prince, the main reason she wants to become human is just so she can have a soul. That right there makes a statement about the character.

In comparison, Ariel has a schoolgirl crush on Eric.

I agree with you on both accounts. (Disney's The Little Mermaid has a bit of a dangerous message, don't you think? Ariel sees someone she thinks is hunky. She gives up her everything and gambles her very self to live in a strange place she doesn't know, just so she can have good times with Mr. Hunky who doesn't know her. The modern equivalent would be a teenage girl saying, "My daddy doesn't understand me! Hey, I saw a hot guy in the airport going to L.A.! I'm going to run away and live in L.A. with him!!!" and bartering for a ticket from someone who works for the mafia.)

[Disney's Divinity]

I beg to differ. In the original story, while she does fall in love with the prince, the main reason she wants to become human is just so she can have a soul. That right there makes a statement about the character.

And yet that story wasn't sexist? A girl who has to give up her voice and walk on daggers just so she can get a soul? And the only way she can get a soul is from the love of a man. I see no difference. Sure, it's "deeper" but it would still have sexist connotations. Not to mention it would specifically target a religious audience, which I don't think is Disney's purpose to do.

Besides, Ariel wanted to be part of the human world long before she met Eric. Eric was not the motivation of her deal. Her longing to experience humanity and her disputes with her father were her motivation. Eric just happened to be there for her to fall into, where she fell in love with him.

And I really think that something is only sexist if you are looking for it. I mean, would Pinocchio be sexist because he couldn't be a real boy without the help of the Blue Fairy? Why can't you just think that characters, boy or girl, make choices with which their genders have nothing to do with it?

[Prudence]

What if there was a story in which only members of the same gender helped each other? Would that be ageist, or racist, or elitist, or ...see, there's no end to this.

[Clochette]

Aside from the whole lovey-dovey fairy tale aspect, it's essentially telling young girls that if you want a man, you'll have to reject your world and your people, and change yourself entirely and comform to his.

Well, you could also say, it gives little (and not-so-little) girls the hope, that someday there could be someone for them who will be worth giving up everything for him (and remember, Eric didn't demand this from her - it was her own decision) and they will have their happily-ever-after...