oh and show us. From your vast collection too
Yup, yours is correct while mine are a little "cropped", cus my captures are done from the analog output of my dvd player into a standart analog video capture card. Both the player and the card crop a few of the pixels in different parts and various ways. The card, for example, since it's following correct video standards assumes 702 of the incoming pixels to be = to the1.33 width (just like a video display does) so it chops off the extra 18. And the analog out stage of my DVD player itself is actually not sending all those 702 horizontal ones nor all the vertical ones neither (Theres a web site that tests DVD players and counts how many pixels they "rob" you from each sidemvealf wrote:The capture from my R1 DVD shows more picture on all sides, compared to your R1 DVD.
. Even some very $$$$ do too.) If I show the full 1.33 capture without cropping, there's little black borders on all sides depending on it's PAL/NTSC output settings specially on the right (see my cap, shows almost the complete image of the left side) and for example if you go to the truble of cropping the PAL image which is just a straight 50% reduction and measuring it you'll see it comes from an image 566 pixels tall, not 576. (i cropped out the black bars). I made this caps quick and dirty with both discs on the same settings and thru the same steps so when i halved the images for posting etc their sizes and qualities would match without having to do different steps or Photoshop resizing for each so both went tru the same procsssing steps. i'd Ihave to go through a lil more trouble to massage my hardware and do unspeakable things to it with tricks to get it to show more of the image
Yeah i need a full 720 pro capture card don't remind me If you blow up my original captures you can even see the analog noise and slight high frequency roll off of analog video. Or I should get me a software DVD player. But those tend to fuzz and blur things shot live on interlaced videotape (like concerts and many supplemennts) or movies not coded with the correct progressive flags on their way to the progressive computer display (by the interlaced to progressive conversion) while my current set up renders live video TACK SHARP just like a progressive movie, so i prefer to watch my movie DVDs 100% sharp overscanned 2% than to watch my concert or other live to videotape dvds 71% fuzzied with 0% overscan . A fair trade, ain't it.My overscan % falls under the SMPTE projection cropping allowance. Lots better than most displays too. So im happy with it for the time being.
I think I've jokingly posted a couple of times before a "this analog capture reveals the limitations of the analog source" disclaimer
mvealf's NTSC capture being from the raw digital data should be showing the full 1.367 wide 480 x 720 image file with no cropping. (remapped and compressing into a 1.33 wide 480 x 640 pic with no loss of image pixels)My complain iiiiiiis that since all this lil losses ocurr on their way to an average consumer display unless you have fixed pixel rigid standards adhering hardware, why do DVD producers start chopping out the image from the SOURCE?
The more you throw out at the begining, the less you end up with in the end.Even the digital file capture image of the Anthology is cutting off part of the blue head and like half the visible image of the barrel behind it. That is part of the original negative's image too. Who knows exactly how much it's slighly cropping out in any of the other 3 sides (Unless you have an image that shows the full frame, mm like the Japanese Poppins LD seems to be dooing.)(Or an actual film frame on hand) but it should be mising roughly a similar amount.
So if the transfer cuts 5 or 10% and your display/electronics then cut 5 or 10% of what remains, what do you end up with of the image?
And when you finally splurge for that digitally controled $$$$ 0% overscan digital display and you pay $$$ for the installer to adjust the pixel phase so you get a 1 to 1 pixel concordance and put your spanking digitally perfect DVDs there, why should you still be missing 2, 3, 4, 5, 10 % of the original image after you went thru all that trouble?
There's actually NO reason!
Adopt a cropped edge. Save the art of animation and cinema.
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) but Bacchus and the background aren't, so it's cool.
