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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV5lHQAmEuc

I just watched this video. Again, I have no idea if what Mike is saying is true, but according to the video, there was a test screening for Snow White, and a particular scene to which the audience reacted badly was the scene where the Hag tempts Snow White with the poisoned apple. There's a song, in which the Hag basically pretends to be her friend. And then, instead of biting the apple, Snow White just touches it, and loses her will of becoming a leader. :facepalm: If this is true, then, omg, as if this movie wasn't bad enough so far.... :lol: :lol:
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If that is true then I'm not going to watch this, not even on Disney+. It explains why they haven't released a teaser yet.
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I'll be honest, I actually kind of feel like the hate toward Zegler has spiraled out of control by this point. Like, the dialogue has just become so ugly and mean that it's not even satisfying to me to see the movie eviscerated the way that it is. :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Her comments are Grade A annoying, absolutely, but she is NOT the only person who feels this way about fairy-tales. She is not the only person at Disney who feels this way about fairy-tales. She is not the only person involved in the remakes who feels this way about fairy-tales. Emma Watson was in a better position because she wasn't shading the specific princess she was portraying, but it's obvious she feels the same way about the Disney Princess brand, and she was never in danger of getting roasted the way that Zegler is. It's just weird to me that Zegler is being made to answer for decades of anti-princess rhetoric that started before she was even born.

Anyways, you just know that when the backlash gets addressed during the promotion of the movie, both Disney and the larger press are just going to discuss the entire thing like Disney fans were just angry at the remake because they can't stand feminism. Like ... no one is going to win in this game.
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Emma Watson has not been as unlikeable as Rachel Zegler. Rachel just sounds entitled, bratty and super annoying. Even the way she laughs is very annoying, she's like the total opposite of the character she portrays. I know she's not the only who feels this way towards fairy tales, but the others have stated their opinions in a more diplomatic way, unlike herself.

I don't feel any satisfaction to see the movie eviscerated either. I'm just sad to see a company that I admire destroying itself. But in the case of Snow White, it's like they want to be ridiculed. From the leaked photos of the seven PC "magical creatures" to these story changes, everything about this movie is just...stupid.
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They land in a very similar space for me. Every comment Watson made in celebration of Belle was ALWAYS in the context of Belle being the first, or sometimes the only, good Disney Princess. She probably hates Snow White and Cinderella even more than Zegler, but she didn't get anywhere near this degree of pushback. In a similar way to how I don't think celebrating contemporary feminist advances should come with tearing down the old stuff, I don't think that defending classical Disney Princesses should accompany such targeted rage toward one person who has been dishing out the same low-carb nonsense that we've all been putting up with anyways for years.

And while I acknowledge that much of the frustration dealt toward Zegler, at least in this most recent wave of anger, comes from a place distinct from the racist craziness, the design of the internet is such that it's all just going to be read as "and THIS is how the world feels about POC actresses taking on traditionally white roles."
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PatchofBlue wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:16 pm They land in a very similar space for me. Every comment Watson made in celebration of Belle was ALWAYS in the context of Belle being the first, or sometimes the only, good Disney Princess. She probably hates Snow White and Cinderella even more than Zegler, but she didn't get anywhere near this degree of pushback. In a similar way to how I don't think celebrating contemporary feminist advances should come with tearing down the old stuff, I don't think that defending classical Disney Princesses should accompany such targeted rage toward one person who has been dishing out the same low-carb nonsense that we've all been putting up with anyways for years.

And while I acknowledge that much of the frustration dealt toward Zegler, at least in this most recent wave of anger, comes from a place distinct from the racist craziness, the design of the internet is such that it's all just going to be read as "and THIS is how the world feels about POC actresses taking on traditionally white roles."
But POC actresses should not be taking on traditionally white roles and vice-versa. It isn’t racist to say so either. Characters that are strongly identified as a specific image or described as such in the source material, should remain as such. Otherwise, the characters aren’t true to who they are. I feel like some people skipped Reading class because physical appearance is part of a character’s description. It is counterproductive to the goal of increasing representation by doing it the wrong way. Changing the race of an already established character for representation is misguided. Regardless of what people might want to say, you can’t just swap characters’ races and it still be the same characters.
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The_Iceflash wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:37 pm But POC actresses should not be taking on traditionally white roles and vice-versa. It isn’t racist to say so either. Characters that are strongly identified as a specific image or described as such in the source material, should remain as such. Otherwise, the characters aren’t true to who they are. I feel like some people skipped Reading class because physical appearance is part of a character’s description. It is counterproductive to the goal of increasing representation by doing it the wrong way. Changing the race of an already established character for representation is misguided. Regardless of what people might want to say, you can’t just swap characters’ races and it still be the same characters.
What, in your opinion, is "the right way" to increase representation?
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You didn't ask me, but this is my opinion - come up with original stories, and fill them up with all the DEI crap you want. Don't ruin the classics, don't ruin an already established character.
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Precisamente, Vlad!
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Vlad is right!
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Vlad Sicoe wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:40 am You didn't ask me, but this is my opinion - come up with original stories, and fill them up with all the DEI crap you want. Don't ruin the classics, don't ruin an already established character.
I agree with this. That’s the right way. Not “fixing” already existing stories and characters.
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‘Snow White’ Could Move Off Its March 2024 Release Date
https://thedisinsider.com/2023/08/25/sn ... ease-date/
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But is it really "fixing" the character to just open them up to different kinds of actresses? I put that in a completely different category than the allergic reaction we're getting with Snow White: Girlboss.

On that note, it actually is a shame to me that the decision to race-swap Snow White is inevitably going to be bundled up with all the other "updates" they're dumping on her. At least Disney managed to feature one race-swapped princess with Halle's Ariel who wasn't totally screwed over. Though, the fact that said movie underperformed leaves its own kind of mark, I guess ...
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Looks like Disney will happily use the strike to postpone this and probably schedule a bunch of reshoots in the meantime. Just my guess.

I mean, Snow touching the apple and then losing her will to be strong independent girl boss is just all sorts of hilarious.

It reads like an SNL skit.
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PatchofBlue wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:19 am But is it really "fixing" the character to just open them up to different kinds of actresses? I put that in a completely different category than the allergic reaction we're getting with Snow White: Girlboss.

On that note, it actually is a shame to me that the decision to race-swap Snow White is inevitably going to be bundled up with all the other "updates" they're dumping on her. At least Disney managed to feature one race-swapped princess with Halle's Ariel who wasn't totally screwed over. Though, the fact that said movie underperformed leaves its own kind of mark, I guess ...
The messed up thing to me is that she's not even race-swapped, not in the non-US terms anyway. If you didn't know anything about Rachel Zegler's background, you could have her confused for a European actress. Her last name even sounds German. I hate I even have to go there, but when you look at her interviews with Gal Gadot right there next to her, there isn't even a noticeable difference in their skin color. The whole race-swapping discourse is a nothingburger, designed and brought up just to create more outrage at Disney's "wokeness." Are people really that literal when they say, "BuT sHe'S dEsCrIbEd As HaViNg SkIn As WhItE aS sNoW"? They do know what snow looks like, right? And that not even in the original her skin was as white as a sheet of paper.

Dwarfs being replaced by a group of robbers reminds me of Snow White: A Tale of Terror, they may be going for something similar here. The other story changes sound beyond inane, but I'll wait until I see the actual movie. Context matters. I also would not be surprised if a lot of these reports were made up and used to add more fuel to the controversy fire.
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To be fair, that whole discourse regarding this movie and race-swapping was initially fueled and in a way started by Rachel. I honestly wouldn’t have even given it a second thought if it weren’t for her comments. She actually looks like Snow White whereas Halle looks nothing like Ariel.
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To be fair, that whole discourse regarding this movie and race-swapping was initially fueled and in a way started by Rachel. I honestly wouldn’t have even given it a second thought if it weren’t for her comments. She actually looks like Snow White whereas Halle looks nothing like Ariel.
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Sotiris wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:57 pm Sir Tim Rice talks about the Snow White remake.
Tim Rice wrote:The story as I understand it in the new version of Snow White has been changed so much, the characters have been changed, the dwarfs are not all dwarfs, why call it Snow White? Why not just make a brand-new film with an exciting story? [...] I don't think the 1937 Snow White is now a bad film because it reflected its time and it was sincerely made and it was extraordinarily popular. The character of Snow White in that early film isn't just a cipher. She actually makes a few decisions and she's a very good and nice person.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8ynqoyHnE
Sir Tim Rice is right, Disney should’ve used it’s resources to make an original live-action musical movie set in medival times and characters that appeal to today’s generation through moments in the film that can be replicated in Tik Tok. (Tik Tok trends, you are the bane of my generation’s existance :evil:) You can even call it…idk “Princess Girlboss and the Fight For Glory” or something like that. Instead, they’re remaking a movie that doesn’t need to be remade and they’re changing the most unnessesary things in the movie. Like, changing the Seven Dwarfs into the Seven…er…robbers or creatures :? Why?! That’s so wrong on so many levels. To me, Snow White symbolizes strength and hope through dark times which reflects the time period this movie was made. She doesn’t need to be a snarky girlboss, she needs to be a gentle and kind-spirited person to everyone she meets. And this movie is the first feature length animated movie the company made, why disrespect it like this :(
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MoonMarc21 wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:00 am Sir Tim Rice is right, Disney should’ve used it’s resources to make an original live-action musical movie set in medival times and characters that appeal to today’s generation through moments in the film that can be replicated in Tik Tok. (Tik Tok trends, you are the bane of my generation’s existance :evil:) You can even call it…idk “Princess Girlboss and the Fight For Glory” or something like that. Instead, they’re remaking a movie that doesn’t need to be remade and they’re changing the most unnessesary things in the movie. Like, changing the Seven Dwarfs into the Seven…er…robbers or creatures :? Why?! That’s so wrong on so many levels. To me, Snow White symbolizes strength and hope through dark times which reflects the time period this movie was made. She doesn’t need to be a snarky girlboss, she needs to be a gentle and kind-spirited person to everyone she meets. And this movie is the first feature length animated movie the company made, why disrespect it like this :(
Completely agree, and Welcome MoonMarc21! :wave: Cool to have another member of my generation interested in this great forum. (sorry i have fallen for Tiktok😭) but anyways I just KNOW this movie will be the biggest Live Action Flop ever!!!!!! And I wanted to say that I had a dream last night about Live Action Snowwhite where everyone wanted to be the fairest in the land including the "dwarfs" where the queen had to learn the message that everyone is beautiful in their own way. Lol I can see Disney thinking of using this message before ending up with the girlbossification :P still dont know why I dreamed about that

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AHHHH! Another Gen Z member! I found this forum when I wanted to learn more information about Raya and the Last Dragon and I was lurking and following it since. I do occasionally use Tik Tok, mostly for gags and useful tips. Sadly, my profile pic is from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. I chose it since he’s my favorite Marvel superhero and Across the Spider-Verse recently came out digitally. Also, you’re dream about this movie is so funny rotfl
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