And please dont let it have a low frame rate, that was the one thing I hated about the animation in Spider-man: ITSV.
Starting at 1:48 on this video, you can see the full screen and the animation:D82 wrote: Yeah, it would've been great to have been able to see the test footage. At least, we got a little glimpse on that screen behind Ariana DeBose, as Warm Regards pointed out.
Yes, it's true. There you can see it better. Maybe it's the video quality, but the style of animation doesn't look good to me there.blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:45 pm Starting at 1:48 on this video, you can see the full screen and the animation:
https://youtu.be/IEqK22dNcpg
This formula has been used so much at Disney that other studios are starting to copy it. Skydance's Spellbound is using it too. Here, the fact Asha is seeing things others don't makes it more similar to Encanto than anything else.
I don't like the title either. Like you said, it's very Pixar-esque. Plus the name is already taken by a Disney cruise ship. They should have just called it the name of the protagonist. Interestingly, Pixar has started doing just that with Luca and Elio. I agree about the logo too. It's very plain and the placement of the star at the top of the 'S' makes it look like a fuse. It should have been used as a tittle and placed above the 'I'.DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:24 pmThe whole premise seems totally Pixar-esque, even down to another adjective title. But the tile and the logo is awfully generic and vague.
Yeah, the origin of the wishing star is not something that needed explaining. The fact it's about the wishing star in Disney movies specifically and not about how people came to wish on stars in general makes it worse. Are they trying to make a cinematic universe out of Disney films? Theories that connect movies unrelated to one another are nothing more than fanfiction and WDAS shouldn't be giving credence to them. What's next? Are we going to get the origin of the wishing well too? It reminds me of what they did in Ralph Breaks the Internet where they took a common visual element like characters looking into water during their songs and made into a "thing" when there was never actually such intent. The wishing star hasn't even been used that much in Disney canon. As you've said, only a couple of movies show a character wishing on a star. The fact Chris Buck said there will be lots of Easter eggs from past Disney movies in the film worries me even more. This seems like pure fancervice, something the studio should not be engaging in.
I didn't like the song at all. It's so dull and unmemorable, it's like it was created by AI. Like someone put in "generic Broadway ballad #734" and this is what came out. It's even more forgettable than "Waiting for a Miracle".D82 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:32 pm Here's the full song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekb33F_62Js
I had no delusions that Menken was ever going to get another WDAS musical, but I'm surprised they aren't using the Lopezes or LMM. Getting someone new and someone so inexperienced with musical theater at that, tells me they really wanted a Latina to be the songwriter for this project.Farerb wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:42 pmIt's interesting that after 10 years they are finally bringing someone new to do the songs, though looking at her biography, it doesn't seem that she has experience with musicals.
Do you know who would have been perfect to do the songs for the 100 Years movie??
I love how she looks too. Finally, some good character designs from Disney again. We haven't had those since Raya. That comparison is apt, but I think she looks much better than Isabela. The publicity still is really pretty too and reminds me of the first still they released for The Princess and the Frog.Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:55 pm What a gorgeous design! Like a mix of Pocahontas and Isabela from Encanto.
I agree about DeBose. I'm glad they got someone with a really good, trained voice and who is experienced with musical theater. The voice actresses for Moana and Mirabel were not as refined.Disney's Divinity wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:55 pmI haven't been able to listen to the song yet, but DeBose?? Good choice.
I get the feeling they wanted to call this The Star but it was already taken by another animated movie.
I noticed that too about the animation and I don't believe the footage shown was unfinished. I think it looks that way because of the non-photorealistic rendering. There's nothing 2D about it, by the way. An artist who's working on it confirmed this is stylized CG and that they are using Hyperion, which is their usual rendering software, not Maender. I'm certain the final product will have no drawing involved whatsoever.
Well, it's been confirmed the film is set in the fictional Kingdom of Rosas, so I think it's going to be another cultural hodgepodge of some sort. The strange thing about the kingdom is it's being translated as the Kingdom of Wishes in the press, but rosas means roses, not wishes in Spanish.unprincess wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:23 pm well Im happy we're getting another folklore fantasy themed film but the story sounds really generic, like a cross between Encanto and Raya(I bet the star character will be another Genie/Maui/Sisu magical sidekick). Also I like her design but Im really curious when/where this takes place and I really hope its not yet another mishmash fantasy setting but I have a feeling it will be. From the architecture(and Im no expert) the setting seems like the ancient world, like in the middle east or Mediterranean? The goat's name says med, her dress and hairstyle and long dress Ive seen similar stuff in a lot of ancient art from the med/middle east.
It doesn't look good to me either. It looks more like Puss in Boots 2 than Spider-Verse. I wonder why they keep saying it has a watercolor aesthetic when it looks nothing like watercolor.
I agree, I'm not a fan of his easter eggs comment too. What I'm imagining is that the star will take Asha on a journey and they'll see how the stars have helped previous Disney characters or whatever.Sotiris wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:54 pm Yeah, the origin of the wishing star is not something that needed explaining. The fact it's about the wishing star in Disney movies specifically and not about how people came to wish on stars in general makes it worse. Are they trying to make a cinematic universe out of Disney films? Theories that connect movies unrelated to one another are nothing more than fanfiction and WDAS shouldn't be giving credence to them. What's next? Are we going to get the origin of the wishing well too? It reminds me of what they did in Ralph Breaks the Internet where they took a common visual element like characters looking into water during their songs and made into a "thing" when there was never actually such intent. The wishing star hasn't even been used that much in Disney canon. As you've said, only a couple of movies show a character wishing on a star. The fact Chris Buck said there will be lots of Easter eggs from past Disney movies in the film worries me even more. This seems like pure fancervice, something the studio should not be engaging in.
I've been trying to listen to the song a few more times and really doesn't do anything for me, it's like it doesn't have any emotional weight or catharsis.
I really don't understand why the Lopezes aren't attached to it considering that they have worked with Buck and Lee before. Kristen also hinted that they're doing the 2023 film, but maybe that was Estrada's film, which I think got scrapped because I don't think this one was ever inspired from his own life story, and because this project was hinted at by Jennifer Lee in January 2022, way before Estrada left Disney:Sotiris wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:54 pm I had no delusions that Menken was ever going to get another WDAS musical, but I'm surprised they aren't using the Lopezes or LMM. Getting someone new and someone so inexperienced with musical theater at that, tells me they really wanted a Latina to be the songwriter for this project.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235076391/Lee has a writing project of her own, though she won’t divulge any details about it.
That sounds absolutely dreadful. I hope they do something more subtle than that.
Do you really think they are going to let pesky things like canon and facts get in the way of their brilliant concept?
Maybe she'll be the mother to all the stars. 
In all seriousness, I don't think she's going to figure in this in any way.
Source: https://deadline.com/2022/09/wish-disne ... 235113523/They’ll face a villain described as one of most formidable foes in Disney history.
I like to think that Jennifer Lee just misspoke...maybe she didn't want to acknowledge that stories outside of Disney have used wishing on stars...I don't know. I'm not, in my "head canon," thinking of this as like the origin story of Tiana's star, Evangeline, Gepetto's star, Lilo's star, or anything like that... I think for the 100th celebration, they really wanted to be able to tie this film to Disney's history so they used Star to do so...Sotiris wrote:The fact it's about the wishing star in Disney movies specifically and not about how people came to wish on stars in general makes it worse. Are they trying to make a cinematic universe out of Disney films? Theories that connect movies unrelated to one another are nothing more than fanfiction and WDAS shouldn't be giving credence to them.
So that confirms that the short clip behind Ariana is not from the final film. I had been wondering that.An animation test was shown to the room, which featured animators experimenting with character movement.
To be honest, I thought the song was fine enough. But it wasn`t awfully memorable or outstanding. It`s execution and arrangement did remind me of some of the songs from the Disney Fairies Franchise (despite the different settings
) Sotiris wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:54 pm Well, it's been confirmed the film is set in the fictional Kingdom of Rosas, so I think it's going to be another cultural hodgepodge of some sort. The strange thing about the kingdom is it's being translated as the Kingdom of Wishes in the press, but rosas means roses, not wishes in Spanish.
I assumed because the protagonist is voiced by DeBose who is Afro-Latina, the character will also be Afro-Latina. However, the name Asha is not Spanish or African in origin. It's Sanskrit. And while the name exists in various countries in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, it only means "wish" in Sanskrit. In Swahili, it means "life". In Arabic, it means "alive and well". Is Asha supposed to be South Asian/Indian or Afro-Latina? The name of her pet goat Valentino is definitely Spanish which makes things even more confusing.
Agreed. The wishing star is a Disney Icon, but it`s premise as a Disney symbol is essentially too skimpy to be made a movie off. Especially in a story that is not meant to be a parody of the elements of the company. Besides, Disney have used the star symbol to mock or scrutinize before (Lilo & Stitch, Chicken Little, The Princess and the Frog), but it`s always been one of their separate elements in their stories. Not something that their stories was entirely built upon.Sotiris wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:54 pmYeah, the origin of the wishing star is not something that needed explaining. The fact it's about the wishing star in Disney movies specifically and not about how people came to wish on stars in general makes it worse. Are they trying to make a cinematic universe out of Disney films? Theories that connect movies unrelated to one another are nothing more than fanfiction and WDAS shouldn't be giving credence to them. What's next? Are we going to get the origin of the wishing well too? It reminds me of what they did in Ralph Breaks the Internet where they took a common visual element like characters looking into water during their songs and made into a "thing" when there was never actually such intent. The wishing star hasn't even been used that much in Disney canon. As you've said, only a couple of movies show a character wishing on a star. The fact Chris Buck said there will be lots of Easter eggs from past Disney movies in the film worries me even more. This seems like pure fancervice, something the studio should not be engaging in.
She will not. A female protagonist is not allowed to have a male love interest, anymore. That's sexist, don't you know?DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:07 amI'm wondering if Asha is going to have a love interest, btw.
The last female lead to have a love interest in a WDAS film was Anna from Frozen.
Good point. I mean, Cravalho was better than Moore and Beatriz as far as singing ability. Still, it'll be nice to have someone closer to the level I used to associate with the Disney Princesses--like Anika Noni Rose, Judy Kuhn, Benson, Menzel, Salonga, etc.--again *finally*. And yay at there being a villain again.Sotiris wrote:I agree about DeBose. I'm glad they got someone with a really good, trained voice and who is experienced with musical theater. The voice actresses for Moana and Mirabel were not as refined.
Yeah, I imagine it'll be something like that.
Wow, that's almost a decade without a main romance in a WDAS movie! Well, if we don't count Frozen II, though even in the first film the relationship between the two sisters is the main focus of the story and not so much Anna and Kristoff's.
TrueSotiris wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:09 pmShe will not. A female protagonist is not allowed to have a male love interest, anymore. That's sexist, don't you know?DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:07 amI'm wondering if Asha is going to have a love interest, btw.
In our politically correct and scrutinizing world, it`s definitively sexist to have a love interest now With the exception of Merida (who`s a Pixar property) and Elsa, who was a deuteragonist in the first place, almost all of the Revival heroines who`ve stayed single have been non-White (including Mirabel). It was nice to have a couple of single heroines at first, but now it`s been tiresome. But I`ll highly doubt that we`ll get a heroine with a love interest soon.Maybe its official name is Kingdom of Rosas, but it's also known as the Kingdom of Wishes by people? Perhaps that was mentioned in the presentation and that's why the press refers to it that way. By the way, here's a concept art of the kingdom:Sotiris wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:54 pm Well, it's been confirmed the film is set in the fictional Kingdom of Rosas, so I think it's going to be another cultural hodgepodge of some sort. The strange thing about the kingdom is it's being translated as the Kingdom of Wishes in the press, but rosas means roses, not wishes in Spanish.
Judging by her locks, which can be seen better in the photo of the film's display below, I'd say she's Afro-Latina like DeBose. But I also thought she could be from India based on the name. And, I may be wrong, but I think Valentino is an Italian name. At least, I don't know anyone in Spain called that way. However, there are people here called Valentín, which I guess is the Spanish version of it. Maybe it does exist in Latin America, though. Anyway, perhaps the fictional Kingdom where the movie takes place is a completely made up place which is a hodgepodge of very different cultures, like San Fransokyo, for example.Sotiris wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:54 pm I assumed because the protagonist is voiced by DeBose who is Afro-Latina, the character will also be Afro-Latina. However, the name Asha is not Spanish or African in origin. It's Sanskrit. And while the name exists in various countries in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, it only means "wish" in Sanskrit. In Swahili, it means "life". In Arabic, it means "alive and well". Is Asha supposed to be South Asian/Indian or Afro-Latina? The name of her pet goat Valentino is definitely Spanish which makes things even more confusing.
