Raya and the Last Dragon

[Farerb]

Well if this film is cancelled, at least they have an excuse with COVID-19.

Yes but what will be their excuse with their next film? We all know WDAS loves to cancel their films.

[JeanGreyForever]

Well if this film is cancelled, at least they have an excuse with COVID-19.

Yes but what will be their excuse with their next film? We all know WDAS loves to cancel their films.

Just to clarify, do you actually think they want to cancel the film? I didn't get those vibes at all myself but everyone else seems certain that's the case so I just must not see it.

[Farerb]

No, I'm just kidding and was hyperbolic.
Like RyGuy said there's no reason for Jennifer Lee to bring attention to this film if they plan to cancel it eventually.
Films sometimes get cancelled, it happens, not just at WDAS. One film getting cancelled does not mean future films will get cancelled.

[JeanGreyForever]

No, I'm just kidding and was hyperbolic.
Like RyGuy said there's no reason for Jennifer Lee to bring attention to this film if they plan to cancel it eventually.
Films sometimes get cancelled, it happens, not just at WDAS. One film getting cancelled does not mean future films will get cancelled.

Oh ok, that's what I thought at first but then you said it again so I wasn't sure if I was misreading or not.

TBH, I haven't had much interest in many of Disney/Pixar's original films in the past few years and while there are always a few that surprise me (Zootopia, Coco, Onward), I can't see I have much faith in liking their new films. I've generally enjoyed their sequels more, the Wreck-It Ralph sequel aside, so I don't have the issue here about original films being replaced with more sequels. I would actually love to see another sequel for Toy Story, Incredibles, Nemo/Dory, Monsters, Inc., Zootopia, etc.

[Farerb]

I wouldn't mind another sequel for Incredibles cause these characters are fun and there's always new things that can be done with them.
Zootopia is another one who has potential.
And surprisingly I'd also like Frozen III because I felt that Frozen II was more about exposition and expanding the mythology and the world, but it had a thin plot, so I would actually like to see them utilizing what they did in II.

As for the new films, I want to give a chance for the new directors they brought before I make judgement, but overall I feel like Disney mostly lost its magic. Even Zootopia which I enjoyed didn't really feel "Disney" to me. Raya not having music is already something I don't like, but a film doesn't need to have songs in order to be good so we'll see...

[Jules]

lol farerb! You made me laugh! At first I wasn't sure whether you were joking or just misread what Lee wrote. Lee saying that the crew at WDAS will be "all-hands-on-deck" was the complete opposite of a cancellation announcement!

I'm guessing you were messing with DisneyEra since she (he?* ) acts like the film's official prophet of doom and gloom.

*Not sure of your gender DisneyEra but I do get female vibes from your posts.

[disneyprincess11]

lol farerb! You made me laugh! At first I wasn't sure whether you were joking or just misread what Lee wrote. Lee saying that the crew at WDAS will be "all-hands-on-deck" was the complete opposite of a cancellation announcement!

Jules, thank you for being a voice of reason in this thread. Like....how can it be any more obvious that a global pandemic is the very reason that a movie is being delayed, a la Mulan (who was pushed on its release month)? I have no clue why people are cheering for this movie to fail. It was a part of Disney's marketing at the beginning of the year. There are already book products on Amazon. FGS, it was mentioned in this article from two days ago.

https://deadline.com/2020/05/animated-m ... 202928961/

*sigh*

"All hands on deck" clearly means everyone, like I have said before, is rushing to get this movie done because the resources are very very limited at home. They don't have the technology or communication like they do in the WDAS office. Their personal computers have less memory disks, where as the offices obviously a lot more to store a 90 minute movie. Not to mention, they have to e-mail the footage to their bosses. So, yes that is why the animation process is delaying ALL movies, not just Raya. Soul is obivously more close to completion than Raya, so yes it naturally takes Raya's slot.

And again, like I said before, Gigantic had years and years of delay and then its inevitable cancellation because the story was complicated and it flopped hard at the D23 2015 Expo. Disney couldn't find it a way to work. Greno walked away from Disney towards the cancellation. It had no steam. The Lopezs had only wrote a total of six songs, and not their usual 20. That's how you know that a development flopped.

Just...stop with the gloom and doom already. Raya, will be and, is FINE. The next two movies, on the other hand, could be in trouble because of the intense Raya focus due to COVID-19.....

[Disney's Divinity]

I didn't really think this would be cancelled, but I sympathize with DisneyEra's anxiety over the possibility since they had looked forward to Gigantic. I didn't care for anything I'd heard about Gigantic or (to use another example) King of the Elves outside the Lopezes' involvement, but if the situations were reversed and Raya was the one cancelled, I would be upset, too, especially with Awkwafina involved. I was bothered enough it was delayed over other animated films in Disney the company's pipeline (referring to Disney in general, not just WDAS).

EDIT: Random thought, but wasn't KotE supposed to be a story of a normal guy sucked into a fantasy world? I wonder if some of the ideas for that might've been taken and transformed into Onward? (I'm just assuming Lasseter was somewhat involved with the beginning of Onward before being ousted, right?)

[JeanGreyForever]

Oh lord, this has turned into another thread where people are crying about how Raya has been delayed because Pixar took its spot. If users can feel the need to tell other people to shut up with their "negativity" then I have no qualms about saying shut up with these conspiracy theories which for some reason the mods here feel the need to encourage.

[Sotiris]

I didn't really think this would be cancelled, but I sympathize with DisneyEra's anxiety over the possibility since they had looked forward to Gigantic.

Agreed. Also, I don't like the fact that some people are ganging up on DisneyEra. Let's try to be respectful, everyone.

[Clindor]

Usually that means that the film will probably be cancelled.

I know from a reliable contact, someone who has worked as a layout artist at the Walt Disney Animation Studios for 21 years and who's also involved in Raya and the Last Dragon production that the work on this film actually never stopped despite the pandemic context because the artists went on working on this project from the safety of their home. It's just that with these new conditions, work is moving at a slower pace ..inevitably I guess. Which means there might be delays and reconsideration regarding the deadlines (and the readjusted release date..?)
But no need to be over-dramatic though. WDAS seems to be handling the situation quite right, and Raya will come to those who can wait.

I'm serious. Jennifer Lee announce to the whole world that they are heading to "all-hands-on-deck". That usually implies that the film is cancelled.

Disney will close their entire animation division before it gets cancelled, lol ^^'. The project has been at the production stage for quite a while. There's no turning back now.

[Clindor]

I didn't really think this would be cancelled, but I sympathize with DisneyEra's anxiety over the possibility since they had looked forward to Gigantic.

Incomparable.

disneyprincess11 used the right words imo, but I would also add to this that unfortunately Gigantic never got to production ..at least to my knowledge. It was pre-production all along.

[Disney's Divinity]

Incomparable.

The two films are not comparable, but my feeling excitement over Raya and DisneyEra having felt excitement about Gigantic are, and that was the subject of my post.

[Farerb]

Usually that means that the film will probably be cancelled.

I know from a reliable contact, someone who has worked as a layout artist at the Walt Disney Animation Studios for 21 years and who's also involved in Raya and the Last Dragon production that the work on this film actually never stopped despite the pandemic context because the artists went on working on this project from the safety of their home. It's just that with these new conditions, work is moving at a slower pace ..inevitably I guess. Which means there might be delays and reconsideration regarding the deadlines (and the readjusted release date..?)
But no need to be over-dramatic though. WDAS seems to be handling the situation quite right, and Raya will come to those who can wait.

I'm serious. Jennifer Lee announce to the whole world that they are heading to "all-hands-on-deck". That usually implies that the film is cancelled.

Disney will close their entire animation division before it gets cancelled, lol ^^'. The project has been at the production stage for quite a while. There's no turning back now.

It was clearly a joke and you would have known that if you had read a little bit more or hadn't decided to ignore my last comment in this thread.

[Farerb]

I didn't really think this would be cancelled, but I sympathize with DisneyEra's anxiety over the possibility since they had looked forward to Gigantic.

Agreed. Also, I don't like the fact that some people are ganging up on DisneyEra. Let's try to be respectful, everyone.

I don't know what their reasons are, but it has come to a point where every little thing is a sign for cancellation, it's tiring. I'd like to hear news about it without being depressed about it, the situation in the world doesn't help it either.

If DisneyEra was insulted by my joke, then I apologize.

By the way, it's good that you ask people here to be respectful, I appreciate it, but maybe you could do it all the time? Like when someone makes a demeaning and disrespectful comment towards another user about how much their opinions are invalid. Even if you personally agree with the attacker's opinions and disagree with the one that the hurtful comment was aimed at.

[Clindor]

I know from a reliable contact, someone who has worked as a layout artist at the Walt Disney Animation Studios for 21 years and who's also involved in Raya and the Last Dragon production that the work on this film actually never stopped despite the pandemic context because the artists went on working on this project from the safety of their home. It's just that with these new conditions, work is moving at a slower pace ..inevitably I guess. Which means there might be delays and reconsideration regarding the deadlines (and the readjusted release date..?)
But no need to be over-dramatic though. WDAS seems to be handling the situation quite right, and Raya will come to those who can wait.
Disney will close their entire animation division before it gets cancelled, lol ^^'. The project has been at the production stage for quite a while. There's no turning back now.

It was clearly a joke and you would have known that if you had read a little bit more or hadn't decided to ignore my last comment in this thread.

First, no, it wasn't "clearly" a joke since you made confused the majority of people who replied here (if it is your choice not to "ignore" those reactions of course). And that's not even taking into account those who just read the messages and moved on.
Second, since this is a discussion forum, it is my right to add supplementary information that might interest other users, or reactions to statements from other Disney fans made here. And the whole thing regardless of what seems to be your ego problem.
Third, don't you take it personally. Because so far I did not address personally. (that reaction shows a lack of fair play, though on the other hand you are not the center of the universe. So can't we agree that RatLD is what gathers us here?)

(NB: Was it even a "joke"?? Maybe it's just me being too dumb but I just don't witness what is funny or where the humor is in that. Sounds more like average cynicism you get us quite accustomed by now. Maybe that was the problem to begin with.)

[Farerb]

First, no, it wasn't "clearly" a joke since you made confused the majority of people who replied here (if it is your choice not to "ignore" those reactions of course). And that's not even taking into account those who just read the messages and moved on.
Second, since this is a discussion forum, it is my right to add supplementary information that might interest other users or reactions to statements from other Disney fans made here. And the whole thing regardless of what seems to be your ego problem.
Third, don't you take it personally. Because so far I did not address personally. (And your reaction shows a lack of fair play, though you are not the center of the universe. Can't we agree that RatLD is what gathers us all here?)

(NB: Was it even a "joke"?? Maybe it's just me being too dumb but I just don't witness what is funny or where the humor is in that. Sounds more like average cynicism you get us quite accustomed by now. Maybe that was the problem to begin with.)

Clindor, what is your problem with me? You seem to be especially antagonistic with me and that's not the only time. It's reasonable for me to assume that your explanations was directed at me cause you did comment me, so how am I supposed to know that you "didn't address me personally"?

Yes, people were confused and then I explained that it was a joke, but you still took it seriously after I said that it was a joke, that's why I said that if you had kept reading the thread you would have realized that. Or you did but just thought it was an opportunity or whatever.

[Clindor]

First, no, it wasn't "clearly" a joke since you made confused the majority of people who replied here (if it is your choice not to "ignore" those reactions of course). And that's not even taking into account those who just read the messages and moved on.
Second, since this is a discussion forum, it is my right to add supplementary information that might interest other users or reactions to statements from other Disney fans made here. And the whole thing regardless of what seems to be your ego problem.
Third, don't you take it personally. Because so far I did not address personally. (And your reaction shows a lack of fair play, though you are not the center of the universe. Can't we agree that RatLD is what gathers us all here?)

(NB: Was it even a "joke"?? Maybe it's just me being too dumb but I just don't witness what is funny or where the humor is in that. Sounds more like average cynicism you get us quite accustomed by now. Maybe that was the problem to begin with.)

Clindor, what is your problem with me? You seem to be especially antagonistic with me and that's not the only time. It's reasonable for me to assume that your explanations was directed at me cause you did comment me, so how am I supposed to know that you "didn't address me personally"?

Yes, people were confused and then I explained that it was a joke, but you still took it seriously after I said that it was a joke, that's why I said that if you had kept reading the thread you would have realized that. Or you did but just thought it was an opportunity or whatever.

First. I have nothing against you farerb. Sincerely.

Though, I do confess, I've grown a bit wary of people who might use inconsistent reasoning just for the sake of being pessimistic about everything. I can be blamed for that I guess. Yet..

During these troubled times, if you share the idea of a project being cancelled, other people might think it is true. While it's not.
And I know some people already reacted to this single post, but I felt like I could express WHY it is unfounded. "Judging" the piece of information for what it is, not you or anyone else.

If people express grounded and founded reasons and/or facts to contradict other pieces of information: that's not a personal attack, that's debating.
Or if I may put it in another way: you doN'T have to take it personally.

Especially if you didn't even thought that. Which would mean: it's not from you.

[Farerb]

IDK. Using such strong words as "ego" and a pedantic explanation on what a joke is seems that you do, and those other instances I just shrugged off until it was brought into my attention privately but whatever...

If you wanted to make a general comment about Raya and about why it's not cancelled, that's great. I agree that it won't be cancelled, but maybe next time don't quote cause the people you are quoting might think that you are addressing them personally.

Edit: reading your edit now - I didn't think you personally attacked me in your original post, I did think that in your second. Just thought you disregarded the fact that I said it was a joke (or cynically said.. whatever) to prove me wrong or whatever.

[Clindor]

IDK. Using such strong words as "ego" and a pedantic explanation on what a joke is seems that you do, and those other instances I just shrugged off until it was brought into my attention privately but whatever...

Edit: reading your edit now - I didn't think you personally attacked me in your original post, I did think that in your second. Just thought you disregarded the fact that I said it was a joke (or cynically said.. whatever) to prove me wrong or whatever.

Well, that was my reaction to your post from before, and it looks like you were teaching me I should have known better about you (while other people also were a bit perplexed) and in kind of a rude way shall I say?.. So I interpreted you could be trying to drag me into an "ego fight" for which I have no interest. I tried to cut it out. Poor Raya deserves better lol

But yeah I can insist, I am fighting the reasoning, separately from the person. I also thought stupid things btw.. So just trying the place a more enriching place.

I do have respect for passionate, enthusiastic people who like to share their likes and dislikes <3