Pixar's Soul

[DisneyJedi]

This, like Inside Out ( worst pixar ever ...yes even worse than Cars 2)...

Oh, how dare you?

[Disney's Divinity]

Yes, Inside Out is one of the few PIXAR films I like, although REINIER has a right to his opinion. I guess the time has finally come for the forum to turn on Jennifer Lee and Pete Docter now. I guess even people who aren't that bad can't be in positions of power too long before they become the nexus of all evil.

[Kyle]

I have a feeling I'll like the human parts of the movie, but be so so about the soul wisp thing. Just once I wish we could get a movie about humans, with no transformation or super power gimmick. It'd be a way to break from the mold.

As for inside out, I enjoyed it, though I find it kind of forgetable. Not really something I feel compelled to revisit over and over.

[Farerb]

Yes, Inside Out is one of the few PIXAR films I like, although REINIER has a right to his opinion. I guess the time has finally come for the forum to turn on Jennifer Lee and Pete Docter now. I guess even people who aren't that bad can't be in positions of power too long before they become the nexus of all evil.

Well, personally I don't like that she has become arrogant. I never liked Pete Docter's output, maybe except for Monsters Inc. But what I find repulsive is the way these two defend Lasseter. What are the people who were harassed by him are supposed to make of this?

[DisneyFan97]

Hope who ever does 22s voice in Swedsih is really funny woman too !
You have to be pretty great at comdey to live to Tina Fey.

Than agian i might just watch Soul with Subtitles and skip the swedish dubbed version altogether.

But if they could find swedish voice for Dory that was just as great Ellen DeGeneres than anything is possible the dubbing of Disney movies !

[Disney's Divinity]

Well, personally I don't like that she has become arrogant. I never liked Pete Docter's output, maybe except for Monsters Inc. But what I find repulsive is the way these two defend Lasseter. What are the people who were harassed by him are supposed to make of this?

I'm just thinking this is the silver lining I didn't consider for Musker and Clements not being put in charge of WDAS; they were spared the turn from praise to hate.

[Kyle]

Its easy to throw shade when on the outside looking in. Its a lot more difficult to see things objectively when you feel you know a person personally, and they never mistreated you, possibly never even mistreated others in your presence. It causes a lot of conflicting emotions that can take many years to be open to the idea that maybe they aren't the person you thought they were. I do not blame these people at all.

[DisneyJedi]

So apparently, according to some guy on Twitter, this new movie is the next Disney film in a list of those with African American leads that are “done dirty” (in other words, transformed into a different form and not spending the whole movie as a human), along The Princess and the Frog and Spies In Disguise.

[JeanGreyForever]

Yes, Inside Out is one of the few PIXAR films I like, although REINIER has a right to his opinion. I guess the time has finally come for the forum to turn on Jennifer Lee and Pete Docter now. I guess even people who aren't that bad can't be in positions of power too long before they become the nexus of all evil.

Well, personally I don't like that she has become arrogant. I never liked Pete Docter's output, maybe except for Monsters Inc. But what I find repulsive is the way these two defend Lasseter. What are the people who were harassed by him are supposed to make of this?

Ironic coming from certain posters who are monolith of hate themselves whenever a certain Lin-Manuel Miranda's name pops up.

Pete Docter's films aren't my favorite either except for Monsters, Inc. What comments did he make to defend Lasseter btw?

Its easy to throw shade when on the outside looking in. Its a lot more difficult to see things objectively when you feel you know a person personally, and they never mistreated you, possibly never even mistreated others in your presence. It causes a lot of conflicting emotions that can take many years to be open to the idea that maybe they aren't the person you thought they were. I do not blame these people at all.

I have no sympathy for people like this. Regardless of how close they were to Lasseter, when dozens of women speak out against him, it's their job to listen and consider that the person they knew wasn't who they thought he was. This wasn't one person speaking out who can be waived aside easily, but countless people and frankly, all those close to Lasseter were probably aware of his problematic behavior from the very beginning. By continuing to defend him, all in the name of friendship, what they're doing is invalidating the experiences of those brave enough to speak out about the harassment they received and the trauma they incurred. They are complicit and part of the problem by perpetuating this cycle.

So apparently, according to some guy on Twitter, this new movie is the next Disney film in a list of those with African American leads that are “done dirty” (in other words, transformed into a different form and not spending the whole movie as a human), along The Princess and the Frog and Spies In Disguise.

Yeah, that's not going to go over very well considering how much flack PATF got and that was before the age of social media.

[Disney's Divinity]

Its easy to throw shade when on the outside looking in. Its a lot more difficult to see things objectively when you feel you know a person personally, and they never mistreated you, possibly never even mistreated others in your presence. It causes a lot of conflicting emotions that can take many years to be open to the idea that maybe they aren't the person you thought they were. I do not blame these people at all.

The fact that people want Jennifer Lee to be ashamed for vague comments about her experience with John Lasseter while simultaneously advocating for Hans’ redemption in the Frozen thread, to be in a film that hundreds of millions of children will grow up with as an example, is pretty hilarious.

And while on the subject, it’s worth mentioning that Jennifer Lee’s comments are nothing in comparison to some of the things I read in Jim Cummings’ thread here, when people were dismissing the story and slutshaming the accuser before barely anything had happened. Should those members be ostracized from society, too?

So apparently, according to some guy on Twitter, this new movie is the next Disney film in a list of those with African American leads that are “done dirty” (in other words, transformed into a different form and not spending the whole movie as a human), along The Princess and the Frog and Spies In Disguise.

That has already been known for a while, I thought? The synopsis was that he turns into a soul for most of the movie, and they even showed his soul design. I agree that it’ll probably cause controversy considering they’ve done this before, which will make people more suspicious about it.

[DisneyJedi]

Apparently, Disney is getting flack for this whole “African American lead gets turned into something and spends most of movie as that and not as a human” thing because... Well, the African American leads aren’t human for most of their screen time. And some folks see a huge issue with that.

[Disney Duster]

I forgot to say I also really enjoyed Finding Dory as well as all the Toy Story's.

Ironic coming from certain posters who are monolith of hate themselves whenever a certain Lin-Manuel Miranda's name pops up.

Hm-hm! Yup!

Its easy to throw shade when on the outside looking in. Its a lot more difficult to see things objectively when you feel you know a person personally, and they never mistreated you, possibly never even mistreated others in your presence. It causes a lot of conflicting emotions that can take many years to be open to the idea that maybe they aren't the person you thought they were. I do not blame these people at all.

I have no sympathy for people like this. Regardless of how close they were to Lasseter, when dozens of women speak out against him, it's their job to listen and consider that the person they knew wasn't who they thought he was. This wasn't one person speaking out who can be waived aside easily, but countless people and frankly, all those close to Lasseter were probably aware of his problematic behavior from the very beginning. By continuing to defend him, all in the name of friendship, what they're doing is invalidating the experiences of those brave enough to speak out about the harassment they received and the trauma they incurred. They are complicit and part of the problem by perpetuating this cycle.

Yes, I agree. Preach!

Apparently, Disney is getting flack for this whole “African American lead gets turned into something and spends most of movie as that and not as a human” thing because... Well, the African American leads aren’t human for most of their screen time. And some folks see a huge issue with that.

Well in the Toy Story's it's more about toys than humans. In Inside Out it's more about emotions than humans. In Coco it's more about, actually, souls/spirits than the color of skin the characters have when alive during the duration of the film. I wish people got that all Pixar films usually don't show the humans, or their skin color, that much, unless it's like The Incredibles and maybe some others?

[Farerb]

I don't recall that I ever defended Hans or that I want him to be redeemed. I actually thought he should have been executed because that's what you get for trying to assassinate the queen. That is if Frozen had a believable worldbuilding and not a hot mess of politics.

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't recall that I ever defended Hans or that I want him to be redeemed. I actually thought he should have been executed because that's what you get for trying to assassinate the queen. That is if Frozen had a believable worldbuilding and not a hot mess of politics.

Sorry, I was thinking about Clindor's comments about Lee in another thread when I wrote that.

Apparently, Disney is getting flack for this whole “African American lead gets turned into something and spends most of movie as that and not as a human” thing because... Well, the African American leads aren’t human for most of their screen time. And some folks see a huge issue with that.

Rightfully so. I mean, when it happens once, it can be argued as a story choice. When it keeps happening, naturally people are going to start to suspect Disney is trying to find a way to have their cake and eat it, too--having a black lead without actually showing a black character for the whole film.

[DisneyFan97]

I have a theory about how this movie might end.

After Joe awakens he is sad because will never see 22 again. Yet happy because he helped her get born !. But then it turns out his Girlfriend ( if has one or get one at the very end) is pregnant or gets pregnant and she gives birth to 22 in human from and Joe quits music to become a stay at home dad(at least until 22 starts school)

Than he ends the movie with line like "music can wait i have a more important purpose in my life for now"

I would find that ending really touching and satisfying

[Candy-Bonita95]

Omg, I was going to post an interesting video about Soul, but I'm totally lost about this whole Pete Docter and Jennifer Lee fight. Help me.

[Disney's Divinity]

Jennifer Lee made some comments about her experience working with Lasseter that people felt weren't forceful enough because she didn't acknowledge he's a monster at the end of them which means she's also a monster now and several posters want her to be cancelled. Here they are, at the top of the page. And here.

[Candy-Bonita95]

Jennifer Lee made some comments about her experience working with Lasseter that people felt weren't forceful enough because she didn't acknowledge he's a monster at the end of them which means she's also a monster now and several posters want her to be cancelled. Here they are, at the top of the page. And here.

Ok, yeah. This judgment on Lee is too harsh because there's a good reason Lee has to remain neutral. There are legal circumstances if she divulges false information. It's not like she said, "Oh yeah, he sexually assaulted young women, but he's an artist." *cough* Polanski *cough*. It's more like "He liked Frozen. He said congratulations. I'm not the best person to talk about the assault. I'm not qualified to be legally involved. Please ask someone else."

Back to the topic of Soul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi2Gb4Tt7Fc&t=681s

Summary of the video: It was great that there's more racial diversity, but it's all gone with how the main character transforms from a black pianist to a turquoise floaty blob to close to Inside Out character designs.

IMO, it is kinda a waste to recycle the Inside Out character design when the movie is centred on SOUL music and African American characters. Soul, Blues and Jazz as cultural and music movements have vivid imagery about spirituality and the afterlife. Cab Calloway in Minnie the Moocher, Baron Samedi and Green Pastures are some examples that come to my mind. We can't just go from Facilier's "Friend's on the Other Side" as a reference to Baron Samedi to Jamie Fox as an ipod nano ghost.

I LOVE Soul music, so I'm really hoping this turns out to be...at least vivid and vibrant with music. Trent Reznor is cool, but...Soul music

[Farerb]

If you thought people wouldn't notice, well...

https://twitter.com/topherflorence/stat ... 52709?s=09

[Disney's Divinity]

It was only a matter of time. And his message was funny, too.