Disney Classics that are good but you don't like

[DC Fan]

Cinderella's mother's dress is awful. I never understood why they say (in the movie) that's pretty.

[JeanGreyForever]

Cinderella's mother's dress is awful. I never understood why they say (in the movie) that's pretty.

Do you mean before the mice alter it or afterwards?

[Farerb]

In my opinion both.
Before it had a weird shape.
After it had too many ribbons.
I think they were worried it would outshine her silver dress.

[Disney's Divinity]

I love the pink dress. It’s not as beautiful as the silver dress, of course not—her silver dress is my favorite Disney dress aside from Tiana’s bayou wedding dress (fitting that they should be since they both come from a mystical--I usually consider it heavenly from my own perspective--source)—but I’ve always thought the pink dress was very pretty. I don’t even like pink. Aurora's dress only looks nice in blue and I’ve never been a big fan of any of Ariel’s dresses including the pink one. I think they wanted a 'lesser' outfit to the silver dress to show that Cinderella is a one-of-a-kind person who can carry off anything. Even in leftover rags, she’s still unintentionally more beautiful than her evil-at-heart stepsisters dolled up in (what you assume is) the best thing the stepmother could buy.

farerb, I'm not sure if it was here or the Funko thread, but you said the pink dress looked different hanging (when the mice reveal it to her) than when she's wearing it. The only thing I've noticed is different is the...I don't know fashion language --the hump things that split out from the bottom center of the waist downwards into the big bows at the bottom. They might have changed it because the silver dress also has the big, poofy hump things ( ) that go out from the waist rather than down to the bottom.

[JeanGreyForever]

In my opinion both.
Before it had a weird shape.
After it had too many ribbons.
I think they were worried it would outshine her silver dress.

The dress untouched is supposed to be from the 1820s which is the Regency period that most Jane Austen books are set in. I'm not a big fan of the fashions from this era myself. I think the dress is much improved with Cinderella's alterations. I actually like the ribbons and bows but maybe this type of dress looks better in animation than in real life. Or in real life, it would better suit a young girl than a woman.

Luckily there are few dresses that can outshine the silver ballgown even today. Cinderella has perhaps the largest wardrobe of unused concept gowns for any princess and while I like many of them, none of them touch upon the majesty of her ballgown.

[Farerb]

TBH I prefer the princesses in their peasant outfits more than in their ballgowns.

[Disney's Divinity]

I do like Belle's regular blue dress and Aurora's woodland outfit (although I prefer the blue dress). I just think it's a shame more of the princesses don't have wedding outfits. I wonder what Snow White's, Aurora's, and Belle's might've looked like if the filmmakers had showed them. At least Jasmine has the purple in the last shot of the film + the King of Thieves dress.

[JeanGreyForever]

TBH I prefer the princesses in their peasant outfits more than in their ballgowns.

I like their peasant looks about equally except for Snow White's and Jasmine's. Although the muted color scheme actually looks really good on Snow White but the actual rags are horrible to look at, and I imagine, wear. Jasmine's peasant dress is just okay but I prefer her without the scarf.

Anya is another princess who looks amazing in her peasant/orphan look. Ironically enough, in the original script, people were supposed to keep mistaking her for a boy in that getup.

[Disney Duster]

JeanGreyForever, hm. I actually find it really hard to believe that not everyone in the world prefers long hair on women. But I believe you could be right. I know women may prefer to wear their hair short, God knows if I were a woman and I wasn't pretty I would wear it short, but I feel like if they didn't have to feel or maintain long hair, they would wear it long everytime. It's true long hair was sometimes required for men, too, but it really does depend on the man for whether long hair looks good or not. I hope I'm not sounding like a sexist pig here...

I never noticed Belle's hair got longer! Ha, they did probably do that for girls. And I know Simba Toys made a Cinderella doll with long hair. I must say, I thought little girls preferred long hair so that's why it puzzled me to here Cinderella sells the most merchandise for little girls.

Yes, the difference in Cinderella's dress in the screen and on her are that the screen one has another layer of pink over the skirt and the ribbon goes all the way around the bottom instead of stopping at the bows in the front. In other words, yes the pictures you posted are what the screen dress looks like and I prefer it that way.

Oh, so in that comic of The Little Crooked Tale they are now trying to make the princesses more like their own instead of just Disney's in the new style?

That deep pink holiday dress does look good on Snow White, but I must say it just doesn't reflect her personality. I see her as pure which is why I feel she would wear blue and white with just the red cape and red slashes. I have no idea if a pale blue skirt would work or not.

Aw, well rabbits are my favorite animal so I love Thumper even as an adult! Yes, he looks like a rabbit going through puberty, lol! What is up with Japan cutting Cinderella and Belle in Fantasmic...?!

DC Fan and farerb, Cinderella’s pink dress is beautiful in the concept art for it, don’t you think?:


It’s true that Disney no doubt intended the dress not to be as pretty as the one she would wear to the ball afterward, a dress so pretty only a fairy godmother could make it. Cinderella’s silver dress also makes her look more royal and grown-up. Also, Lady Tremaine may actually not have bought anything new for Anastasia and Drizella for the ball, as when they prepare for the ball and are throwing their sash and beads away, the sisters complain they don't have nice things to wear and must wear old things. The narrator says the family fortune was squandered on the sisters and the chateau fell into disrepair. I just feel like the stepmother never left the house to buy her daughters new things for the ball because they had run out of that kind of money. Anyway, here we go again, Disney’s Divinity asked about some things that he definitely knows I could answer, but he blocks me. Well, if someone quoted and then edited my post to this part, I would be grateful:
When the pink dress is hanging, it has an extra layer of pink fabric we could call an overskirt left open in front over the rest of the skirt, and also the pink ribbon goes all the way around the bottom of the skirt instead of stopping at the bows in front. The “hump things” on Cinderella’s silver dress are collectively called a bustle, a fashion that existed in the 1880’s, when Cinderella seems to take place, and this bustle term is proven by a color-key for Cinderella:


And Snow White did have a dress designed when they were thinking about showing her wedding:


And that’s all you have to quote.

The dress untouched is supposed to be from the 1820s which is the Regency period that most Jane Austen books are set in. I'm not a big fan of the fashions from this era myself. I think the dress is much improved with Cinderella's alterations. I actually like the ribbons and bows but maybe this type of dress looks better in animation than in real life. Or in real life, it would better suit a young girl than a woman.

Luckily there are few dresses that can outshine the silver ballgown even today. Cinderella has perhaps the largest wardrobe of unused concept gowns for any princess and while I like many of them, none of them touch upon the majesty of her ballgown.

I completely agree with every word! Also, the Fairy Godmother says, “Something simple” for the silver ball gown, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t have a lot of ribbons and bows.

I actually like Snow White’s rags. Not as a pretty dress but as a good design I guess is what I mean.

[Semaj]

One nitpick I've always had about Cinderella's ballgown is that it's technically SILVER, but due to shading against the nighttime sky has always been mistaken for blue. (A meme of this sort emerged a few years ago). Not only has Disney marketing made the dress blue in merchandising, but they made it blue in the remake too.

[Farerb]

One nitpick I've always had about Cinderella's ballgown is that it's technically SILVER, but due to shading against the nighttime sky has always been mistaken for blue. (A meme of this sort emerged a few years ago). Not only has Disney marketing made the dress blue in merchandising, but they made it blue in the remake too.

And in the 2005 restoration as well.

[JeanGreyForever]

JeanGreyForever, hm. I actually find it really hard to believe that not everyone in the world prefers long hair on women. But I believe you could be right. I know women may prefer to wear their hair short, God knows if I were a woman and I wasn't pretty I would wear it short, but I feel like if they didn't have to feel or maintain long hair, they would wear it long everytime. It's true long hair was sometimes required for men, too, but it really does depend on the man for whether long hair looks good or not. I hope I'm not sounding like a sexist pig here...

I never noticed Belle's hair got longer! Ha, they did probably do that for girls. And I know Simba Toys made a Cinderella doll with long hair. I must say, I thought little girls preferred long hair so that's why it puzzled me to here Cinderella sells the most merchandise for little girls.

Yes, the difference in Cinderella's dress in the screen and on her are that the screen one has another layer of pink over the skirt and the ribbon goes all the way around the bottom instead of stopping at the bows in the front. In other words, yes the pictures you posted are what the screen dress looks like and I prefer it that way.

Oh, so in that comic of The Little Crooked Tale they are now trying to make the princesses more like their own instead of just Disney's in the new style?

That deep pink holiday dress does look good on Snow White, but I must say it just doesn't reflect her personality. I see her as pure which is why I feel she would wear blue and white with just the red cape and red slashes. I have no idea if a pale blue skirt would work or not.

Aw, well rabbits are my favorite animal so I love Thumper even as an adult! Yes, he looks like a rabbit going through puberty, lol! What is up with Japan cutting Cinderella and Belle in Fantasmic...?!

The dress untouched is supposed to be from the 1820s which is the Regency period that most Jane Austen books are set in. I'm not a big fan of the fashions from this era myself. I think the dress is much improved with Cinderella's alterations. I actually like the ribbons and bows but maybe this type of dress looks better in animation than in real life. Or in real life, it would better suit a young girl than a woman.

Luckily there are few dresses that can outshine the silver ballgown even today. Cinderella has perhaps the largest wardrobe of unused concept gowns for any princess and while I like many of them, none of them touch upon the majesty of her ballgown.

I completely agree with every word! Also, the Fairy Godmother says, “Something simple” for the silver ball gown, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t have a lot of ribbons and bows.

I actually like Snow White’s rags. Not as a pretty dress but as a good design I guess is what I mean.

Beauty standards tend to differ all over the world so I don't think it's at all implausible that some people would prefer short hair on women or long hair on men.

I love the Simba line of dolls. I don't think they still make them anymore do they? I know they did Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty (I don't think they ever called her Aurora, probably because she's better known by her fairy tale name in Europe), Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Giselle, and Rapunzel. I don't recall any Frozen line by them though. Cinderella is super iconic so not having long hair wouldn't really detract from her popularity.

Thats what I thought. I like that extra layer as well. Reminds me of how Aurora's crown has no details in most of the animation except in closeups. Or even Ariel's tale not being depicted with scales besides one brief scene in Under the Sea.

Just Cinderella and Snow White, mainly the latter, has been adapted to better suit the comic. The creators said that Snow White's animation was so old that it made her very difficult to depict next to the other princesses and not look out of palce. That's why her design was updated. Cinderella's change came more recently and I'm not sure why but I think for similar reasons. I guess it's the same reason that even in the DP franchise, all the princesses don't look identical to the movies because they a homogenous look to stand next to each other and not look out of place.

I like dark jewel tones on Snow White. Reds, pinks, dark blues (she's already wearing that anyway), or even some deep forest greens like nice on her. I've seen some merchandise which has her in royal purple which she looks nice in as well.

I doubt it's because they are less popular since all six original princesses (plus Rapunzel) are super loved there. Probably just because the other four princesses have magical villains who are tied to Fantasmic's storyline so it would be weird to exclude them. This is the lineup they use for the ships btw coming from the Disney Wiki.

Barge 1: Mickey, Minnie, Pluto, Snow White, The Prince, Dopey
Barge 2: Chip, Dale, Clarice, Marie, Aurora, Prince Phillip
Barge 3: Pinocchio, Gepetto, Jiminy Cricket, Ariel, Prince Eric, Max the Sheepdog
Barge 4: Donald, Daisy, Goofy, Aladdin, Jasmine, Abu

I think something simple suits her better than something garish and gaudy like what the stepsisters wear in the live-action film. The live-action film also kept Cinderella in simple and minimal looks. Her wedding dress in both films is the same which is why I hate the embellishments to it in A Twist in Time. The classic 1950s look is much better suited for her.

Yes, they work as a good design.

One nitpick I've always had about Cinderella's ballgown is that it's technically SILVER, but due to shading against the nighttime sky has always been mistaken for blue. (A meme of this sort emerged a few years ago). Not only has Disney marketing made the dress blue in merchandising, but they made it blue in the remake too.

This bothers me a lot and same with the change in her hair color. As farerb said, the Platinum/Diamond/Signature restoration has made the issues even more deeply entrenched in the public consciousness.

[Disney Duster]

True, beauty standards differ all over the world and throughout history.

I haven't seen every Simba Disney Princess doll. I actually just saw Cinderella Simba commercials, one with an awesome perfect carriage and an awesome castle that looked exactly like the film one on the outside and opened up. It's cool to know Pocahontas and Giselle got dolls by them.

Hm, I guess maybe it is Cinderella's iconic status that keeps girls wanting to buy her.

Yes, Aurora's crown and Ariel's tail are in similar situations as the pink dress. But they really should have animated it like it looked hanging up (and, somewhat, like the concept art I posted).

Oh, so that's why they changed Snow White and Cinderella's designs in the comic. I don't know the old web site to compare.

Yes, dark jewel tones for Snow White do work, as long as they don't cover her completely. I think that looks best in my opinion. That's why I would like a dark jewel-toned blue and red bodice, sleeves, and a cape, and a very pale blue or white skirt. Purple would probably look good on her, too. Not feeling green though.

Oh, yes, the four princesses with magical villains fit Fantasmic more.

Yes, Cinderella in simple gowns is nice. But I don't agree it's always the best. I mean, I like the pink dress concept art I showed you, and if we're talking about Cinderella the character in general, her fairy tale demands a very jeweled dress actually and I think lots of details makes sense for the one who looks the most beautiful at the ball and no one could guess she was a servant. True, the live-action film kept her simple, and actually I wish her pink dress had been as simplified as that design I drew for it. I actually like her Twist in Time wedding dress, though. I don't like it as much as the original, because that original wrap-around bodice is to die for, but I still like the Twist in Time dress.

[Marce82]

[quote="Disney Duster"]When the pink dress is hanging, it has an extra layer of pink fabric we could call an overskirt left open in front over the rest of the skirt, and also the pink ribbon goes all the way around the bottom of the skirt instead of stopping at the bows in front. The “hump things” on Cinderella’s silver dress are collectively called a bustle, a fashion that existed in the 1880’s, when Cinderella seems to take place, and this bustle term is proven by a color-key for Cinderella:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/MEVmZ1ol.png[/img]

And Snow White did have a dress designed when they were thinking about showing her wedding:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZZ4ig3Ul.png[/img]

Interesting stuff. I always noticed the difference in Cinderella's pink dress between how it's revealed and what it looks like when she is wearing it. I always assumed they were trying to keep costs down and they simplified it for when it had to be animated. In all honesty, I have always thought that dress was pretty hideous... oddly enough, I have seen re-imaginations of that dress that look much better.[/quote]

Interesting stuff. I always noticed the difference in Cinderella's pink dress between how it's revealed and what it looks like when she is wearing it. I always assumed they were trying to keep costs down and they simplified it for when it had to be animated. In all honesty, I have always thought that dress was pretty hideous... oddly enough, I have seen re-imaginations of that dress that look much better.

[JeanGreyForever]

Oops, sorry I didn't notice this post until just now!

I've seen castle playsets by Simba including the Cinderella one you mentioned as well as some for Ariel's underwater palace and Jasmine's palace. They had a Sleeping Beauty one as well but it was basically just a generic pink castle for all the princesess. Snow White had her cottage with the Seven Dwarfs which I actually used to own a long time ago. It was beautifully done and had so many cool accessories like cutlery, bowls, chairs, and even the piano/instrument that Grumpy plays and the sink that actually could pump water.

Usually the Simba line was just the classic six Disney Princesses but there was one wave that featured Pocahontas. Giselle's line for Enchanted was pretty special because it was the only Giselle doll released that featured her in her wedding dress but in animated form. The Mattel and Disney Store dolls released of wedding Giselle in the US were both of her in live-action form. Rapunzel's line I'm not that familiar with honestly.

Cinderella's pink dress doesn't feature for very long in the film so it shouldn't have been that difficult to animate it with the extra stuff but I guess not. Tbh, I don't mind the version we got in the final film either but I've always been partial to this dress. It's not really ballgown material but it's perfect for a party.

Green alone I would not like on her. However, I found a gorgeous piece of fanart which featured her in a dress that was white, blood red, and forest green and the combination of colors looked really good on her.


Disney used purple for Snow White on a paper doll once. There's also another gorgeous piece of fanart I found of her in purple.


The hand-drawn animated films for Disney generally don't feature many details on the character designs anyway so a fully bejeweled Cinderella gown would look out of place unless you go the route of live-action. In which case, I'd like something like the Kinuko Craft designs which are breathtaking.

[Disney Duster]

Marce82, yes, I think they simplified the dress for animation, but I don't see why they needed to for only two scenes practically, like JeanGreyForever said. I would love to see those "better" interpretations of it, even though I really love it as is.

JeanGreyForever, that Snow White cottage sounds so cool! A sink that can pump water!

I find the concept art I posted of the pink dress would still be a perfect ballgown.

That fanart of Snow White in red and green is stunning!!! That's one of the best looks I've ever seen for her!

I like the small picture of purple dressed Snow White. It's pretty beautiful and appropriate.

True, Disney couldn't animate Cinderella in a very complex dress, but they actually did make it very jeweled. All the sparkles on it are because it's jeweled. K. Y. Craft's Cinderella dresses are perfect, I would like those, too.

[Marce82]

As far as the change in Cinderella's pink dress.... let's not forget that the actual production for the animation for Cinderella was only 6 months (according to the making-of, and I mean animation, so no pre or post production, or inking/coloring). So there was little time/budget to go back and change things. Also, if you look at Eric Larson's rough drawings for that scene.... well... the dress looks a little different... the draftsmanship isn't very strong... let's just say the cleanup department had their work cut out for them.

About patterns or jewels on clothing for 2D animation... it can't be done. Each separate element has to be tracked and drawn in each frame, so the more detail, the more time/money it takes. The sparkles on Cinderella's silver gown are fairly abstract, and each sparkle only exists for a few frames. If she had actual solid jewels on it, they would have had to animate and track those for EVERY frame. Same reason you (almost) never see nipples on male characters, or ears on princesses. All of these elements have to remain consistent in size and be animated in perspective.

That is why it baffles me to see stuff like Esmeralda's hoop earring in Hunchback... that darn thing had to be animated by itself, and remain looking solid. But then again, Disney had way more money in the mid-90s than they did in the 50s.

[JeanGreyForever]

Marce82, yes, I think they simplified the dress for animation, but I don't see why they needed to for only two scenes practically, like JeanGreyForever said. I would love to see those "better" interpretations of it, even though I really love it as is.

JeanGreyForever, that Snow White cottage sounds so cool! A sink that can pump water!

I find the concept art I posted of the pink dress would still be a perfect ballgown.

That fanart of Snow White in red and green is stunning!!! That's one of the best looks I've ever seen for her!

I like the small picture of purple dressed Snow White. It's pretty beautiful and appropriate.

True, Disney couldn't animate Cinderella in a very complex dress, but they actually did make it very jeweled. All the sparkles on it are because it's jeweled. K. Y. Craft's Cinderella dresses are perfect, I would like those, too.

Yes, I wish I still had it!

The concept art really isn't very different from the actual movie version though. Just the extra folds for the skirt and there's more stuff on her bodice but otherwise it's almost identical.

I'm glad you like it! She looks gorgeous and this is more along the lines of how I tend to envision Snow White or the fairy tale version of her anyway.

Here's the full link to the purple dress if you want to see it in larger size with more detail. I know you can't always access Deviantart so if you can't, let me know because I couldn't find an alternate link.
https://www.deviantart.com/mizu-shimma/ ... -504937956

So are those sparkles actual crystals on her dress (like the Signature Collection doll from the 90s which has crystals on her bodice?) I always assumed it was the magic sparkles from fairy magic. I know the Disney Limited Edition doll released for the Diamond Edition also had crystals on her bodice.

As far as the change in Cinderella's pink dress.... let's not forget that the actual production for the animation for Cinderella was only 6 months (according to the making-of, and I mean animation, so no pre or post production, or inking/coloring). So there was little time/budget to go back and change things. Also, if you look at Eric Larson's rough drawings for that scene.... well... the dress looks a little different... the draftsmanship isn't very strong... let's just say the cleanup department had their work cut out for them.

About patterns or jewels on clothing for 2D animation... it can't be done. Each separate element has to be tracked and drawn in each frame, so the more detail, the more time/money it takes. The sparkles on Cinderella's silver gown are fairly abstract, and each sparkle only exists for a few frames. If she had actual solid jewels on it, they would have had to animate and track those for EVERY frame. Same reason you (almost) never see nipples on male characters, or ears on princesses. All of these elements have to remain consistent in size and be animated in perspective.

That is why it baffles me to see stuff like Esmeralda's hoop earring in Hunchback... that darn thing had to be animated by itself, and remain looking solid. But then again, Disney had way more money in the mid-90s than they did in the 50s.

The most detailed princess gown we've probably seen would be Anastasia's imperial gown from the end of the film. That has a lot of sparkles and details on her bodice and skirt which are retained even when her dress was ripped, but Don Bluth must have used CGI to augment the original animation.

Speaking of Esmeralda, those little golden coins/discs that hang at the bottom of her purple overskirt would be pretty tough to constantly animate too.

[Disney Duster]

Oh, yes you're right Marce82, about everything!

JeanGreyForever, I guess the concept art feels like it gives her a full, ball-appropriate skirt.

Yes, that Snow White is gorgeous and more how Snow White would really have looked and how I imagine her.

Thanks for the larger purple dress art, I like seeing it bigger, it's a great one. I liked their Evil Queen, too.

The sparkles on Cinderella's dress are probably actual jewels, because her dress sometimes doesn't sparkle until she moves. If it was magic sparkling, it would sparkle without depending on her movement. Also, no other parts of her ball items are sparkling except the gold on the coach and her slipper. I am pretty sure the only time there is sparkling magic on one of her ball items is when her slipper sparkles after midnight. I suspect they make it sparkle with live magic because the Fairy Godmother purposely is keeping magic on it to last past midnight, or not fit another foot, or something cool like that. In The Disney Villain, they said the Fairy Godmother leaves Cinderella her slipper. Cinderella even thanks her for getting to keep something.

In the live-action film, as well all know they did sew "jewels" into her gown and that is what makes it always sparkling.

About Anastasia and Esmeralda, you're probably right, except I don't know if they used CGI for Anastasia.

[JeanGreyForever]

Personally I felt it was that way in the original film as well.

I forgot about their Evil Queen design but that's great too.

I never thought about all those points you made. Next time I watch the film, I'll be sure to keep an eye on the sparkles on her dress. I like the idea of it being embroidered with crystals and like I said, a lot of dolls have gone that route too so you're likely right.

Anastasia's opera gown and imperial gown both feature sparkling jewelry like a necklace, bracelet, earrings, and a crown. They're constantly sparkling which doesn't seem like something they would have been able to do with regular 2D animation. Even her imperial gown has a print down the front which is always sparkling. I was watching the commentary for the film recently and they talk about how they used the computer to augment a lot so it makes sense that those sparkles would be from the computer.