Tangled (& Tangled Ever After) Discussion: Part VII

[Old Fish Tale]

I'll have to agree with Atlantica. Having a different opinion isn't the problem. You really need to learn how to assertively voice them. You're too agressive!

[Lady Cluck]

Fine I'll leave forever. Some people can't let go of the past. If anything, my "aggression" is directed at movies that aren't real. I've never gotten personal and called someone a "dreadful member of the forum" How condescending and rude.

But that post wasn't even that bad. I really don't think Tangled would work on stage and I don't think Disney cares about it anymore. Saying it's the least popular movie was obviously a ridiculous joke to be hyperbolic I don't know what Atlantica's problem is really.

Anyone who's been paying attention knows I've toned down my posts A LOT recently, but some people are still out to get rid of me. Get over it.

[disneyprincess11]

Please just stop; you're a hideous member of this forum, and I dread when a post by you is in a topic that I like to read. There are ways of expressing yourself without coming across so awfully. I never thought I'd use the 'ignore' feature, but I think I may have to in your case.

What did she say wrong? Lady Cluck was just saying her opinion. She said nothing negative about anything. But I disagree with her about Tangled not being popular. I think it is.

[Atlantica]

It's not that she said anything in particular in that one post as there are lots. I's how she comes across, as Old Fish Tale said.

Sorry if are so offended Lady Cluck; I'll just get over it as you say, and I'm certainly not 'out to get you'.

[Lady Cluck]

So you're picking on me for things that have nothing to do with what I posted, and "how I say it" is why you're taking it so personally. Got it. Seems like you're misinterpreting things or you are just out to get me

[Atlantica]

Not at all; I found how you posted your thoughts was aggressive in this particular post as I mentioned previously. It isn't however the worst of your posts, hence the reasoning behind me saying it wasn't this post in particular; was the straw that broke the camels back if you will.

I think this should be left now Cluck; I've apologised and the thread should resume to being about Tangled.

[Lady Cluck]

My post was entirely about Tangled. Stop trying to bring me in to your drama

Anyway yes back to the topic. Tangled on stage just wouldn't work because it's too much adventure scenes, the music is sub-par and not very Broadway, and the dramatic journeys of the characters aren't that compelling, with very little to be expanded on.

[Warm Regards]

Hey, I long ago said a Tarzan musical wouldn't work, but I was pleasantly surprised with the final product.

Of course, no one seems to care for that musical ... sigh.

[Avaitor]

Avoiding any drama, I have to agree that Tangled's soundtrack doesn't really have much of a Broadway punch, aside from the "When Will My Life Begin" reprisal, maybe. Especially not compared to Hunchback or Frozen, at least, which Disney currently are more interested in getting finished.

That doesn't make it a bad movie at all, but it's not like EVERY Disney film needs a stage show anyway, right?

[Lady Cluck]

Agreed. Those two are the most Broadwsy ready in terms of musical style and nuanced characters that can be expanded on. Disney may be doing something right for once.

A lot of other movies I love wouldn't work on stage either, like The Princess and the Frog for a recent example.

[Victurtle]

Sotiris, it's always easy to lament the loss of a theoretically perfect film. Just because a film has high imaginable potential however doesn't mean it ever had that potential. The fact of the matter is Tangled had gone way over its budget and was losing Disney money on each year it wasn't being made. The directors job was to salvage as much of the production already made and produce an enjoyable film as quickly as possible to prevent WDAS from being closed down by number-minded Disney execs.

Recall: at this point Disney hadn't had a critically well received CGI film, much talk occurred regarding Pixar replacing Disney Animation's future, TPATF was giving the impression that 2D wasn't competitive, and then there was Rapunzel: Glen Keane, an animator trying to direct for the first time with disastrous results.

Don't hate the directors for doing a job well done. The were asked to make the best out of a horrible situation, and they achieved that. You seem to be attacking them for not doing something they were specifically asked not to do - blow the budget out even further. You can see from Frozen that songwriters can write one song can cause the directors the rewrite the whole film. Frozen had the luxury to indulge in that, Tangled didn't.

[Atlantica]

You can see from Frozen that songwriters can write one song can cause the directors the rewrite the whole film. Frozen had the luxury to indulge in that, Tangled didn't.

Wow, thats a really interesting viewpoint to take, never thought about it like that before.

It's weird isn't it; Disney Theatrical can get it so right, then can go the complete opposite as well and have shows where we as the viewer think "…huh?!"

I think if anything were to happen, a strong possibility will be for a theme park specific show. That would be wonderful ! Would be something that could greatly help Disneyland Paris, as a huge complaint for that park is the lack of live action shows.

[Disney's Divinity]

Yes, interesting viewpoint, but I'm not sure I believe it. Moreover, I wouldn't say the directors did "a job well-done." If Tangled taught me anything, it's that apparently just about anything in 3D can be successful regardless of quality with the right promotion (ie, the horrendous trailers), no wonder WIR has almost the exact same intake. Unfortunately, WIR can't be held afloat by the Disney Princess line like Tangled. The only 3D movie they've had that's showed a genuine reaction is Frozen, which made waves beyond the normal family-viewing audience.

I wouldn't mind if they created a Broadway show for this; perhaps Menken could salvage it unless the directors will again be involved. That said, the music is mostly dull, so I wouldn't be as excited for it as Hunchback, Hercules, or Frozen. @Warm Regards: I actually liked a couple of the new songs for the Tarzan musical, and I liked Josh Strickland as Tarzan. I think the worst new songs were related to Jane and Kala, unfortunately.

[Prince Edward]

Before Disney turns Tangled into a Broadway musical, they should instead turn some of their older Menken movies into stage musicals. I LOVE Menken, but the songs from Tangled are lacking the splendor of his previous efforts. Pocahontas has beautiful music and a well known score and the songs are "very Broadway". The story might be a bit serious though, but why can't we have serious musicals as well? Hunchback works great as a stage musical for example (Disney MUST stage it on Broadway and make a cast recording!). Hercules would also have been cool - fun comedy and a lot less serious than Pocahontas, and it has a lot of catchy tunes. I also think that Mulan would be a better stage musical than Tangled.

Pocahontas, Hunchback and Hercules seems to have been partly forgotten by the public, but that is Disney's own fault and Broadway versions could help them keep the memory of those movies alive - I have never understood why Disney do not try to use more of their animated movies in merchandise etc. It seems like they have decided to promote 10 movies or so out of 50, and totally forget about the rest. Pocahontas, Hunchback, Mulan and Tarzan were big movies in my childhood and Disney should remember that many kids who watched those movies are now adult and would like to share them with their own kids. They should do something now while there still are time, so that people will still remember Pocahontas, Hunchback and Hercules in 50 years from now, like we today remember Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, Lady and the Tramp and Bambi. Anyway, END OF RANT^^

[thedisneyspirit]

People! Stop attacking Clucky, she's one of the best members of this forum. I like her attitude, and her sass, and how quick she is to call bullshit upon any of Disney's crap (unlike some members around here that seem like fucking yes men).

Clucky don't worry i support you.

As for Tangled, I also don't think it can work well as a musical. I think only one or two songs can be adaptable to Broadway, and I'm not sure how they'll manage to make the long hair work without looking incredibly cheap (aka the mermaid's roller skates on the Little Mermaid show). As for Mulan...dunno, isn't it basically a war movie? Dunno how they would make the journey and battle scenes work (unless they use interpretative dance choreography? lol)

[Kyle]

People! Stop attacking Clucky, she's one of the best members of this forum. I like her attitude, and her sass, and how quick she is to call bullshit upon any of Disney's crap (unlike some members around here that seem like fucking yes men).

But that's all she seems to do. When seemingly everything you post is calling out someone's bs it gets tiring and annoying to be around.

[Lady Cluck]

That's not even remotely true. I've praised MANY things here. I was a big fan of Frozen and I've had nothing but positive things to say about Big Hero 6 so far and those are just recent examples of things I enjoy.

Thanks for the support thedisneyspirit

[rexcrk]

I'm surprised there was so much behind the scenes drama involved with Tangled.

Well, whatever the problems... the final product is absolutely amazing. Maybe it's because I went in with extremely low expectations (I thought the trailers were awful to be honest lol), but Tangled is easily in my top 5 Disney movies. I just love everything about it. Including the songs. I always feel like I hear the majority of people say the songs are "weak". I think that "I See the Light" is amazing, definitely one of my all-time favorites. "When Will My Life Begin" + its reprise and "I've Got a Dream" are also top-tier songs. I'll admit that "Mother Knows Best" + its reprise aren't that great though. Not bad... but not my favorites.

[Disneyphile]

Donna Murphy is joining season 2 of Resurrection.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-f ... son-722145

[Disney's Divinity]

The Unshaved Mouse also reviewed Tangled, with Winnie the Pooh, Wreck-It Ralph, and Frozen coming soon.

My favorite part:

Long time ago, a teardrop fell from the sun, and instead of incinerating all life on earth, grew into a golden flower. This flower was discovered by an old woman named Mother Gothel (Donna Murphy) who found that by singing a certain song, the flower could turn her young again. How did she know the right words? Why a flower? Look, this whole sequence is pretty much a load of plotholes held together by spit and glitter glue.

I don’t agree with everything in the review, but I do agree that Maximus is one of the better sidekicks this side of TLK.