Frozen: Part V

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yanya wrote:*Awakens from cold sleep*

So, I just bought a nice 3D TV with my taxes, and wouldn't you know it, Disney. :P
I guess I can wait and make sure the 3D UK release is truly region free, or hope that my TV's 2D->3D Converter does a halfway decent job. Any waaaaaay...

*Shuffles back to pod*

... nap tiiime...
Taiwan and Mexico are both getting 3D versions and they are Region A.
So if UK is locked (which I doubt) then you always have those 2 options. Or wait for the US one. Which will probably come out in November or October. :)
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Well, this basically wraps up the Best Song Oscar for U2
http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/oscars- ... rformance/
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DisneyEra wrote:Well, this basically wraps up the Best Song Oscar for U2
http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/oscars- ... rformance/
Arn't most of the votes in already?

eh... kinda sad...
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Thought I would chime in here on Frozen. I have to confess that although I am a hopeless Disney animation fan, I have not seen any Animated Classic from a The Princess and the Frog on. Don't be too hard on me, I haven't seen Monsters U either.

Why? It's not on purpose, it's just that I haven't been compelled to seek them out in theaters or purchase them on video. The flavor of Disney Animated films has certainly changed since my Lion King loving childhood, nobody can convince me otherwise. They are more modern, more comedic, less iconic, and the music is not anywhere near as good as Sherman/Menken classics. Could it be that I'm biased? I think it's evident that the new movies are different. They don't have the emotional pull of the productions from 20 years ago.

Will I see Frozen and the other recent Animated Classics? Yes, in particular I'm interesting seeing Frozen. I'm really glad an Animated Classic is doing such amazing business. I'm interested to see the Disney film that impacted children today like The Lion King did me. It will be more lightweight, I know, but I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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Jack wrote:Thought I would chime in here on Frozen. I have to confess that although I am a hopeless Disney animation fan, I have not seen any Animated Classic from a The Princess and the Frog on. Don't be too hard on me, I haven't seen Monsters U either.

Why? It's not on purpose, it's just that I haven't been compelled to seek them out in theaters or purchase them on video. The flavor of Disney Animated films has certainly changed since my Lion King loving childhood, nobody can convince me otherwise. They are more modern, more comedic, less iconic, and the music is not anywhere near as good as Sherman/Menken classics. Could it be that I'm biased? I think it's evident that the new movies are different. They don't have the emotional pull of the productions from 20 years ago.

Will I see Frozen and the other recent Animated Classics? Yes, in particular I'm interesting seeing Frozen. I'm really glad an Animated Classic is doing such amazing business. I'm interested to see the Disney film that impacted children today like The Lion King did me. It will be more lightweight, I know, but I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Have you seen Wreck it Ralph?
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taei wrote:
Jack wrote:Thought I would chime in here on Frozen. I have to confess that although I am a hopeless Disney animation fan, I have not seen any Animated Classic from a The Princess and the Frog on. Don't be too hard on me, I haven't seen Monsters U either.

Why? It's not on purpose, it's just that I haven't been compelled to seek them out in theaters or purchase them on video. The flavor of Disney Animated films has certainly changed since my Lion King loving childhood, nobody can convince me otherwise. They are more modern, more comedic, less iconic, and the music is not anywhere near as good as Sherman/Menken classics. Could it be that I'm biased? I think it's evident that the new movies are different. They don't have the emotional pull of the productions from 20 years ago.

Will I see Frozen and the other recent Animated Classics? Yes, in particular I'm interesting seeing Frozen. I'm really glad an Animated Classic is doing such amazing business. I'm interested to see the Disney film that impacted children today like The Lion King did me. It will be more lightweight, I know, but I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Have you seen Wreck it Ralph?
If not, you should, cause it's so far away from your typical disney movie...
just a thought.
I also intend to see that one. A little further explanation on why I haven't yet:

I have to admit I've become a lazy movie fan. I rarely go to the theater. I usually either watch Netflix or buy discounted iTunes movies. There's always the exception. I just purchased The Jungle Book and Gravity for $19.99 each because I really wanted them. But it takes an exceptional film to get me to go to the theater and see it first thing.
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DisneyEra wrote:Well, this basically wraps up the Best Song Oscar for U2
http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/oscars- ... rformance/
I don't think so. Nobody even talks about that movie anymore.

I think Let It Go's closest competition is Happy, which has also been a huge best-seller. But I'm still predicting Frozen will win Best Song. It's accomplished the kind of success a Disney song hasn't received since the 90s.
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You're foolish if you think Ordinary Love is not best contender. Let It Go is U2's biggest competition, not the other way around. In a year when Nelson Mandela died, a movie about him came out, a song about his ideals written, and his mournful family coming to see it performed... only to have it not win the award? I highly doubt it. Oscars are not given out for commercial success.
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I have to disagree with the statement that the modern films are more comedic. I feel it is actually the other way round.

The Disney renaissance employed many comedians to voice major roles, for their comedic skills. Aladdin, The Lion King and Mulan, Tarzan and Hercules come to mind. Meanwhile the only comedian in employed that comes to mind since 2009 were Craig Ferguson and Sarah Silverman, the former who was employed without jokes and the latter who is very nuanced and not merely a sidekick. Josh Gad is also funny, however softer than sidekicks in the 90s.

I don't think the modern films are generally comedies either (other than Winnie-the-Pooh, but is no different to the original). They really have been focusing more of character development with really emotional settings, which seems to be a theme carried forward to the current slate of films. Tangled was about a mother daughter relationship, Wreck-it Ralph involved ostracisation and Frozen was about sisterhood. Big Hero 6 is similarly about a sibling relationship. These films definitely had heart, comparable to the rest of the Disney canon.
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Let's not forget that U2 did win at the Golden Globes for Ordinary Love over Let It Go. I also see Pharrell Williams' "Happy" being a dark horse since he's a popular musician (just won a Grammy) with a popular song from a blockbuster movie.

The only thing that makes me sad is that "The Moon Song" from Her has no chance of winning since it's the least popular song. Personally, I think that is the second best song in the category after Let It Go.
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SWillie! wrote:You're foolish if you think Ordinary Love is not best contender. Let It Go is U2's biggest competition, not the other way around. In a year when Nelson Mandela died, a movie about him came out, a song about his ideals written, and his mournful family coming to see it performed... only to have it not win the award? I highly doubt it. Oscars are not given out for commercial success.
Where are the best picture/director/actor nominations for Mandela: Long Walk To Freedom then? The Oscars may be a popularity contest sometimes, but they're not always. And Long Walk to Freedom was not a good film. Hence its only nomination being for best song.

I would say that Pharell Williams is a much bigger threat to Let it Go. As a composer/producer/songrwriter he is much more relevant an artist than U2 at the moment.
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SWillie! wrote:You're foolish if you think Ordinary Love is not best contender. Let It Go is U2's biggest competition, not the other way around. In a year when Nelson Mandela died, a movie about him came out, a song about his ideals written, and his mournful family coming to see it performed... only to have it not win the award? I highly doubt it. Oscars are not given out for commercial success.
Agreed completely. These are the exact reasons why U2 will win, unfortuanely. And not to be terrible, I honestly think inviting Mandela's family could be a huge guilt trip: "Oh, yeah, Mandela's, who freed Africans from horrible treatment and gave them equality, family is magically here where a song based on him is up for Beat Song. If you don't give U2's song based on him, you'll hurt his family's feelings." You know what I mean? And it's pretty much a giveaway that they'll win.

But, I would love them to lose after U2 were RUBBING in the Lopezs' faces at the GG ("Let It Flow, Let It Flow", "Let It Flow")
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We already talked about that - that wasn't Bono saying that. It was the presenter, Diddy. Watch the video again. The people saying Bono did it are just blind Bono haters who will go to any stretch of the imagination to make him look like an ass.

Anyway, the fact that the movie itself is not up for any awards is precisely the reason it will win for best song- because that's it's only shot. I don't get why some are arguing that because Pharell is relevant, or because Happy and Let it Go have been commercially successful is any indicator they have a better shot at the Oscar. This isn't the Grammys. Awards are not given out based on relevance or success. They're given out based on Hollywood politics more often than not. I won't say Let it Go doesn't have a chance, but it has an uphill struggle to beat Ordinary Love. I hope it does.
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Victurtle:

You sound like you have a point. Recognize that I have not seen the most recent films, but am surmising their content from the marketing.

I think if the movies are not more comedic, the marketing is very misrepresentative. It is definitely of a different tone than what I remember from 20 years ago or before. From trailers to posters, there is an emphasis on generic jokes. Compare that to the "circle of life" trailer or the painterly theatrical poster for The Lion King - those iconic pieces were much more indicative of what you would be seeing once you paid for the ticket, and arguably we're more effective.

The question then becomes: why was Frozen so successful? If the marketing was lame and it was misleading, why did it make almost $1,000,000,000?
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I decided to look back at what won the category since 2000 and most of them were indeed for commercial reasons, rather than political.

2012: "Skyfall" - Skyfall (won, because it was a hugely popular song from a widely loved movie)
2011: "Man or Muppet" - The Muppets (won, because that was both a strange year for Best Song and to honour the Muppets' legacy)
2010: "We Belong Together" - Toy Story 3 (won, because Toy Story 3 was a hugely beloved movie)
2009: "The Weary Kind" - Crazy Heart (won, because Jeff Bridges was the Best Actor frontrunner, so plenty of voters saw this movie and this song is apparently sung in a pivotal scene - Note: haven't seen this one)
2008: "Jai Ho" - Slumdog Millionaire (won, because the Oscars absolutely adored this movie. Slumdog only lost in one category)
2007: "Falling Slowly" - Once (won, because the song was a hit, there was a Cinderella story attached and the Enchanted songs likely split the votes)
2006: "I Need to Wake Up" - An Inconvenient Truth (won, because environmentalism was the big theme of that year's show)
2005: "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" - Hustle & Flow (won, because...actually, this is the only headscratcher of the bunch. It was...catchy? I dunno. :shrug: )
2004: "Al Otro Lado del Rio" - The Motorcycle Diaries (won, because I guess the movie was well-liked and there was no real frontrunner that year. Any of the five probably had equal chances)
2003: "Into the West" - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (won, because that was basically the "let's honour the Rings trilogy" show)
2002: "Lose Yourself" - 8 Mile (won, because it was a hit song and Eminem was a hugely popular musician at the time. Important to note: He beat U2, for a song that was partly dedicated to 9/11. So not the first year Bono was nominated for a song inspired by a culture-changing event. "The Hands That Built America" also won the Golden Globe)
2001: "If I Didn't Have You" - Monsters, Inc. (won, because it was a time when animated films consistently won this category and partly as a way to finally end Randy Newman's losing streak)
2000: "Things Have Changed" - Wonder Boys (won, because Bob Dylan is a very respected songwriter)

"I Need to Wake Up" is really the only song in the past twelve years that won for political reasons. And An Inconvenient Truth was a much more widely seen film than Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom. That's not even getting into the 90s where every winner was a chart-topping hit from a popular movie.
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Woo!!!
Frozen is now the highest grossing Animated movie and the 2nd highest grossing movie overall of 2013!
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SWillie! wrote: Anyway, the fact that the movie itself is not up for any awards is precisely the reason it will win for best song- because that's it's only shot.
This is why I believe U2 will win, too. But I'm not affected. It's not the first time they've awarded the wrong candidate (lest we forget Randy Newman won for that Toy Story 3 song...), imo, and won't be the last. I'm still holding out hope that "Let It Go" could win only because it does come with some amount of bragging rights, no matter how unfair the awards can be.
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Almost there!
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'Frozen' has now earned over $980 million worldwide. It will pass $1 billion before opening in Japan on March 15th.
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disneyprincess11 wrote:
SWillie! wrote:You're foolish if you think Ordinary Love is not best contender. Let It Go is U2's biggest competition, not the other way around. In a year when Nelson Mandela died, a movie about him came out, a song about his ideals written, and his mournful family coming to see it performed... only to have it not win the award? I highly doubt it. Oscars are not given out for commercial success.
Agreed completely. These are the exact reasons why U2 will win, unfortuanely. And not to be terrible, I honestly think inviting Mandela's family could be a huge guilt trip: "Oh, yeah, Mandela's, who freed Africans from horrible treatment and gave them equality, family is magically here where a song based on him is up for Beat Song. If you don't give U2's song based on him, you'll hurt his family's feelings." You know what I mean? And it's pretty much a giveaway that they'll win.

But, I would love them to lose after U2 were RUBBING in the Lopezs' faces at the GG ("Let It Flow, Let It Flow", "Let It Flow")
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The deadline for the votes are in 2 days, will it make that big of a difference?
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