Frozen: Part V

[taei]

Says the woman that gave positive reviews for Despicable Me 2, Croods, and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 this year. I mean I don't know about you guys but I think Frozen is a more "serious" movie than those three I mentioned.

I just wrote down the top 10, and frozen is number 1 on the list. (Here is the list if you are interested, didn't want to post more things on this thread)

Despicable Me 2 was slapstick humor, nothing more. It threw away any character development and focus a lot on the minions. I mean, the daughters are barely in it, and when they are, they are being underplayed by the minions or any other character.
Croods was good. I really liked it. it was visually stunning and the comedy was smart. I loved it, but not nearly as enough as Frozen.
Cloudy 2 was just food puns. No really.. It was just food puns.

[frankf3]

I thought the Croods was decent, but enjoyed Frozen much more.

Back on topic, compared to all the other animated movies this year, I think Frozen has to be considered the most "serious". I have no idea where Grace gets the idea that if people love and ignore any flaws in Frozen, Disney will not make "serious" movies.

[taei]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd7xPp_znrc[/youtube]

she talks about frozen from 02:58 to 04:20

[Warm Regards]

Grace is a very confusing lady, but I have to agree with her that in Hollywood, animation is more about how much it sells as opposed to how good it is. Of course that's a given in cinema in general. I am still waiting for the day someone produces another Waltz With Bashir here in the states.

Also, off tangent, but I saw this on tumblr. Old news (it's fake) but look at all the notes. Lots of people want to see Wicked animated.

[thelittleursula]

I don't remember anybody YouTube or anywhere saying that Frozen is for kids so we should let everything slide, she's still massively biased towards this movie, and just wants to hate on it.

She's right about the only see it once if you thought it was alright thing, that way we'll start to see less of Ice Age 5 and more new and original animated projects.

But I feel like she half said this as a way to try and stop people from seeing Frozen, since people are starting to see flick 2- 5 times in the cinema, like most people did with The Lion King.

[Musical Master]

I do wonder when Grace is going to just give it up. Everyone is in LOVE with Frozen, but a lot of them do see problems with it (so do I); the movie is a big hit now so I am going to ignore her for a long while untill she complains about a future Disney movie then we can all say: who cares?

I'm going to see it for the second time with my dad and my friend on New Year's Day.

[Super Aurora]

saw this image. it makes me fucking lol'd

[disneyprincess11]

I just realized this:

Why did Disney replace the prophecy with the Duke?

The Duke had no purpose whatsoever in the movie. Remove him and NOTHING would have changed. Yes, he send guards to kill Elsa, but I’m coming to that. If his purpose was only to hide the real villain, make them do more villainous things. If he wanted to robbed Arendelle from its goods, show us that! Don’t have him just mention it, ACTUALLY show him. If we don’t have him show that, then what’s the real point of having him in Frozen?

ON THE OTHER HAND, the prophecy actually had the point. It actually makes everything more realisic and threatening. Make Elsa more scared of being around people AND Anna because of the prophecy. Have the guards chase her out after Elsa’s powers are revealed because of the prophecy. Then, have the guards come for her later on BECAUSE of the prophecy. Have everything happen because of the prophecy. See? Unlike the Duke, the prophecy actually gives everything more meaning. Elsa being afraid. Why people would kill her. Why people would be afraid of her. Why Hans was going to kill Elsa with the sword. The trolls. EVERYTHING OUT OF FEAR. BECAUSE OF A SNOW QUEEN TRYING TO DESTROY THE KINGDOM AND THE PEOPLE. BECAUSE OF THE FREAKING PROPHECY!

Why did they replace it with a useless character?!

[dvdjunkie]

Don't understand all the negatives here about "Frozen" and whether or not it is a 'family' movie. Having just gotten back last night from our fifth "family" viewing of "Frozen", I can truly say that my six-year-old grand daughter and nine-year-old grand son enjoyed this movie as much as us four adults did. The story is easy to follow, the music and songs are just totally the best in a Disney movie in a long, long time.

I find that the direction of the movie is superb, and the editing is spot on, the characters aren't overblown like in some animated features, and I think this movie has earned its place in the realm of the Disney Animated Classics, because I truly think that when it comes to video this one is going to skyrocket the return investment.

I think Disney's marketing of the movie is questionable. They used scenes in the trailers that weren't even in the movie, or even close to what the movie was about. I hope that those scenes are included on the Blu-ray as deleted scenes or even extra extended scenes.

My six-year-old grand daughter is totally into Princess Anna, and loves Olaf. She has given us her own version of the days after the movie ends, and as a six-year-old it blows me away with the ideas she comes up with.

I will hope that before school starts again on January 6, that we get to go see this movie again, whether it is Grandma and Grandpa taking the two kids or we make time over New Year's Day to see this great Disney film at least one more time. It is truly "family" entertainment, and has reinstated my faith in Disney that they do have families in mind when they make movies.

[disneyboy20022]

I just realized this:

Why did Disney replace the prophecy with the Duke?

The Duke had no purpose whatsoever in the movie. Remove him and NOTHING would have changed. Yes, he send guards to kill Elsa, but I’m coming to that. If his purpose was only to hide the real villain, make them do more villainous things. If he wanted to robbed Arendelle from its goods, show us that! Don’t have him just mention it, ACTUALLY show him. If we don’t have him show that, then what’s the real point of having him in Frozen?

ON THE OTHER HAND, the prophecy actually had the point. It actually makes everything more realisic and threatening. Make Elsa more scared of being around people AND Anna because of the prophecy. Have the guards chase her out after Elsa’s powers are revealed because of the prophecy. Then, have the guards come for her later on BECAUSE of the prophecy. Have everything happen because of the prophecy. See? Unlike the Duke, the prophecy actually gives everything more meaning. Elsa being afraid. Why people would kill her. Why people would be afraid of her. Why Hans was going to kill Elsa with the sword. The trolls. EVERYTHING OUT OF FEAR. BECAUSE OF A SNOW QUEEN TRYING TO DESTROY THE KINGDOM AND THE PEOPLE. BECAUSE OF THE FREAKING PROPHECY!

Why did they replace it with a useless character?!

If this would have happened, I would say it actually was the best Disney film since The Lion King.

However I do think it's the closest CG film Disney has done that resembles the Renaissance Era and is an amazing Disney movie and for what it is, it's amazing

[Siren]

I bought the soundtrack and the music has grown on me a lot. Except the troll song. Still not for that.

I love the idea "true love" is not always falling in love. It is also the love for another, namely family. Anna is so desperate for love and attention that the moment she gets it, she is in love. She also knows if she can't find love and "escape", the gates will close again and she will be trapped in loneliness again. It is also a bit tongue in cheek, similar to Enchanted, about how "love at first sight" isn't always true love. Kristoff and Robert both playing the parts to convince the princesses how they may not be making the best decision. It is a far deeper story than past Disney stories, where the princess falls in love and stays in love. Regardless of no developing relationship.

And Olaf, what I originally thought was a throw away character was SO important to the story. He helped remind Anna of the forgotten past. And he also showed Elsa her power creates life. She MADE him, she created this kind and caring snowman who was alive and happy in every way. She didn't just create cold and darkness, she also created light and love.

A minor wish, but I was hoping Elsa would have created a horse or reindeer with her power. Everyone had a steed to ride but her, lol.
A more major wish, more of Elsa in her ice castle. She was all alone in there. What was she doing in that time from its creation to Anna finding her? Creating and practicing her magic? She was free to be herself, but she was still alone. How was she handling that?

Also like the idea the princess line finally has a GOOD Queen. Of course Disney has had good queens in the past, but they played minor parts as mothers to the princesses or were killed off, glossed over, etc

[Old Fish Tale]

I just realized this:

Why did Disney replace the prophecy with the Duke?

The Duke had no purpose whatsoever in the movie. Remove him and NOTHING would have changed. Yes, he send guards to kill Elsa, but I’m coming to that. If his purpose was only to hide the real villain, make them do more villainous things. If he wanted to robbed Arendelle from its goods, show us that! Don’t have him just mention it, ACTUALLY show him. If we don’t have him show that, then what’s the real point of having him in Frozen?

ON THE OTHER HAND, the prophecy actually had the point. It actually makes everything more realisic and threatening. Make Elsa more scared of being around people AND Anna because of the prophecy. Have the guards chase her out after Elsa’s powers are revealed because of the prophecy. Then, have the guards come for her later on BECAUSE of the prophecy. Have everything happen because of the prophecy. See? Unlike the Duke, the prophecy actually gives everything more meaning. Elsa being afraid. Why people would kill her. Why people would be afraid of her. Why Hans was going to kill Elsa with the sword. The trolls. EVERYTHING OUT OF FEAR. BECAUSE OF A SNOW QUEEN TRYING TO DESTROY THE KINGDOM AND THE PEOPLE. BECAUSE OF THE FREAKING PROPHECY!

Why did they replace it with a useless character?!

Oh my God, yes! I wholeheartedly agree! If that had happened, if Hans didn't seem so nice and if the last 15 minutes weren't so messy, it would have been a better film!

[unprincess]

like I mentioned in my previous post, i really hope Disney sees the success of this film and uses it as a chance to make more bolder choices in the future regarding storylines & characters, but I fear they will assume all its success is due to their "clever"(though really deceitful) marketing & that what audiences were flocking too was the comedy & boy friendly action when thats not the case at all.
Similarly I hope it wins the oscar b/c that too will encourage them to make more dramatic epic films. Like what happened after B&B won an oscar nom for best picture.

[Atlantica]

Loved that Super Aurora!

I know, Disney will think how they market things is successful unprincess Which yes, is technically true BUT it does't do any justice to the actual films themselves. Tangled and Frozen had really crap marketing campaigns, but have now both become hugely successful off the back of them. I'm glad for the success obviously, just not the way it has been marketed as.

Though it did seem Disney changed tack half way through their marketing and swapped it to 'The best film since so and so' epic trailers etc etc.

[Musical Master]

The "prophecy" is a very interesting idea but at the same time, I do understand why it was cut in favor of other plot elements that would end up in the final film.

[thedisneyspirit]

Bah, prophecies and "chosen ones" storytelling in fantasy movies is so cliche, I've come to detest it.

[Warm Regards]

I just realized this:

Why did Disney replace the prophecy with the Duke?

The Duke had no purpose whatsoever in the movie. Remove him and NOTHING would have changed. Yes, he send guards to kill Elsa, but I’m coming to that. If his purpose was only to hide the real villain, make them do more villainous things. If he wanted to robbed Arendelle from its goods, show us that! Don’t have him just mention it, ACTUALLY show him. If we don’t have him show that, then what’s the real point of having him in Frozen?

ON THE OTHER HAND, the prophecy actually had the point. It actually makes everything more realisic and threatening. Make Elsa more scared of being around people AND Anna because of the prophecy. Have the guards chase her out after Elsa’s powers are revealed because of the prophecy. Then, have the guards come for her later on BECAUSE of the prophecy. Have everything happen because of the prophecy. See? Unlike the Duke, the prophecy actually gives everything more meaning. Elsa being afraid. Why people would kill her. Why people would be afraid of her. Why Hans was going to kill Elsa with the sword. The trolls. EVERYTHING OUT OF FEAR. BECAUSE OF A SNOW QUEEN TRYING TO DESTROY THE KINGDOM AND THE PEOPLE. BECAUSE OF THE FREAKING PROPHECY!

Why did they replace it with a useless character?!

Oh my God, yes! I wholeheartedly agree! If that had happened, if Hans didn't seem so nice and if the last 15 minutes weren't so messy, it would have been a better film!

I theorize that the prophecy was removed late in the game. Like, during-animation late.

Listen to this outtake song. (Spoilers, spoilers.)

Particularly these lyrics:
And all will perish in snow and ice.
Unless you are freed with a sword sacrifice.

So the villagers had more reason to fear her, and Hans definitely had more of a reason to execute Elsa under this prophecy.

I guess they wanted Elsa to be driven by her own emotional fear.

[Musical Master]

Oh my God, yes! I wholeheartedly agree! If that had happened, if Hans didn't seem so nice and if the last 15 minutes weren't so messy, it would have been a better film!

I theorize that the prophecy was removed late in the game. Like, during-animation late.

Listen to this outtake song. (Spoilers, spoilers.)

Particularly these lyrics:
And all will perish in snow and ice.
Unless you are freed with a sword sacrifice.

So the villagers had more reason to fear her, and Hans definitely had more of a reason to execute Elsa under this prophecy.

I guess they wanted Elsa to be driven by her own emotional fear.

I think that if we have kept the prophecy sub-plot, everything in the climax would've been to predictable and I love the fact that when we hear Hans' sword unleashed, we have a shock value that this evil prince would go this far and would have no regrets about his actions.

I think the Duke in the grand end of things, is worthless other than to throw us off of who the real bad guy is, but I thought that Alan Tudyk did a very good job for the scenes he's been given.

[taei]

I read something on tumblr that made me realize this:

Elsa has always been locked away, always behind a door.
So when she finally freed herself, she never opened that door. She just created a new door to hide behind.

Man, the theme of doors is cool. Kinda interesting when she sings let it go and in the end she just shuts herself in.

Also...

"Can't hold it back anymore" = building Olaf. It's one of my favorite scenes because she wants to build a snowman!! reference to Anna constantly singing.

Well... we know one thing that disney can put in the trailers in their next movie:

From the studio that brought you Frozen.

And if "Let it go" wins best song: Featuring (number) new songs from the academy award winning lyricists and composers of Let it Go.

[Old Fish Tale]

But the prophecy would make everyone's motivations clearer and that's always a good thing in my book. By the way, remind me again: the prophecy was only mentioned in the first synopsis of the film, right?