Once Upon a Time (ABC TV Series)

[Atlantica]

Was Silvermist really in Wonderland ? Had no idea they would include a friend of Tink in either show.

[bruno_wbt]

Was Silvermist really in Wonderland ? Had no idea they would include a friend of Tink in either show.

Yes! She was the fairy from the lake, which makes sense since Silvermist is a water fairy. (And she also had blue wings and black long hair)

It surprised me a lot, too.

[Atlantica]

Wow, that really is interesting news ..... Would never have expected that ! Am very pleased though.

Please let them take it as a sign not to cancel the series

[moviefan2k4]

Well, tonight's episode was very interesting. So far, Season 3 has been really creepy, more so than I expected for sure. Peter Pan being evil is definitely a strange twist, but it makes a weird sort of sense when you think of someone trapped with both the body and mental state of a child. Other than "mommy" and "daddy", the two words most kids pick up on real quick are "no" and "mine"; this season's just taken that to a very intense extreme.

[Disney's Divinity]

I thought they had said that Regina wasn't going to be Ursula? I mean, I guess it's better that she's Ursula than Ursula being a complete throwaway, but I'm still disappointed. Especially considering how good they've done in casting/portraying Jafar, the Queen of Hearts, and the Queen, and I like them all much less as villains go. I guess they don't have much room for Ursula when you consider that Pan, Regina, and Rumplestiltskin all have the "price of magic"/"I'll offer you a deal" act already.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling I'll have less interest in the show after TLM is done, but I'll still watch until the end. I'm a bit disappointed considering TLM could've been woven into the narrative nicely, but oh well.

[milojthatch]

When some of the 'Swan Queen' shippers got upset when Jennifer Morrison said 'Absolutely not' to the prospect of Regina and Emma having a relationship in that way, Adam and Eddy said that may be in the future for some of the characters from Once, just not those two.

Take from that what you will.

I'm really worried this is coming, and if it does, my wife and I have decided to stop watching the show.

She is quite clearly a lesbian. Suggesting that this is inappropriate for a children's show is DISGUSTING, especially when Once Upon a Time already has plenty of "adult" themes. This is 2013.

No, what's disgusting is how many people agree with you. I don't care if it's 2013 or 2113, wrong will always be wrong and right will always be right. Pushing homosexual themes into a family show (let alone a Disney show) is more than disgusting. I can just see poor Walt rolling over in his grave right now! Clearly, this ain't his company anymore, he'd never have been ok with this.

[bruno_wbt]

No, what's disgusting is how many people agree with you. I don't care if it's 2013 or 2113, wrong will always be wrong and right will always be right. Pushing homosexual themes into a family show (let alone a Disney show) is more than disgusting. I can just see poor Walt rolling over in his grave right now! Clearly, this ain't his company anymore, he'd never have been ok with this.

Are you for real? I thought people who think like you were extinct years ago…
I can't believe I just read that…

Thank God, Disney thinks otherwise these days. We are going to see a family with two mothers in a Good Luck Charlie episode soon on Disney Channel.

[DancingCrab]

milojthatch has been pouting his hatred for homosexuality on this board for years. It's going to take more than message board debating to change his opinion on the matter. If you look hard enough, you'll still find refugee KKK members, nazi skin heads etc. out there still spouting their hate for certain kinds of people no matter how much the mainstream condemns their behavior. The good news is, people with thoughts like him ARE shifting toward being the minority if not already on that side of the fence. It's best to just roll your eyes and not pay them much attention.

[The Little Merboy]

When some of the 'Swan Queen' shippers got upset when Jennifer Morrison said 'Absolutely not' to the prospect of Regina and Emma having a relationship in that way, Adam and Eddy said that may be in the future for some of the characters from Once, just not those two.

Take from that what you will.

I'm really worried this is coming, and if it does, my wife and I have decided to stop watching the show.

She is quite clearly a lesbian. Suggesting that this is inappropriate for a children's show is DISGUSTING, especially when Once Upon a Time already has plenty of "adult" themes. This is 2013.

No, what's disgusting is how many people agree with you. I don't care if it's 2013 or 2113, wrong will always be wrong and right will always be right. Pushing homosexual themes into a family show (let alone a Disney show) is more than disgusting. I can just see poor Walt rolling over in his grave right now! Clearly, this ain't his company anymore, he'd never have been ok with this.

You're ignorant, enough said.

[WonderNeverOz]

She is quite clearly a lesbian. Suggesting that this is inappropriate for a children's show is DISGUSTING, especially when Once Upon a Time already has plenty of "adult" themes. This is 2013.

Reported this message. This is unrelated to the topic, since girls liking girls is something normal.

I wish they showed some signs that Mulan liked Aurora though, before everything happened. I think that would have made me go deeper into Mulan's feelings then.

[Sotiris]

While I get the appeal of introducing a gay character, I think Mulan probably is the worst choice because it's so cliche ie, strong, non-conforming woman = lesbian. What sort of message does that send? If you are gay you have to be badass? Or if you are strong/tough, you must be gay?

While choosing Mulan to be their first LGBT character on the show was a bit safe and conventional, I'm still glad they did so because there's very little representation of gay women in the media. Also, I never found Mulan's portrayal as stereotypical so their choice didn't bother me. Let's not forget, there are lesbians who are more masculine, and I find it positive they're being represented without being reduced into caricatures.

I can't look up the episode, but I swear during the early episodes of the 2nd season Mulan had a love triangle with Aurora and Phillip, and it was hinted that she loved Phillip because she very badly wanted to search for him.

The show has been very inconsistent with plot themes and character arcs and I often get the feeling they're making it up as they go along. I think they weren't planning on making Mulan gay back then. It was an afterthought. One could suggest that Mulan wanted to save Philip so badly for Aurora so she could be reunited with her love and be happy. Of course, there's the other scenario that Mulan is bisexual and she's in love with both of them like most of the press is claiming. But even if Mulan were bisexual, I find it hard to believe she would be in love with both of them at the same time. I wish the creators would finally speak up and clear the confusion regarding Mulan's sexuality.

And what does children watching this have to do with anything? Are you afraid little girls are going to be scarred by seeing a woman confess her love to another woman? If children are watching Once Upon A Time, they are already seeing a lot more mature content than that.

I fully agree.

I don't care if it's 2013 or 2113, wrong will always be wrong and right will always be right.

You shouldn't present your personal beliefs as undeniable truths. Just because you or your religion claim something is "wrong", it doesn't magically become fact. Anyone can easily argue otherwise.

Pushing homosexual themes into a family show (let alone a Disney show) is more than disgusting.

Setting aside your personal beliefs about homosexuality, the above statement is factually incorrect. "Once Upon a Time" is NOT a family show. It's aimed at adults of 18-49 and features many adult themes such as adultery, violence, and murder. It's not different than any other show on ABC. It's highly hypocritical of you to find those themes suitable for children (since you claim it's a family show) but not the homoerotic themes.

[moviefan2k4]

I don't care if it's 2013 or 2113, wrong will always be wrong and right will always be right.

Agreed.

You shouldn't present your personal beliefs as undeniable truths. Just because you or your religion claim something is "wrong", it doesn't magically become fact. Anyone can easily argue otherwise.

Translated: "Truth is in the eye of the beholder, and I decide what's true for my life." That line of selfish, egocentric thought has led to more destruction than almost anything else on the face of the planet. Whether we agree or not, some things in life are true for everyone; you can't have it both ways. Either a higher moral standard exists beyond human opinion, or it doesn't.

[SWillie!]

Hahaha well, this should be fun to watch.

Enjoy the wrong side of history, milo and moviefan.

[Disney's Divinity]

Can you two just start an anti-gay forum and take the nonsense out of this thread (or forum)? "Egocentric" is definitely the right word.

I hate to think what the reactions would be if there were an interracial couple. They must've missed the episode where Cinderella was an unwed mother somehow.

That line of selfish, egocentric thought has led to more destruction than almost anything else on the face of the planet.

Not more than the destruction caused by religion, I'm sure. I don't think pro-gay sentiments have caused wars.

[Elladorine]

A note to all before this thread gets too off-topic: it's not wise to run around and declare people to be "disgusting" just because they have different beliefs and live a different life than you do; hate speech is not only rude but it's against our rules (please refresh your memory over rule #20 if needed).

That line of selfish, egocentric thought has led to more destruction than almost anything else on the face of the planet.

No; what has led to the destruction you speak of is forcing one's selfish, egocentric thoughts onto others to the point of causing pain, stripping basic human rights, and taking away lives all for the sake of some abstract, ideal set of beliefs. And for what? Morals consist of evolving, ever-changing beliefs that do little more than enforce control and supposed superiority. Everyone has their own personal set of morals that may or may not have anything to do with religion, as it depends mostly on their culture and the environment in which they are raised. Which is actually fine as long as nothing is done to interfere with the rights of others. And that is why, at least in the US, we're supposed to have the separation between the church and the state.

Don't forget that once upon the time it was widely accepted to believe that women were lesser people than men and that some races were lesser people than others. And while some sadly continue to hold on to those antiquated beliefs, it's no longer widely accepted to treat people as property, segregate them, or to disallow mixed-race marriages. I do hope that the prejudice against sexual orientation will someday be considered a sad relic of our past as well, because seriously, how exactly do homosexuals impose upon the rights of others? I'm sorry, but regardless of one's beliefs, pointing to an ancient book that also refers to women as property doesn't excuse anyone to so harshly judge what consenting adults do.

If we were to concentrate on helping each other and those in need rather than waste time berating those that are different yet doing no harm, perhaps the world would be a much better place. So just smile and be glad that we're free to enjoy a piece of entertainment just as easily as we can turn it off for being offended.

[disneyboy20022]

I'm just going to state a couple things and I'll be done as I'd like to try to get back on topic here

For the longest time, it was actually considered a sin for an interracial couple to marry and that hasn't been upheld anymore. Everyone deserves their happily ever after, no matter what their preference in gender is or isn't


To get back on topic

It will be interesting to see what Hook does with the news that Neal is alive. Also when Pan and the lost boys lifted Neal up into a cage there was another one. My bets are on it being Tinkerbell, though if not her, perhaps Rumpelstiltskin

[disneyprincess11]

Always wanted to do this

[Atlantica]

Ummm this thread has slightly derailed somewhat ....

Could we just shift it back to 'Once' please ?

I don't know if this is just me, or does Ursula sound like Sebastian ?! With the 'Heyloooo Arielll'

[disneyboy20022]

Ummm this thread has slightly derailed somewhat ....

Could we just shift it back to 'Once' please ?

I don't know if this is just me, or does Ursula sound like Sebastian ?! With the 'Heyloooo Arielll'

I thought that Ursula was actually Regina in Disguise...however yeah that accent does sound more like Sebastian than Urusula

[Disney Duster]

Since it was heavily hinted that Mulan loved Phillip earlier in the show, but they do seem to make up things as they go, we will have to wait to know if Mulan really loved Aurora instead. I wish the creators would tell us already, as someone said here earlier.

Anyway, what's this I'm hearing about Jafar in this series? I don't remember him. Or is he in Once Upon a Time in Wonderland? Has Cora shown up there yet? And where was Ursula? My TV recording might have cut off the part where they showed a preview of her?

By the way I don't consider what milojthatch said to be breaking the forum rules, but maybe that's just me.

But to milojthatch I say, the show that had people killing by taking people's hearts out, even their own fathers', or killing whole villages, or wanting to kill children, or cheating on their spouses didn't bother you but someone loving another person is what makes it not family and you have to stop watching?! Loving another person is not wrong. It feels right and God makes us feel so it feels he is ok with it. And Walt Disney may have been okay with it since Walt was okay with Tommy Kirk, the young man in his movies that was gay, and he always chose to go with what most people considered acceptable these days and today homosexuality is more accepted.