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I've been sort of debating how to handle your posts, Big One. I have to say, I have really been enjoying your reviews (not <i>all</i> the mods lack a sense of humor, Super Aurora) and I also like the amount of discussion that they have garnered. Frankly, you have been putting a lot more effort in these posts than I have seen in a long while so I thank you for that!

Now that I've seen people complain about feeling uncomfortable, however, I need to act upon my first inclination and ask you to tone it down a little. All I request is that you try and keep it PG-13. I think you're intelligent enough that you can handle that without compromising your writing too much, right?
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pinkrenata wrote:Now that I've seen people complain about feeling uncomfortable, however, I need to act upon my first inclination and ask you to tone it down a little. All I request is that you try and keep it PG-13. I think you're intelligent enough that you can handle that without compromising your writing too much, right?
That'll depend on whether something as bad as Cinderella II pops up in my marathon. ;) I'll tone it down.
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BwayJ wrote:
Super Aurora wrote:
Wait...WAT?!
Back when Disney was developing an Atlantis TV show before the movie flopped, they wrote and recorded an episode that featured Demona as a character. The show was cancelled and they did not include that episode in Atlantis II: Milo's Return, but Greg Weisman would play the audio of it at the Gathering of the Gargoyles and included a reference to it in the Gargoyles comic book.
Well, that stinks. I probably would have LIKED to see an Atlantis/Gargoyles crossover. :(
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Mulan II is the strangest Disney sequel movie I've encountered yet. It's one of those movies that has some of solid elements to it, and remains consistent to the original in almost every manner whatsoever, but has a lot of moments that make one ask, "WHY?" that pretty much detract from any possible good thing to say about it. Let's begin...

The Bad:

There's a lot I like about Mulan II, but I'm forced to start with the bad aspects because there's just so much to talk about, which is unfortunate cause I really wanted this to end up being a good one like a lot of the other sequels I've seen lately, or at least be as decent as Bambi II.

Humor - Oh my god is the humor in bad in this. All of the jokes, ALL OF THEM. Okay, well, some of them were funny. When Mushu was playing shadow puppets to trick Shang, that was kind of funny in how stupid it was. Oh god, Mushu...

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Mushu ruins this movie. Everything about the character in Mulan II sucks, everything. Nothing is amusing about this piece of pencil-waste. An animator actually drew hundreds of frames featuring the animation for this character, and I have condolences for him and his family for putting him through this pain-staking process for...this.

Now while I want to completely express why my hyperbole is legitimate at this point of the review, I first have to explain that I never really liked Mushu. In the original Mulan, Mushu wasn't really all that funny, but he wasn't painful to watch like some other character:

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But despite being annoying, Mushu wasn't that bad in Mulan.

Mulan II is a different story. Mushu has been twisted into a twisted, selfish villain who, while deserving to get all of the punishment in the world, gets rewarded at the end. I get that he saved China, but to not let yourself be punished is dishonorable. Mushu did wrong and he really didn't learn from it at the end. Mushu is a whiney little twat in this movie, and should've been stuck with the waking-up duty at the end as punishment. What a goddamn dick, for real. Who thought it was a good idea to turn a comic relief character into a villain? Seriously, WHO?!

What's worse is that he isn't menacing as a villain whatsoever, just plain annoying. Mushu has been officially ruined in Mulan II, and what's worse is that the whole movie focuses on his plot alongside the plot of Mulan and Shang struggling with their marriage. Every antic Mushu did in Mulan II wasn't funny, but rather infuriating in how stupid the damned reptile is.

Oh...this guy.

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No seriously, what's his name? Everytime I see him, I have to look it up in wikipedia. His name is Ling, oh right, that guy...

This guy is just...grating. Mygod. So ridiculously unfunny. That's his thing, right? Unfunny unless a life-risking accident happens to him?

...Right? He sure is funny! Man I could go on about how funny he is, man Mulan II is practically a masterpiece of HILARITY! Man did I have fun with my family when I watched this! The story is truly deep too.

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By the way, why don't you guys buy the Disney Princess Mulan Figurine Set from Toys-Games-Store.com? It'll be great for your daughter!

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Don't let your daughter's tears soak her face when you tell her you can't buy her Disney Princess Mulan Rag Doll from Amazon.com, cause I got a link right here. Just click on the picture and you can buy it for your daughter or a friend or family member!

Oh look, my paycheck came in, I wonder what's inside...







































































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The Meh:

Story - The whole concept of the story begins by being unappealing to me. The idea is that Mulan and Shang are finally getting married, but they're going to have a rocky road ahead...umm, okay? Sure, whatever...

No really, WHAT'S THE POINT?

The original Mulan wasn't really about love, nor was the idea of Mulan and Shang being together that interesting. Mulan was a great character-driven movie; the titular star Mulan herself was really interesting. She was empowering, and broke the boundary of what a women's role should be in her society. Her character arc was really well developed and was even more-so heartwarming and convincing. Once that was over, she really had nothing left to other other than a satisfying ending to a great movie.

Mulan II tries to say otherwise, and tries to expand on stuff we didn't really care about in the original Mulan. It's more like a side-story, in fact, rather than a feature length feature film, but it tries so hard to be when it could've just been a 30-minute special that cut out all of the fluff as a supplement to the original movie. This movie was too long for what is was, and wasn't really satisfying after the credits rolled.

Characters - None of the characters in this movie are compelling or interesting. I've already deconstructed Mushu, and deconstructed why Mulan's story isn't really that interesting anymore, so I guess I gotta focus on the three central side characters: Yao, Ling, and Chien-Po. Mulan II decides to take it's liberties with the original and tells you that these comic relief characters deserve expansion they didn't deserve whatsoever.

This ties back into the Humor aspect. While I did make fun of Ling, they're all guilty of this, just...Ling is guilty the most. Nothing these guys do in this movie are funny, nor do they really deserve to fall in love with some pretty cute princesses. It's just a really lame and hamfisted attempt at, "Hey Mulan is developing, so these guys can TOO." None of these guys had a real purpose in the movie. The movie should've just had the three princesses get all hot for Shang and have Mulan get jealous for them or something. That would've been funny and cute rather than putting us through with all of this shit.

The Good:

There's some good about it. As I said in the opening paragraph, Mulan II is consistent with the original in just about everything. Animation quality, voice cast, characters, and really almost everything. The movie has good production values so I gotta give it where credit is do. However, much like the original Mulan, animation really isn't it's strong suit. The animation is good but nothing of the usual Disney caliber, for both movies to be honest.

The sisters are pretty damn cute too:

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Conclusion:

There's very few things I liked about Mulan II. This movie could've been at least decent if it wasn't for the humor and the very meh elements to the movie. The humor RUINS the movie, I hate to say, since that's basically what drives the whole plot into course. It's just a really unfunny, boring movie with good production values, some cute characters, destroyed Mushu, and really...just pointless. There isn't much to say about it other than that.

4/10

Up next: The Return of Jafar and Aladdin and the King of Thieves
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Do you want to know the one thing more painful than watching all of these Disney sequels?

Reading your foul mouthed, agressive rants about them.

Seriously.
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ichabod wrote:Do you want to know the one thing more painful than watching all of these Disney sequels?

Reading your foul mouthed, agressive rants about them.

Seriously.
Then this thread clearly isn't for you, maybe you shouldn't post or read my reviews. Your post is practically spam.
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Big One wrote:Then this thread clearly isn't for you, maybe you shouldn't post or read my reviews. Your post is practically spam.

Yay you managed a post without any bad language in it.

Well done to you.

Now where did I leave my evil grin..

Oh here it is.

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I haven't seen Mulan II in forever, but I had mostly the same thoughts. Of course, I personally liked Mushu in the original, but here he was just annoying. Don't get me wrong, I actually liked the storyline they had for him, but it wasn't executed very well. I'm glad when they give the sidekicks more to do in the story so they aren't "sidekicks" (reason why I liked the Iago arc in Return of Jafar and Anastasia in the Cinderella sequels). I'm not sure if he's supposed to be a "villain" exactly--so you weren't supposed to be afraid of him--but one of those grey characters. He was like that in the first movie, too, when Mulan should've had a real guardian, but he wanted to prove himself (she could've died, since his track record wasn't that good. :lol: )

That being said, I definitely agree that the movie felt like one overlong TV show. And you didn't mention the song, the one that gets sung over and over, and which sounds like complete crap. Ugh. I hated that song more than anything else about the movie.

Ariel's Beginning was the same way. It's a really boring movie. I think I might've liked it more if they could've got Kenneth Mars back. :roll: I really loved the score to that one scene though, where Ariel runs aways from home. And I for one actually liked Marina, barring the climactic scene where she's in army gear. :lol:
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Re: Cinderella II: Dreams Come True - Review (NSFW)

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Music - OH MY GOD, THE MUSIC! God is all of the music in this horrible, like literally the worst music I've ever seen in ANY Disney film. It isn't just "popish," it's badly sang, has no rhythm, and isn't memorable whatsoever. What's worse is that the credits song is a hip-hop style romp for no real reason. I take back what I said about the music in Bambi II and Return to Neverland, this definitely takes the cake for being utterly disgusting and awful to the ears. Don't believe me? Listen to this garbage:
Actually, I disagree that this is some of the worst music I've ever heard. That's not to say it's in any way almost okay. It's more surreal and shockingly stupid than anything. I suspect you're only saying it's the worst music because it's in a Disney film. Which I don't blame you for in the least. Corporate Disney's cheapness is sickening. Maybe if I had the guts to subject myself to this kind of thing, I might have to agree with you point-blank. Maybe someone else does, but not me. I'd rather watch a film about a girl with teeth in her vagina munching off the connecting pieces of her abusive suitors or a women in a whorehouse being hung by their ankles while having burning hot reeds shoved under their fingernails. We have Christina Aguilera, Britney, and the Legally Blonde soundtrack to thank for these "compositions," methinks. Actually... I will say this: the hip-hop one's actually not so bad - I have nothing to lose saying this, since no one here will ever buy these songs. Maybe some little girls will want 'em, but... I'm not so sure.

Big One wrote:
Disney Duster wrote:I am coming into say a few things.

The first is that I am ask you, to please, please, curb your language a little bit. Your last post was okay (except for the non-bleeping of the f and s words) but a lot of lasts post mention horrible things that or morally evil and disturbing and are far more offensive than anything I have written. If you don't find that to be so, at least consider this: You are writing reviews on a public forum. I am not asking you to censor art. I am asking you to write your hilarious reviews without depending on the most grotesque and offensive language, since they are reviews on a public, Disney forum where a lot of tweenagers and more innocent-minded people read.

So please, even if I have to beg, please edit some of the worst things of your last posts (like about miscarriage and dog-shooting-and-raping) and stick to the humor that actually makes fun of how bad the movie is instead of outrageous hyberbole for your own reactions to them which are just too offensive. And then in the future, just please be mindful of your language and descriptions.
Disney Duster, I put NSFW in my two curse-word and gore-heavy reviews for a reason. Not Safe For Work. I can't say I didn't warn you.
Maybe you can't....

but I can.

Here's the date you made the infamous Cinderella II review (evidence highlighted in red) :
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The date and time you replied yesterday and where you made the statement I quoted you saying above (I've also highlighted the fact that it's the one where you replied to Disney Duster at the bottom) :
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And the bottom of the Cinderella II review:
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Same exact day as your reply 3 days after the Cinderella II review, same hour - 6 minutes after you said that you warned everyone, you edited the post. One time. It looks to me like that edit was to put in the "NSFW" tag. Which would mean that nobody was actually warned on the day. Am I better than those punks on Scooby Doo, or what?

However, I do see that the Little Mermaid III review was appropriately branded on the 11th. I'm not saying it wasn't a simple mistake.

And as for being offended or anything, as I hope you can tell at the top- I'm not. Although, listening to Lords of Acid's "Acid Queen" (filled with S&M samples with a man shouting at a woman in a demeaning way) while reading it makes it easier to be disheartened at the really nasty imagery. (The part about shooting the dog was the hardest thing to take.) We all have that one thing that pushes us over the edge. For me, I think I've known there's nothing sacred to Corp-Disney (here's hoping the term becomes a shorthand on UD) for quite some time. My ultimate don't-press button in entertainment is: remakes. What I've really enjoyed here are the replies. Especially from Skippy!
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Disney's Divinity wrote:I'm not sure if he's supposed to be a "villain" exactly--so you weren't supposed to be afraid of him--but one of those grey characters. He was like that in the first movie, too, when Mulan should've had a real guardian, but he wanted to prove himself (she could've died, since his track record wasn't that good. :lol: )
No it's different here. In Mulan II, he schemes throughout the movie. He was just a sidekick in Mulan. He isn't grey, he's a straight up villain, and a lame one at that to be honest. If you rewatch it you'll see what I mean. Mulan II didn't really have any real villains in it in general so they kind of shoved the Mushu storyline for the sake of having an antagonist character.
Disney's Divinity wrote:That being said, I definitely agree that the movie felt like one overlong TV show. And you didn't mention the song, the one that gets sung over and over, and which sounds like complete crap. Ugh. I hated that song more than anything else about the movie.
I didn't notice anything about the songs, they were pretty normal to me. Nothing that left an impression which is sad cause the music in Mulan was pretty memorable.

But I don't think this is structured like an overlong TV show, I just think it feels more like a side-story that went way too long than it needed to. If the story of Mulan getting married has to be told, at least don't pad it with a bunch of annoying filler. Make it twenty minutes and just compile it in DVD releases of the original Mulan
Disney's Divinity wrote:Ariel's Beginning was the same way. It's a really boring movie. I think I might've liked it more if they could've got Kenneth Mars back. :roll: I really loved the score to that one scene though, where Ariel runs aways from home. And I for one actually liked Marina, barring the climactic scene where she's in army gear. :lol:
Marina was funny at times (like the point you mentioned), but I don't think she was that strong of a villain and her place in the movie was pointless to be honest. The movie should've just focused on Ariel and Triton's relationship and it could've been a strong character driven movie.

@ Lazario The edit was just of a typo I found the other day. But to be fair, I originally DIDN'T have the "NSFW" mark but I changed it so quickly that no one should've noticed. ;)
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Marina SHOULD have been Ursula!

Disney missed a GREAT opportunity to finally explain the backstory of her being banished from the Kingdom. Not only would it have given the film a stronger villain, it would have tied the films together without having to have the plots connected TOO much. I also think it would have added more weight to the Triton/Ursula relationship to have had her somehow indirectly responsible for his wife's death. Alas, the film is just a dragged out plot that would have worked better as an episode of the series.


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The Return of Jafar + The King of Thieves - Review

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This'll be my very first double review, because I feel like The Return of Jafar really doesn't deserve much of a review, so I'm packing it into this post.

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The Return of Jafar is the first sequel I'm at a lose of words on. It isn't horrible by any means, but it's still pretty damn bad. The problem with this movie is that, simply, barely anything happens in it to talk about.

I'm aware The Return of Jafar is meant to be a prequel to the animated series. In a lot of ways, it works very well as that. As a movie, however, it really doesn't.

The Bad:

Humor - None of the jokes in this movie are funny, which while I thought Genie was annoying at times in Aladdin, he takes it to the next level here by not only being annoying but having some really unfunny jokes. This whole movie relies on humor, and this is it's biggest downfall. The whole character arc of Iago is completely humor based, who while at the end redeems himself for kicking Jafar's lamp into the lava at a time where his death felt immanent, that doesn't make up for the hour and 5 minutes the movie encompasses where he isn't like that.

Iago really doesn't deserve what he was rewarded with in the movie, though I guess they had to set up all of this shit for Aladdin TV series...

The Good:

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Jafar's new design is pretty cool. He really steals the show of The Return of Jafar, which is no surprise cause his name is in the movie rather than Aladdin's. All of his new genie powers are enjoyable to watch, and to see him get creative with them throughout the whole movie rather than at the end of a movie like Aladdin was justfun to watch.

But that is alternatively one of the biggest problems with this movie. The movie tries too hard to develop Aladdin and Jasmine as characters and end up falling flat, when the story was mainly about Jafar and Iago.

It also has some really nice Action sequences in the final bits of the last two acts.

Conclusion:

As I said in the opening sentence, I don't have anything really to say about The Return of Jafar because, truly, this is a movie where literally nothing really happens. This is really disappointing, as after Cinderella II: Dreams Come True and The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea - which are so bad yet have so much to say - this movie is just bad and doesn't have much to talk about. It's a movie about Jafar, and that's all that can be said. It's full of unfunny jokes after unfunny jokes, badly developed characterization, and really just...nothing. They should've just called this Aladdin: Hijinks Ensues cause that's basically what this movie is in it's most concentrated form. Some people may enjoy the fact that Iago is the main focus of the movie, but I don't. He really isn't funny nor does he really deserve to be added amongst the main good-guy cast of Aladdin. And that, my friend, is The Return of Jafar. It isn't worth watching if you're a fan of Aladdin, but it is worth watching if you're planning on watching the Aladdin TV series I guess.

4/10

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Aladdin and the King of Thieves is a drastically different story from The Return of Jafar. While this movie wasn't as good as the original Aladdin, and is in no way a masterpiece, I'm shocked it's rated so lowly on many sites as I think this is a great supplement to the original Aladdin much like how The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning is to The Little Mermaid. While the story itself, in concept, feels like it doesn't need to be told, when you watch Aladdin and the King of Thieves it becomes something very convincing and provides a good ending for Aladdin's story.

The Good:

This is a movie where I can't help to say nothing but good things. After watching it I was pleased with the result, and found the movie to be quite touching. While I think the ending could've been wrapped up better than it was, the movie was really well-written and worthwhile, I felt.

Story/Characters - Well the first thing that's really great about Aladdin and the King of Thieves is it's story and characters. As I said in the opening paragraph, in concept it isn't very appealing. Who really cares about Aladdin's backstory anyway? It's already established that he's a thief with a heart of gold, who wants to escape from his thieving ways for a better life. His goes through a character arc in the original Aladdin that establishes all went well for him and Jasmine at the end, so in all honesty there isn't much left to the established character.

Aladdin and the King of Thieves destroys this notion but turning Aladdin into a different character by placing him in a completely different story, and it works effectively in the hyper-Arabian world of Agrabah that already barely has a resemblance to the original Aladdin story in setting, style, and tone. It works cause the setting itself is quite unique and original, but unfortunately falls under the trope of what I call "It's all the same shit." in connecting the two really different stories from 1001 Arabian Nights.

Now when I say turning Aladdin into a "different character" I don't exactly mean his personality, I mean all of a sudden his backstory is attributed to something even greater than we thought, that is related to a different character: Ali Baba (as we all know). This works really well with the movie, cause it makes Aladdin's backstory much more interesting than it needs to be. We're suddenly introduced to these group of characters called the 40 Thieves, lead by Cassim, who turns out to be Aladdin's father and the "King of Thieves." Throughout the whole film, Aladdin and Cassim interact with each other in a very dynamic and interesting way. Aladdin has matured from his old thieving ways, but is still young; Cassim - on the other hand - has matured in age, but not in mentality. These contrasting character traits really cause these two characters to shine, and brings their development towards each other stronger than one may epect. It's handled very carefully in this movie, and you can tell not only the writers were having fun with these characters, but were also putting a real effort into expanding Aladdin's character.

I dunno about most people, but I just really felt the relationship between the two was pretty heartwarming and down-to-earth (but not necessarily realistic). This makes the movie for me, and is the main reason why I really enjoyed watching Aladdin and the King of Thieves.

Action - Now while this would usually be addressed in the Story section, I feel like I should make an exclusive section for this cause I really liked the action sequences in this movie. While this part of the review will be short cause one can only go so far when praising an action scene with, "It's awesome!" or "It's amazing!" I will say that the whole Plot itself is paced by action-sequence-after-action-sequence. Basically what I'm saying is that what "hilarious" hijinks did for The Return of Jafar as a device to move the plot along, action sequences did for Aladdin and the King of Thieves, and I think this works really well as it shows that the movie is making an attempt to reach out to various audiences. In all honesty, I think it works effectively, as every action sequence holds weight to it in some form or another; whether it's related to the story or the characters in it, all of the sequences in this movie has a very clear meaning and path. This makes it far more streamlined than The Return of Jafar and most Disney sequels out there, telling a very linear and to-the-point story that makes it clear to the audience that it means business.

Now I'm not saying that all movies should be linear and "to-the-point," but with movies with simple designed settings and characters like Aladdin it works the best that way than scattering the plot all over the place like they did with The Return of Jafar.

Music - The music in this is really good! Really memorable stuff, which was surprising to me. While not on par with Aladdin or pretty much any other Renaissance classic, it's still better than Hercules.

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While it isn't particularly amazingly written, these tracks are catchy as hell, and stick with you, which is more than can what be said with every movie I've been watching so far except for maybe There Will be Life from Bambi II.

Animation - The animation in this movie is great, and is the very first DisneyToon Studios movie that has them actually caring about the quality of the animation. While not as good as later efforts - and there are plenty of animation errors and janky animations throughout the movie - the actual expressions and animations of all of the characters are accurate to what you'd see in Aladdin. None of the character designs have changed, which is different from the previous film The Return of Jafar where all of the characters have been altered for the television series that followed (which isn't really enough to complain about, but whatever). All of the original characters like Cassim, Sa'luk, and various other minor characters stay on model to Aladdin tradition without resorting to rehashing concepts.

Humor - Genie is hilarious in this, and might just be the funniest incarnation of him yet. While he's really all over the place, he never bores the viewers, and all of his jokes are genuinely funny in how off-beat the references are. Just looking at the list of references his character covers on wikipedia is ridiculous.
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  • Williams' many impersonations included a live-action character he portrayed: The title character of the 1993 comedy film Mrs. Doubtfire.
  • At the very end of the credits, the Genie appears in front of the black screen and says, "Game Over, man! Game Over!" This is a spoof of an identical line by the character Private William Hudson in the movie Aliens.
  • The "security system" set up by the Genie has the classic Cylon "sweep eye" found in Battlestar Galactica.
  • During the first song, the Genie turns into Rocky.
  • Ali Baba and the forty thieves are mentioned at the beginning of the song Friend Like Me from the first Aladdin movie.
  • During the song "Father and Son", Genie references The Jetsons.
  • Various references included Pocahontas, Pumbaa from The Lion King, Rocky Balboa, ED-209 from RoboCop, and Mickey Mouse from Steamboat Willie, all of which Genie turned into or made with magic.
  • Genie transforms into a parody of Forrest Gump during the wedding fight scene and says "Mama always said, 'Magic is magic does.'"
    Genie also turns into various things in the film: a ninja, an old man, a baby, Tinker Bell, a construction worker, Rainman, Elvis Presley, the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland, Copernicus, Sagittarius, Castor and Pollux, Walter Cronkite, Albert Einstein, The Godfather, Shaquille O'Neal, Mickey Mouse's dog Pluto, a fat farmer, a wrestler, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Donald Duck, Baloo the Bear, Ozzie Nelson, Woody Allen, and simultaneously, the Marx Brothers Bob Hope and Bing Crosby.
  • There is a scene where he turns Jasmine's wedding dresses into that of Cinderella's and Snow White's. He also contemplates what she would look like as Ariel, Minnie Mouse, and Jessica Rabbit. During these scenes, Bambi and Roger Rabbit make brief appearances.
I've been thinking about why Genie is allowed to exist with all of these popculture references...

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Agrabah takes place 10,000 years into the future in an alternate reality where the world itself has been destroyed by a super volcano, and humanity itself has dwindled down to small numbers. The world has be mutated by powerful science from the past over thousands of years, emulating what people call "magic." Civilizations from across the world are emulated carbon copies of past civilizations, with modern and misplaced elements scattered across the place hence why Roman civilization is able to live amongst Mesopotamian civilization, and why the Hercules universe is the same as the Aladdin universe, and why pop culture references exist at all. Genie himself is a relic of our time, representing all of the knowledge of past history, and 10,000 years ago he was sealed into a lamp so his powers can never be used again as his powers were deemed dangerous. Genies themselves are all able to bend reality to their very will, making their sealing in a lamp important in keeping their power restricted to a human master.

Genie is potentially able to destroy the universe itself. Genie has displayed that he's associated with science (in an Einstein parody), so most likely his powers are also related to science, but one that is higher from our own understanding of the universe. Genie is a being who exists in dimensions outside of the 3rd dimension, making his appearance appear random and crazy to the human eye when - in fact - it's very natural to him and other genie. To us, we just think it's a comic relief character, but he's - in fact - a reality bending alien god, like all other genie. Aladdin made a huge mistake, however, when he freed him as this gives Genie free reign over his chaos. One day, the Aladdin universe will be destroyed, because of Genie's tampering with the laws of physics and reality itself. He'll be the only one left, laughing like it was all some type of joke, and just recreate the universe in his own image just because he thinks it's funny.

There is an infinite amount of possible universes. This means that in one universe, there's is a world just like Aladdin, with Genie. This also means there's an infinite amount of possible universes where Genie exists, and the very fact that Genie is able to travel amongst space-time itself means that ONE DAY GENIE COULD BE REAL. TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE APOCALYPSE, 2012! PACK YO THINGS, BUY CANNED FOODS, BUT LOTS AND LOTS OF BOTTLED WATER CAUSE THE WORLD WILL END BECAUSE OF GENIE SOMEDAY!


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Conclusion:

I have no problems with this movie. I guess the only real problem is, while everything in the movie is well-made and good, it's still not really as good as a good portion of Disney films. One will not look back at Aladdin and the King of Thieves and think of it as a masterpiece like some people do with Aladdin, but I will say that - without a doubt - Aladdin and the King of Thieves is the best of the Disney sequels and is worth watching if you're a fan of the original Aladdin, whether it's for the humor, good action, or great characters.

7/10

Up next: The Fox and the Hound 2
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I always really liked the Aladdin sequels. I always loved the Aladdin series, too. Which is bizarre because I was never crazy about Aladdin (my least favorite of Musker's and Clements' films). :lol: It's only too bad they didn't come along at a different time when the sequels were getting slightly better animation.
Big One wrote: Music - The music in this is really good! Really memorable stuff, which was surprising to me. While on par with Aladdin or pretty much every other Renaissance classic, it's still better than Hercules.
Um, no. :lol: "Out of Thin Air" is the best of the bunch, and that one's pretty dull.

I think the only thing weird about King of Thieves is that it seems to have such a mixed up mythology (further screwed up by the series). What with the whole Ali-Baba "Open Sesame" thing and then an Oracle. Still, the series has Welsh and Native American mythology thrown in (among other things). Strange.

I was thinking today that the only sequels I haven't seen are TF&TH2, TENG2 and 101 Dalmatians 2: Patch's London Adventure. I just assumed Disney channel would play them eventually. Guess they're too bad for even the tween fare. :lol:
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Um, no. :lol: "Out of Thin Air" is the best of the bunch, and that one's pretty dull.
Whatever you say, but I think Hercules has easily the worst of Disney Renaissance music. It's not the gospel genre, either, it's just really awfully sung by the actors and then there's comically bad songs like this:
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It's mainly the lyrics that are really bad, though:

WHO PUT THE GLAD IN GLADIATOR?

How does this make sense?!

Though I guess if you're dedicated to Alan Menken then Hercules would be a-okay in your book.

Edit: Actually, I just noticed I made a typo. I mean "not on par"
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Okay, I could get very bitter, but I shall try to refrain. Maybe I was just a discerning child, I don't know. But here we go...

When the original Aladdin came out, I absolutely loved it, comparatively more than Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King, which I also really liked. When we got the VHS, I watched it almost none stop for a good few months.

Then the TV series premiered on UK TV.

Then the DTV sequels came out.

All I can say is that from that point, I stopped liking Aladdin for a good while. :headshake: Thank goodness I overcame the painful memories of the cash-ins by my teens so that Aladdin became a top favourite of mine again. :D
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I thought <i>Hercules</i> had great music. I also like "Forget About Love" from <i>Return of Jafar.</i>

An aside about RoJ: This was the first major direct-to-video sequel and I was very excited about it. Still, my parents insisted that I rent it before buying it, just to make sure I liked it as much as I was sure I would. Well, I didn't like it. And, to make sure I never felt the need to see it again, I re-watched the rented copy multiple times before returning it. (I was really, really weird when I was 11.) To this day, I still can't remember what happened in it.
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Is it just me, or are the "3" sequels (ie: TLM: AB, AatKoT and C3: ATIT) always better than the previous sequels?
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That Wikipedia listing left out Genie's Don King appearance. To be far, it's quite quick, so it may be easy to miss.
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Just putting this out there: I just saw The Fox and the Hound 2...this is going to be my biggest review yet as the problems I need to address in this movie encompass something that is much worse than The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea. It might take a while, but it will be done, even if I do some reviews of other movies before it's finished. I dunno if I'll have the dedication to complete it in one or two sittings. Whether or not it'll just just as "offensive" as that review, remains to be seen. ;) I don't think it should be cause the offensive aspect is already featured in the movie itself.
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