Victurtle wrote:I don't want to go all Marky on everyone, but doesn't the DVD colors look better? The gleam/brightness in the dinosaurs eyes are lost, making it less powerful an image. And the blue things in the bottom screen appear more bland in HD.
Since that question is looking for an opinion, then no, the DVD doesn't look better then the Blu-Ray. The new colors are far more natural.
Mr. Yagoobian wrote: it's a reason to visit the Museum all on its own, which would certainly be devalued if there were hundreds of thousands of copies of it available for home use.
Yeah, that would be my reason to visit it. Still, I have a feeling they showed us the most interesting stuff anyways. I was disappointed only because the early information was incorrect. What we got was fine though.
miniroll32 wrote:gardener14 wrote:I just learned of Deems Taylor being overdubbed with another voice. I watched the comparrison posted above, and I definitely remember, and now miss, Deems Taylor's distinctive voice. Does anyone know, or could someone explain, why he was replaced?
The original nitrate film that stored these audio sections have deteriorated beyond repair.
To further clarify, it's only the NEW sections added to the DVD release that were deteriorated. The majority of the audio during the interstitials is just fine. His voice can still be heard at the beginning of
Fantasia 2000.
geniuswalt wrote:I ask to those of you lucky enough to have a home video copy with the original Deems Taylor voice. What did they do back then for those portions of dialogue no longer available? Did they dub only those?
Nothing, it was a different cut that didn't have the extended dialog (so it was 100% Deems Taylor's voice). I've posted this before but see for yourself what I'm talking about:
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You can see, the general release version that was included on the VHS had shorted intersitials (my preferred ones) that left some mystery as to what you were going to watch. Unfortunately, it also cut out the intermission and placed the title card from the intermission at the beginning of the movie and the footage of the orchestra leaving at the end, while using the footage of the orchestra tuning up in place of Deems Taylor. You have to take the good with the bad I guess. Anyways, hope that helps clear up whatever confusion there was.
dvdjunkie wrote:I would like to ask how many of you so-called critics about color in the Disney DVD's and Blu-rays, did you ever see the original movie in a movie theater. If so, then you will have some real comparisons.
lol There has maybe been one person complaining about the colors on this release and even then it's not that serious a complaint.
dvdjunkie wrote:"Beauty and the Beast" for instance, when shown in the movie theater the first time around, not the re-release or re-re-release, the colors were just like they are on the Blu-ray version that was just released.
I actually saw that one in theaters and no, the Blu-Ray does not represent what was shown in theaters. According to Don Hahn, what was shown in theaters was not the original intent and so they changed them. So you're statement is wrong and we already killed one thread with this color "debate".
dvdjunkie wrote:"Fantasia" was a beautiful movie to see in the theater with the original six-track magnetic stereo track (a first of its kind) and all the colors that most of you are complaining about were there in the original movie print, not in the original DVD release, and the new 4-Disc set of Blu-ray/DVD has finally restored the colors to their original. Of course, there is still the stupid censorship thing, but I won't get into that. It is the choice Disney made and we have to live with it.
I never saw the original release, so I can't say whether it was a beautiful movie when seen in theaters but I can say it is now on Blu-Ray. I also can't say whether these are the original colors seen in theaters but they are probably the closest representations of the intended colors made from research involving filmmakers notes and the original cells/artwork. The one thing that was probably better in theaters was the soundtrack.
MichaeLeah wrote:Could someone explain to me how and where the Clair de lune segment is located on this set? Getting that particular segment is a great part of the motivation for me to double dip on these features.
Escapay's right, it's in the Virtual Vault. It's not restored, not HD, and not even fullscreen.
Anyways, since I really wanted to see the Fantasia Legacy extras before I returned the Blu-Ray, I'm happy (sarcasm) to report that after only 4 days and 15 hours of my life, I was able to get through all 5 hours of the virtual vault supplements (except the “Melody” and “Toot, Whistle, Plunk, Boom" shorts, since I've already seen them). I admit, I cheated and watched "Clair De Lune”, “The Ride of the Valkyries” story reel, “The Swan of Tuonela” story reel, “Invitation to the Dance” story reel, and “Adventures in a Perambulator on YouTube to save myself a few hours. It was painful but the supplements are REALLY good (I can see why the Fantasia Anthology set is held in such high regard). I probably could've skipped the "Special Effects in
Fantasia" feature, since all that is covered in more detail in The Shultheis Notebook: A Disney Treasure. A lot of these supplements are really interesting and I would love to watch them again, unfortunately, right after the video finishes, it closes it and you would have to reload the whole thing all over again (actually, it froze on a couple of occasions after the videos would close and I would have to shut off my player and reset). You see, my problem isn't with the supplements but with how they're presented. A couple of the the videos (surprisingly both of the 40 some minute docs) started instantly with no wait and played fine all the way through while the majority of the videos (even the 20 second clips) would take up to 3 minutes to fully buffer before they would even start. It's not just the wait times that bothered me but the fact that I had to watch the features in a tiny little screen. I wanted to see the "Pines of Rome" storyboard to film comparison but splitting that little screen in half to do a comparison made the whole thing impossible to make out what was going on. The little screen was one of the other reasons (besides saving time) that I watched the deleted sequences on YouTube. They needed to be seen in fullscreen. I still would love for "Clair De Lune” to get the Lowry treatment and be presented in HD. Actually, I really would've loved to see the “Piano Concerto No. 2” rat sequence and "The Firebird Suite” original ending in HD (completed animation from a CAPS source on that tiny little screen just seems like a waste).
If they re-released this set with Deems Taylor's surviving elements intact and all the supplements on disc, I'll be there.
