Beauty And The Beast: Diamond Edition Discussion Oct. 5th!

[Kyle]

You remember what the movie looked in theaters nineteen years ago? That's some photographic memory you have there. Memory can be faulty, so that's not to be trusted. All we can go by were the VHS and Laserdisc editions, and I wouldn't trust those either. That doesn't mean the dvd was right, obviously.

Yes I do. And if you don't believe me;

We do know that the screenshots in the making of books, the collectors cards in the cinema's, the official screens of the promotional material, EVERYTHING that we still have today from when the film came out looked EXACTLY like the film in theatres. Because no one ever noticed the slightest difference, including myself. If there would be the tiniest difference in colors, I would have noticed it at that time. I was watching and studying all the material every day and going to the film in the cinema was a big happening.

So the film looked exactly like all the material. And everything I still have today (about 20 sources) still all looks the same. Or are you saying that every single piece has faded in the exact same way?

Let's get real.
People may like the version, but it's different, no question about it.

My biggest problem is that it looks cheaper and more "sequel like".

And that's that, and there is no discussion possible about this subject.

While you might be right, one thing to keep in mind is that print media is often inaccurate anyway. its very hard to accurately reproduce color, especially in the 90s, those things were often off. unintentionally.

[ajmrowland]

Which is why the best thing we have to go off of is the footage shown in the PATF trailer, which is taken from the digital files.

I think it comes down to making both versions available. Blu-ray can hold them both, certainly.

[Disney Duster]

Yes but remember Marky said that it would be weird if they all faded the same way. It woud also be weird if they all looked the same if you say printing did not make the colors accurate. If they all look the same, as Marky says they do, wouldn't that indicate they were all right?

[Goliath]

I made this post before, and I saw it appearing on the forum, but for some weird, unknown reason it's completely GONE now. So here we go again:

You remember what the movie looked in theaters nineteen years ago? That's some photographic memory you have there. Memory can be faulty, so that's not to be trusted.

No, wise guy, no need to act so smirky. Maybe you made someone laugh with your denigrating comment. Then your life mission was accomplished.

There are videos that show original version and the PE dvd version side-by-side. They have been posted here. And even if you want to question whether those are the 'real' colors, you'll have to admit that the saturday morning tv show colors on the PE dvd *can't* be the theatrical colors. It just *can't*. Disney doesn't animate theatrical films like they're tv shows.

[Kyle]

Yes but remember Marky said that it would be weird if they all faded the same way. It woud also be weird if they all looked the same if you say printing did not make the colors accurate. If they all look the same, as Marky says they do, wouldn't that indicate they were all right?

I never mentioned fading or other discoloration due to age. Im talking about them being off straight off the printers.

[Disney Duster]

Yes, and if different images of this film from when it first came out, printed from different printers, still all look alike, and not like the DVD colors at all, it still indicates those images are more correct.

[yukitora]

Anyone got screenshots from the PatF BD?

[The_Iceflash]

There are videos that show original version and the PE dvd version side-by-side.

By original version are we talking VHS and LD screencaps? Just checking to see where we're at with this.

[ajmrowland]

yes. those specific videos are comparing the LD/VHS to DVD.

[KubrickFan]

You remember what the movie looked in theaters nineteen years ago? That's some photographic memory you have there. Memory can be faulty, so that's not to be trusted. All we can go by were the VHS and Laserdisc editions, and I wouldn't trust those either. That doesn't mean the dvd was right, obviously.

Yes I do. And if you don't believe me;

We do know that the screenshots in the making of books, the collectors cards in the cinema's, the official screens of the promotional material, EVERYTHING that we still have today from when the film came out looked EXACTLY like the film in theatres. Because no one ever noticed the slightest difference, including myself. If there would be the tiniest difference in colors, I would have noticed it at that time. I was watching and studying all the material every day and going to the film in the cinema was a big happening.

So the film looked exactly like all the material. And everything I still have today (about 20 sources) still all looks the same. Or are you saying that every single piece has faded in the exact same way?

Let's get real.
People may like the version, but it's different, no question about it.

My biggest problem is that it looks cheaper and more "sequel like".

And that's that, and there is no discussion possible about this subject.

Well, that's easy. You just state some random facts, without any proof and say there can't be any discussion? Promotional stills and whatnot are simply no comparison to the real film. Look at promotional stills made on a live action set. They often look different to the film. Does that mean those movies are 'altered' too?

I made this post before, and I saw it appearing on the forum, but for some weird, unknown reason it's completely GONE now. So here we go again:

You remember what the movie looked in theaters nineteen years ago? That's some photographic memory you have there. Memory can be faulty, so that's not to be trusted.

No, wise guy, no need to act so smirky. Maybe you made someone laugh with your denigrating comment. Then your life mission was accomplished.

There are videos that show original version and the PE dvd version side-by-side. They have been posted here. And even if you want to question whether those are the 'real' colors, you'll have to admit that the saturday morning tv show colors on the PE dvd *can't* be the theatrical colors. It just *can't*. Disney doesn't animate theatrical films like they're tv shows.

No, there are videos showing the dvd (I already said that wasn't the correct version countless times) compared to the Laserdisc, or even worse, the VHS. Who's to say those were right? They were released earlier, but were they how the directors wanted them to look? The answer is that you'll never know for sure, so stop comparing.
It's funny, most of the animation is bashed pretty bad in some threads. You don't think the rushed schedule could possibly be related to the fact that it doesn't look as good as other Classics?
And yes, making complete strangers laugh on the internet is my life mission. I guess I can die happily now .

[ajmrowland]

Toy Story was released on VHS, LD, and those colors weren't drastically changed on the DVD and on Blu-ray. Not nearly so much as BatB. So we can rule difference of format out.


EDIT: I dont know why, but Im often getting an "Internal Server Error" message when I use this site.

[tcclives23]

Toy Story was released on VHS, LD, and those colors weren't drastically changed on the DVD and on Blu-ray. Not nearly so much as BatB. So we can rule difference of format out.


EDIT: I dont know why, but Im often getting an "Internal Server Error" message when I use this site.

Maybe it's because the server can't take much more of this age-old discussion...

[Coolmanio]

And the Beauty and the Beast section has been updated:

http://disneydvd.disney.go.com/beauty-a ... beast.html

Looks like the release date for BOTH DVD and Blu-Ray is Nov. 23, which is later than expected, and later than we all wanted.

[Scarred4life]

EDIT: I dont know why, but Im often getting an "Internal Server Error" message when I use this site.

So I'm not the only one. This happens to me all the time. I just wait five minutes and then it usually works.

[jpanimation]

Yeah, I get the server problems too. Just wait it out.

As for the Nov. 23rd release date, what does this mean for Fantasia? It only fuels the rumors that its been delayed and will be the new Spring 2011 Diamond release. If we're lucky, the Fantasias have been moved up.

[SWillie!]

Alright Disney. You want to play that game, huh? Well, TWO CAN PLAY AT THAT GAME DISNEY.

Oh wait. No they can't. You just do whatever the heck you feel like with no regards to any promises you've made in the past, and I'll sit back and greedily wait until BatB is released in 2015 and Fantasia finally sees daylight for it's 200th anniversary.

Just keeeeeeep pushin' em back. I'll wait.

[ajmrowland]

hhhhhmmmmmm...........

I guess Fantasia has a chance of being the October release. If it were to tie in with Sorcerer's Apprentice, that film wouldn't have a theatrical run longer than average.

And BatB would let them emphasize Ta-*shot*

[KubrickFan]

Toy Story was released on VHS, LD, and those colors weren't drastically changed on the DVD and on Blu-ray. Not nearly so much as BatB. So we can rule difference of format out.

No, we can't. Those are two completely different movies, so you can't compare them.

[ajmrowland]

I was talking about comparing the formats, buddy! Toy Story was just an example of format difference.

[KubrickFan]

I was talking about comparing the formats, buddy! Toy Story was just an example of format difference.

Yes, and I've already stated that even comparing two different formats shouldn't be done, since you don't know for sure that the older one is correct.